DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:epiphany? there will be no epiphany with a lowlife like dolan.

you will NEVER have a quality GM in here, nor a quality coach, so long as dolan the dip**** owns the team. better men than dolan will not stoop to work for him. he's more interested in propping up his fragile ego than he is in winning. that's the reality, guys.

after watching how walsh was treated, you have no choice but to believe this to be the case... just sad.. from walsh to larry Brown to chaney...

Reality according to you. I for one think he has made some bad decisions but, so have most GMs. Most of the terrible decisions made were made by those he hired. Dolan doesn't have a reputation for interfering with his GMs. The problem has always been his loyalty to the guys he has hired. He kept Checkets and Layden too long and he Kept Isiah way too long. These people were the ones who set the franchise back decades.

Blame the guys for hiring the wrong GM's but, to characterize him in such a negative light or to demonize him without any personal knowledge of him is immature.

fine then i am extremely immature

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:epiphany? there will be no epiphany with a lowlife like dolan.

you will NEVER have a quality GM in here, nor a quality coach, so long as dolan the dip**** owns the team. better men than dolan will not stoop to work for him. he's more interested in propping up his fragile ego than he is in winning. that's the reality, guys.

after watching how walsh was treated, you have no choice but to believe this to be the case... just sad.. from walsh to larry Brown to chaney...

Reality according to you. I for one think he has made some bad decisions but, so have most GMs. Most of the terrible decisions made were made by those he hired. Dolan doesn't have a reputation for interfering with his GMs. The problem has always been his loyalty to the guys he has hired. He kept Checkets and Layden too long and he Kept Isiah way too long. These people were the ones who set the franchise back decades.

Blame the guys for hiring the wrong GM's but, to characterize him in such a negative light or to demonize him without any personal knowledge of him is immature.

fine then i am extremely immature

I meant that "generally", was not trying...did not intent to label you as immature. You could have felt free to rebut my post if you like?

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:epiphany? there will be no epiphany with a lowlife like dolan.

you will NEVER have a quality GM in here, nor a quality coach, so long as dolan the dip**** owns the team. better men than dolan will not stoop to work for him. he's more interested in propping up his fragile ego than he is in winning. that's the reality, guys.

after watching how walsh was treated, you have no choice but to believe this to be the case... just sad.. from walsh to larry Brown to chaney...

Reality according to you. I for one think he has made some bad decisions but, so have most GMs. Most of the terrible decisions made were made by those he hired. Dolan doesn't have a reputation for interfering with his GMs. The problem has always been his loyalty to the guys he has hired. He kept Checkets and Layden too long and he Kept Isiah way too long. These people were the ones who set the franchise back decades.

Blame the guys for hiring the wrong GM's but, to characterize him in such a negative light or to demonize him without any personal knowledge of him is immature.

fine then i am extremely immature

I meant that "generally", was not trying...did not intent to label you as immature. You could have felt free to rebut my post if you like?

the fish rots from the head down. dolan has been the common denominator throughout all of this farce. his franchise was labeled as "not a model of intelligent management" by stern and stern basically ordered dolan to hire walsh and then stay out of the way and let a pro do his job.

he couldn't stay away, and how convenient that walsh's contract was up in 2011, the same year that carmelo wanted to bolt denver.

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:epiphany? there will be no epiphany with a lowlife like dolan.

you will NEVER have a quality GM in here, nor a quality coach, so long as dolan the dip**** owns the team. better men than dolan will not stoop to work for him. he's more interested in propping up his fragile ego than he is in winning. that's the reality, guys.

after watching how walsh was treated, you have no choice but to believe this to be the case... just sad.. from walsh to larry Brown to chaney...

Reality according to you. I for one think he has made some bad decisions but, so have most GMs. Most of the terrible decisions made were made by those he hired. Dolan doesn't have a reputation for interfering with his GMs. The problem has always been his loyalty to the guys he has hired. He kept Checkets and Layden too long and he Kept Isiah way too long. These people were the ones who set the franchise back decades.

Blame the guys for hiring the wrong GM's but, to characterize him in such a negative light or to demonize him without any personal knowledge of him is immature.

fine then i am extremely immature

I meant that "generally", was not trying...did not intent to label you as immature. You could have felt free to rebut my post if you like?

the fish rots from the head down. dolan has been the common denominator throughout all of this farce. his franchise was labeled as "not a model of intelligent management" by stern and stern basically ordered dolan to hire walsh and then stay out of the way and let a pro do his job.

he couldn't stay away, and how convenient that walsh's contract was up in 2011, the same year that carmelo wanted to bolt denver.

so, its DOLANS fault that Walsh would not commit beyond what was his last year. Its Dolans fault that he wanted to KEEP walsh???? And of course the Owner is going to be the common denominator, he's the owner so, that was easy math.

Stern doesn't have to power to order him to hire Walsh, it was a suggestion that Dolan chose to accept. Also, WALSH was the one that started the trade Melo, not Dolan. Waslsh was balking at the price and that is when Dolan supposedly got involved so, your incorrect about Walsh not wanting Melo.

yellowboy90 wrote:So what's the league avg for efficiency and is melo over it. yes or no. The answer is yes so simmer down and stop hating. He has an efficient TS and last time I looked(a couple weeks before season end) an efficient ppp.

what you are saying is nonsense. we paid him max money to produce max results. instead we get verrrry pedestrian numbers, truly borderline for the amount of money he makes and the amount of time he has thew ball in his hands and the number of assists he racks up per game and the number of assists the team achieves when he is on the floor. the league TS% average is about 53%. elite is over 58%. he clocked in at 56% last regular season which is well short of elite. you pay max money you should expect elite numbers.

and that's the regular season. playoffs? don't ask. well, actually do: 49.7%TS just terrible.

