EnySpree wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:12.7 last year

19 the year before that and 21 the year before that. Also coming off of an injury and needing a change.

he put up his best scoring as the #1 shot taker. 17ppg with bosh for 1 year. given bosh doesnt shoot as much as anthony, i do not expect him scoring above 14ppg. if he does, thats good. lowered expectations with this guy.

I mean change your name to Debbie Downer...

Bosh's last year in Toronto he averaged 24pts a game...that's amongst the league leaders that year. So he shot enough shots to get those numbers. Carmelo won the scoring championship cuz nobody else on the Knicks can score when you need it except Felton and Smith.

Bargnani averaged 17 with Bosh...and you can say they shuld have clashed cuz they need the ball in the same spots....So he should florish here in NY because Carmelo and Bargs should not step on each others toes.

At the same time yeah 12-14 pts per game is about right....but not cuz Carmelo is going to shoot too much....if anything Carmelo should shoot a lot less, averaging 22-24 points per because you can expect Smith, Shump, Amare, Felton and Bargs to all take their share of shots. They all should be healthy at the start of the season.

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whats so down about what i said? i dont expect this guy to do more than what he has done when he wasnt the primary option. as you noted, there are a number of guys that are going to get shots. 14ppg seems realistic and fine to me. i dont expect great d, dont expect avg rebounding from the guy. thats lowered expectations to me, or perhaps compared to a few other fans.

The same thing with THJ. We need what he brings to the table based on how this team played last year. We have an inside threat in Melo and for him to be successful we need threats on the perimeter. Both Tyson and AB are good PnR/PnP bigs. I like the way the team is developing. Now we need a rebounder/defender and a speedy PG.

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:12.7 last year

in 20mins and as was pointed out extremely injury riddled last 2yrs

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:12.7 last year

in 20mins and as was pointed out extremely injury riddled last 2yrs

20 min? hahaha

28mins. Still well below his career avg and like nix said its about how he compliments Melo and Tyson not about the stats whether he averages 14 or 20

What foreign rookie gets playing time let alone 30+ major mins

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:We traded 3 draft picks for Bargs and asking for 12-14 points. Let me ask u something if u gave Copeland 28 minutes do u think he could score 12-14 points?

Geez, when you put it like that

Way to boil it down - real talk. But Copeland was cheap, willing to take less and wanted to play for the Knicks - so of course we didn't want him. This was just a repeat of last year dude got Linned. while our resident black-hole cries for second scorer both he and his favorite "coach" are too effing dumb to recognize one even if it spits them in the face. So we gave up 3 draft picks to get production that's questionable at best. Go Knicks!!!!

Well I wasn't happy to lose Cope, especially to the damn Pacers However, I don't use that as a means to bash AB. AB is a talented player and IMO he hasn't even reached his full potential. AB on his best day is better than Cope and Novak. Also AB is actually YOUNGER than Cope, so we got younger as a team in the process.

One thing I noticed with players that have a star rep is that they get more respect from opposing defenses. Cope was left open so much that it wasn't even funny. Cope has NEVER been the primary scorer on his team and AB was and put up 20 ppg. I think sometimes we bash a guy for doing things that others haven't been able to accomplish, with the full attention of opposing defenses. IMO on the Knicks AB can have good success as he will help to draw away attention from our other scorers. He's still respected as a good player in this league. Instead of being happy at the prospects of what having another primary scorer brings people can only complain.

jazz74 wrote:well, I thought the same thing. I think we are in a great position. i was going to do another post whether grunwald is good or not. i think he is a smart gm and more times than not he has proved right. did we think that this time last year that we would have won over 50 games and win the division? we had a few breaks, but we had our problems too and won 50+. the wild thing was during the season when i heard bargs was available, i wanted the knicks to get him as he can be a legit second scorer and can flourish in that role. the big question is where will he play if he starts? will he start?