Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I remember back when he blasted us, writers and fans were saying Bargs was better than Gallo. Of course, now he's a Knick, that's being erased from history. Out of interest lets compare their basic stats (I know that doesn't tell the whole story and Gallo has more heart than Bargs).

Bargnani:

06-07 25mins 11.6pts 42.7FG% 37.3 3pt 3.9rebs
07-08 24mins 10.2pts 38.6FG% 34.5 3pt 3.7rebs
08-09 31mins 15.4pts 45.0FG% 40.9 3pt 5.3rebs
09-10 35mins 17.2pts 47.0FG% 37.2 3pt 6.2rebs
10-11 35mins 21.4pts 44.8FG% 34.5 3pt 5.2rebs
11-12 33mins 19.5pts 43.2FG% 29.6 3pt 5.5rebs
12-13 28mins 12.7pts 39.9FG% 30.9 3pt 3.7rebs

Gallo:
08-09 15mins 06.1pts 44.8FG% 44.4 3pt 2.0rebs
09-10 34mins 15.1pts 42.3FG% 38.1 3pt 4.9rebs
10-11 35mins 15.9pts 41.5FG% 34.7 3pt 4.8rebs
11-12 31mins 14.6pts 41.2FG% 32.8 3pt 4.7rebs
12-13 32mins 16.2pts 41.8FG% 37.3 3pt 5.2rebs

You know there's a huge difference between 5 rbs/game as an SF and a PF/C, right? You're gonna be outrebounded by at least four per game at the position if you're getting 5 a game from your PF/C. The assist:TO ratio and ability to get to the line favor Gallo significantly too.

believe me, I'm not a fan of Bargs, I don't know much about him and I have low expectations for the trade. His rebounding is AWFUL. But I do think people have been a bit unfair to him- there has been some very selective use of stats (which, to be fair, you've been guilty of in some posts). People have blasted him for FG% and his points per game, but Gallo seems to get a free pass by the same people. Also, all this "lets pick his worst season and pretend he's always been like that" by some writers has been annoying me.

We need him to have a miraculous turnaround year- it's happened once or twice when we've traded for him. It's unlikely, but it would be nice!

Well FG% is a bad stat to use. Ever since the invention of the 3 point and FT lines, it's become outdated. I've been guilty of using well validated stats but not of doing anything you mentioned.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I remember back when he blasted us, writers and fans were saying Bargs was better than Gallo. Of course, now he's a Knick, that's being erased from history. Out of interest lets compare their basic stats (I know that doesn't tell the whole story and Gallo has more heart than Bargs).

Bargnani:

06-07 25mins 11.6pts 42.7FG% 37.3 3pt 3.9rebs
07-08 24mins 10.2pts 38.6FG% 34.5 3pt 3.7rebs
08-09 31mins 15.4pts 45.0FG% 40.9 3pt 5.3rebs
09-10 35mins 17.2pts 47.0FG% 37.2 3pt 6.2rebs
10-11 35mins 21.4pts 44.8FG% 34.5 3pt 5.2rebs
11-12 33mins 19.5pts 43.2FG% 29.6 3pt 5.5rebs
12-13 28mins 12.7pts 39.9FG% 30.9 3pt 3.7rebs

Gallo:
08-09 15mins 06.1pts 44.8FG% 44.4 3pt 2.0rebs
09-10 34mins 15.1pts 42.3FG% 38.1 3pt 4.9rebs
10-11 35mins 15.9pts 41.5FG% 34.7 3pt 4.8rebs
11-12 31mins 14.6pts 41.2FG% 32.8 3pt 4.7rebs
12-13 32mins 16.2pts 41.8FG% 37.3 3pt 5.2rebs

You know there's a huge difference between 5 rbs/game as an SF and a PF/C, right? You're gonna be outrebounded by at least four per game at the position if you're getting 5 a game from your PF/C. The assist:TO ratio and ability to get to the line favor Gallo significantly too.

believe me, I'm not a fan of Bargs, I don't know much about him and I have low expectations for the trade. His rebounding is AWFUL. But I do think people have been a bit unfair to him- there has been some very selective use of stats (which, to be fair, you've been guilty of in some posts). People have blasted him for FG% and his points per game, but Gallo seems to get a free pass by the same people. Also, all this "lets pick his worst season and pretend he's always been like that" by some writers has been annoying me.

