y2zipper wrote:According to Zwerling, the team knew about the injury during the playoffs.

Doesn't really matter. Can't spend the money elsewhere and it doesn't affect 2015...

This is the same stupid philosophy that keeps the Knicks from winning a title u realize that right. Who cares about 2016 draft picks thats 3 years from now, Who cares about his 3rd and 4th year we couldnt spend money in the first 2. Keep robbing the future for minimal gain is stupid. If your going to rob future assets then make sure u can win

Jmpasq wrote:

y2zipper wrote:According to Zwerling, the team knew about the injury during the playoffs.

Doesn't really matter. Can't spend the money elsewhere and it doesn't affect 2015...

This is the same stupid philosophy that keeps the Knicks from winning a title u realize that right. Who cares about 2016 draft picks thats 3 years from now, Who cares about his 3rd and 4th year we couldnt spend money in the first 2. Keep robbing the future for minimal gain is stupid. If your going to rob future assets then make sure u can win

umm What?

He had his injury AND his contract. Either way he was a knick.

So basically the contract was like a 3 year extension.

This injury at his age should not be a big deal. Isola like many make many things into big deals to keep readership up. Anger sells.

Players have to pass physicals when they sign new contracts. If nobody new prior they did when he did his physical.

What we don't know is if the minister of propaganda at MSG is telling the truth about who knew and when.

Either way, if JR knew, he had a contract for the next season.

Im worried more about his brain ( or lack of) than his knee!

Nalod wrote:ONe more time guys, JR had a contract for this year for 2.8mm.

He had his injury AND his contract. Either way he was a knick.

So basically the contract was like a 3 year extension.

This injury at his age should not be a big deal. Isola like many make many things into big deals to keep readership up. Anger sells.

Players have to pass physicals when they sign new contracts. If nobody new prior they did when he did his physical.

What we don't know is if the minister of propaganda at MSG is telling the truth about who knew and when.

Either way, if JR knew, he had a contract for the next season.

Im worried more about his brain ( or lack of) than his knee!

I don't think people here care to much about what Isola said this Knicks giving a contract to an injured player. The Knicks have been down this road with Amare, Houston and to some degree Mcdyess. This Knicks have been bitten in the *** by underestimating injuries. My gut feeling says this going to be a lingering injury and one that will cost the Knicks an entire year from Smith.

I'd like to add Raja Bell he can help fill Smith's role.

For $5m, bonehead aside, where else can you get a guy that can pour in 20-30 points any given night?

And don't say Chris Copeland...Dude's going to be locked up in Vogel's doghouse soon, when he gets torched for the eleventeenth time!

ChuckBuck wrote:Dude's realize we couldn't spend that $5m we gave to JR anywhere else right?

For $5m, bonehead aside, where else can you get a guy that can pour in 20-30 points any given night?

And don't say Chris Copeland...Dude's going to be locked up in Vogel's doghouse soon, when he gets torched for the eleventeenth time!

Yeah man, I just said they probably had to bring JR back, all considered. No argument...Just looking for quality insurance now that we're close to really doing something here.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:ONe more time guys, JR had a contract for this year for 2.8mm.

He had his injury AND his contract. Either way he was a knick.

So basically the contract was like a 3 year extension.

This injury at his age should not be a big deal. Isola like many make many things into big deals to keep readership up. Anger sells.

Players have to pass physicals when they sign new contracts. If nobody new prior they did when he did his physical.

What we don't know is if the minister of propaganda at MSG is telling the truth about who knew and when.

Either way, if JR knew, he had a contract for the next season.

Im worried more about his brain ( or lack of) than his knee!

I said it a page back and I will say it again. We (me and you Nalod-pretty sure it was you) had a short dialogue about this during the playoffs. I mentioned the injury report and you thought it might be his people putting it out that out there to so he wouldn't look bad. You seemed to prefer the "he was out partying" theme.

I don't trust MSG information and I don't start rumors so in the logical sense I react based on info at hand.

JR was doing just fine until he tried to kill Jet with his elbow. Then he returned and looked bad.

For all we know he hurt his knee riding his bike on syrip in the middle of the nite. Its nobodys biz either way but if knicks want to wait to announce his surgery "when ever" its their business.

Does JR have a history of partying? I think so.

IM not pointing fingers or laying "blame". Dude's got a very reasonable contract and its discounted because of his erratic nature.

I am amused by the drama that follows him so we can talk about. If he was hurt in playoffs, so beit. If he was hurt and out partying, whose to say it hurt or helped.

GustavBahler wrote:

Papabear wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Knicks are claiming that they knew this during contract discussions and that it wasn't an issue.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356926585254838273

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https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356932515983925250

Isola is on the money

Damned good questions, unfortunately. Aw crap, here we go again.

not for me.

JR signed for $2.8M last year and it was obviously waaaaaayyyyyy below market value, this is the Knicks doing right by the player. His $5.5M may still be undervalued.

That's nice and all Martin but we are talking about the same guy who imploded in two playoffs. We got more than we paid for during the regular season and a lot less when it mattered in the playoffs. I give him all the credit for his regular season success but not to the point where its in return for a bum knee and a 4 year contract. Its a pattern. I fell for it but at some point you want to cut bait.