We need him to have a miraculous turnaround year- it's happened once or twice when we've traded for him. It's unlikely, but it would be nice!

Well FG% is a bad stat to use. Ever since the invention of the 3 point and FT lines, it's become outdated. I've been guilty of using well validated stats but not of doing anything you mentioned.

You might want to edit your post about Bargs in the Scola thread that uses FG% instead of TS%.

you can't really use TS% with scola because he never takes 3-point shots. that said, he is a superior rebounder to bargnani and a superior passer/ball sharer to bargnani. both get to the line around the same amount. free throws are a variable in TS%.

when a mediocre scorer like bargnani is discussed you basically see a FG% of around 42-44% and you simply add ten percentage points to his FG% to predict what his TS% will be. and yes, bargnani's TS% is in fact almost exactly that.

bargnani 43.7FG% and 53.5%TS he shoots the 3 no better than gallinari and gets to the line less

carmelo 45.6FG% and 54.5TS% he is not good at 3-pointers but makes up for it by getting to the line, which you would assume because of his astronomical usage rate and his tendency to not pass the ball.

danilo 41.9FG% and 57.6TS% note the very large gap between FG% and TS% here: it tells us that he hits the 3 adequately and gets to the line a bunch for the amount of time he has the ball. he is also a markedly better ball sharer/passer than the other two. he also is a far more eager defender than the other two, underrated.

If amare can get a mid range shot he'll have lots chances.

Front line ON PAPER of AMare, Melo and Barg's is pretty potent.

Tyson
Bargs
Amare
Melo
Felton

Is not a bad line up for short burst.

Thats a big line up and they can run pretty good. Thats providing Amare's knee is good and the Thera-Flu kicks in.

Amare and Tyson can just clean up the boards. Amare as a role player is a problem for teams. Amare as 1st option is a problem for us.

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Expectation that he can spread the floor and that has to help Amare also.

If amare can get a mid range shot he'll have lots chances.

Front line ON PAPER of AMare, Melo and Barg's is pretty potent.

Tyson
Bargs
Amare
Melo
Felton

Is not a bad line up for short burst.

Thats a big line up and they can run pretty good. Thats providing Amare's knee is good and the Thera-Flu kicks in.

Amare and Tyson can just clean up the boards. Amare as a role player is a problem for teams. Amare as 1st option is a problem for us.

Who's gonna guard the sg ?

zone

misterearl wrote:Expectations for Andrea Bargnani have nothing to do with statistics.

Let's look at the most essential ingredient for any team, especially our beloved Knicks, continuity.

The first expectation is that Bargnani follow the example of Pablo Prigioni, embrace the New York State of mind. Ride The Subway. Walk the streets. Talk to the fans.

Second, spend some off court time with the core men. Have lunch with Carmelo. Take in a gallery opening with Tyson. Sit in the stands at The Rucker and kick it with Shump.

Have Clyde introduce you to Bill Bradley. listen carefully.

Return Mike Woodsons call and go see Motown the Musical on Broadway.

Talk to Earl Monroe.

Visit the Ted Young Youth Center in Greenbburgh and get to know a few volunteer counselors. The Answer Man worked there as a student during summers home from college. It is a special place that has nourished thousands of Westchester County children.

Playing basketball is the easy part.

Welcome to New York.

champagne wishes and caviar dreams

franco12 wrote:I think Bargs won't get a whole lot of playing time. I think we'll be lucky if he produces 10/4 on the season.

i can see that too, given woody's track record.

misterearl wrote:Expectations for Andrea Bargnani have nothing to do with statistics.

Let's look at the most essential ingredient for any team, especially our beloved Knicks, continuity.

The first expectation is that Bargnani follow the example of Pablo Prigioni, embrace the New York State of mind. Ride The Subway. Walk the streets. Talk to the fans.

Second, spend some off court time with the core men. Have lunch with Carmelo. Take in a gallery opening with Tyson. Sit in the stands at The Rucker and kick it with Shump.

Have Clyde introduce you to Bill Bradley. listen carefully.

Return Mike Woodsons call and go see Motown the Musical on Broadway.

Talk to Earl Monroe.

Visit the Ted Young Youth Center in Greenbburgh and get to know a few volunteer counselors. The Answer Man worked there as a student during summers home from college. It is a special place that has nourished thousands of Westchester County children.

Playing basketball is the easy part.

Welcome to New York.

wow you live in a beautiful fairy tale