Papabear Says

Stop being spoiled. We haven't won anything in 13 years and JR Played a big part in bringing up back to respectability again.

There are limits to my gratitude. I give JR all the credit in the world helping us win last year, and I never passed up an opportunity to do so. But after another putrid performance in the playoffs, no, I don't believe he should be rewarded with a 4 year deal. If anyone is being spoiled in all this its JR.

Does it matter if he had an opt out and could have stayed anyway with the knee?

Does it matter for all practical purpose's the new contract in effect keeps him three more years then his one year left contract?

6th man of the year and we make promises to player to take care of them. If you break it, you don't get players to "come for less".

GustavBahler wrote:As for JR's knee injury, you are talking about a player whose game is predicated in large part on his explosiveness. How much will it rob him of that? To what extent? We don't know for sure but it sure as &$&*$%^* won't help him, especially in his late 20s. 4 years was too long. If they could have paid him more per year with less years I would have been for it. Where were all those big offers JR was supposed to get around the league? Did he get any?

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Papabear wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Knicks are claiming that they knew this during contract discussions and that it wasn't an issue.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356926585254838273

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356932515983925250

Isola is on the money

Damned good questions, unfortunately. Aw crap, here we go again.

not for me.

JR signed for $2.8M last year and it was obviously waaaaaayyyyyy below market value, this is the Knicks doing right by the player. His $5.5M may still be undervalued.

That's nice and all Martin but we are talking about the same guy who imploded in two playoffs. We got more than we paid for during the regular season and a lot less when it mattered in the playoffs. I give him all the credit for his regular season success but not to the point where its in return for a bum knee and a 4 year contract. Its a pattern. I fell for it but at some point you want to cut bait.

Papabear Says

Stop being spoiled. We haven't won anything in 13 years and JR Played a big part in bringing up back to respectability again.

There are limits to my gratitude. I give JR all the credit in the world helping us win last year, and I never passed up an opportunity to do so. But after another putrid performance in the playoffs, no, I don't believe he should be rewarded with a 4 year deal. If anyone is being spoiled in all this its JR.

Does it matter if he had an opt out and could have stayed anyway with the knee?

Does it matter for all practical purpose's the new contract in effect keeps him three more years then his one year left contract?

6th man of the year and we make promises to player to take care of them. If you break it, you don't get players to "come for less".

I wish he had opted out and gone somewhere else but where were these better deals we keep hearing about? I'm all for loyalty, but in this case not in return for a 4 year deal no matter how you slice and dice it.

I'm not saying you are wrong about how you feel or anyone who feels the same way. I just don't want to have to deal with any more surprises from JR.

Ok, your not a fan.

But we don't get to spend that money on other players. CBA allows us to spend more on your own. So it was kind of "JR or nothing" to some extent. "Nothing" being a lower money value to spend.

JR is not your high pedigree kid with NCAA winning resume. He is the feral street player with self esteem problems and low IQ.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Papabear wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Knicks are claiming that they knew this during contract discussions and that it wasn't an issue.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356926585254838273

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356932515983925250

Isola is on the money

Damned good questions, unfortunately. Aw crap, here we go again.

not for me.

JR signed for $2.8M last year and it was obviously waaaaaayyyyyy below market value, this is the Knicks doing right by the player. His $5.5M may still be undervalued.

That's nice and all Martin but we are talking about the same guy who imploded in two playoffs. We got more than we paid for during the regular season and a lot less when it mattered in the playoffs. I give him all the credit for his regular season success but not to the point where its in return for a bum knee and a 4 year contract. Its a pattern. I fell for it but at some point you want to cut bait.

Papabear Says

Stop being spoiled. We haven't won anything in 13 years and JR Played a big part in bringing up back to respectability again.

There are limits to my gratitude. I give JR all the credit in the world helping us win last year, and I never passed up an opportunity to do so. But after another putrid performance in the playoffs, no, I don't believe he should be rewarded with a 4 year deal. If anyone is being spoiled in all this its JR.

Does it matter if he had an opt out and could have stayed anyway with the knee?

Does it matter for all practical purpose's the new contract in effect keeps him three more years then his one year left contract?

6th man of the year and we make promises to player to take care of them. If you break it, you don't get players to "come for less".

I wish he had opted out and gone somewhere else but where were these better deals we keep hearing about? I'm all for loyalty, but in this case not in return for a 4 year deal no matter how you slice and dice it.

I'm not saying you are wrong about how you feel or anyone who feels the same way. I just don't want to have to deal with any more surprises from JR.

Ok, your not a fan.

But we don't get to spend that money on other players. CBA allows us to spend more on your own. So it was kind of "JR or nothing" to some extent. "Nothing" being a lower money value to spend.

JR is not your high pedigree kid with NCAA winning resume. He is the feral street player with self esteem problems and low IQ.

I find great value in solid playoff performances. I would take a player short term who might not be as good as JR but he could be counted on when it mattered, the playoffs. Again, it wasn't the annual salary but the length of the deal, CBA or no CBA.

so, him being a big part of our 54wins doesn't matter? So him damn near carrying us when Melo was injured and slumping doesn't matter. Sure it was a terrible time to go into a slump (for whatever reasons) but, you seem like you are just reaching for something to hate.