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:epiphany? there will be no epiphany with a lowlife like dolan.

you will NEVER have a quality GM in here, nor a quality coach, so long as dolan the dip**** owns the team. better men than dolan will not stoop to work for him. he's more interested in propping up his fragile ego than he is in winning. that's the reality, guys.

after watching how walsh was treated, you have no choice but to believe this to be the case... just sad.. from walsh to larry Brown to chaney...

Reality according to you. I for one think he has made some bad decisions but, so have most GMs. Most of the terrible decisions made were made by those he hired. Dolan doesn't have a reputation for interfering with his GMs. The problem has always been his loyalty to the guys he has hired. He kept Checkets and Layden too long and he Kept Isiah way too long. These people were the ones who set the franchise back decades.

Blame the guys for hiring the wrong GM's but, to characterize him in such a negative light or to demonize him without any personal knowledge of him is immature.

fine then i am extremely immature

I meant that "generally", was not trying...did not intent to label you as immature. You could have felt free to rebut my post if you like?

the fish rots from the head down. dolan has been the common denominator throughout all of this farce. his franchise was labeled as "not a model of intelligent management" by stern and stern basically ordered dolan to hire walsh and then stay out of the way and let a pro do his job.

he couldn't stay away, and how convenient that walsh's contract was up in 2011, the same year that carmelo wanted to bolt denver.

so, its DOLANS fault that Walsh would not commit beyond what was his last year. Its Dolans fault that he wanted to KEEP walsh???? And of course the Owner is going to be the common denominator, he's the owner so, that was easy math.

Stern doesn't have to power to order him to hire Walsh, it was a suggestion that Dolan chose to accept. Also, WALSH was the one that started the trade Melo, not Dolan. Waslsh was balking at the price and that is when Dolan supposedly got involved so, your incorrect about Walsh not wanting Melo.

A source close to Walsh confirmed reports that autonomy was an issue in the extension negotiations that had dragged on in recent months, with Walsh uncomfortable with the wording as it pertained to decision making on personnel.
Numerous reports indicated the two-year deal that was offered came with a significant pay cut from Walsh's $5 million annual salary. Still, it was widely believed that he would return.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/06/03/donnie.walsh/index.html#ixzz2YlUwoVaI

it was Dolan's fault.. He tried to undercut walsh with a pay cut.. a man who carried out your wishes of getting carmelo to NY...

dolan is a clown, he didn't want walsh and pretty much insulted the guy with a pay cut... walsh told him to kick rocks.. I am going back to indy... and will kick your rear end from there.... and he did...

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:First of all you need to get that Promise land out of here. Melo will get this team into the playoffs year in and year out. But winning a championship is not going to happen, this is the Knicks and they will never build for the championship. Besides the Knicks can't beat the Heat and the Heat have it locked up. So winning a championship isn't an option here just keeping fan base happy by winning 50 games is what the Knicks have always been about. This was evident in the Ewing years and now the Melo years. Ewing joined the Knicks with dead horse in King and Melo joins with a dead horse in Amare. It's history repeating all over again.

difference is, Ewing and the knicks had some good teams.. Ewing had X man, Wilkins, jackson, strickland, oak, mason, LJ, there were LEGIT opportunities for Ewing and the knicks to win.. But the east and NBA was loaded then. Not just Boston, But detroit, Cavs were good, pacers, and of course MJ and the bulls..

Today you can build a team that can beat the heat, they are good, but they are not a "super team".. The pacers are very close.. the knicks could have been there, but we love to cut corners...

You would have said the same about the Bulls in the playoffs they to struggled at times only to win the series, just as the Heat struggled. When ever the Heat needed the win similar to the Bulls they were able to win. Knicks don't have a chance in hell for a championship I don't see a championship coming in my life time. Maybe a tease here or there but that's it.

you may be right, but as of now, we are not going to win, not because the heat are too good.. the knicks are just not good enough and smart enough... The heat can be beat... I think the pacers are on that path...

72 win Bulls team vs a 50 win Knicks team went 7 games. At that minute you would have thought Knicks are close and we will be seeing a championship banner being raised in MSG. What happened you lost X-Man right after. The Bulls just kept whipping the Knicks year in and year out. Two times they make the finals what happens Michael Jordan retires. If Jordan is there you know they aren't sniffing it.

When ever the Heat needed it Wade upped his game. You need a super team to beat them and the Knicks don't have that.

Charles Smith happened. Knicks should have won in 93.

at some point you had to honestly believe that he was going to just go up and try to dunk that... I mean he kept trying to sneak that layup in with all of those trees around him... wow..

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:epiphany? there will be no epiphany with a lowlife like dolan.

you will NEVER have a quality GM in here, nor a quality coach, so long as dolan the dip**** owns the team. better men than dolan will not stoop to work for him. he's more interested in propping up his fragile ego than he is in winning. that's the reality, guys.

after watching how walsh was treated, you have no choice but to believe this to be the case... just sad.. from walsh to larry Brown to chaney...

Reality according to you. I for one think he has made some bad decisions but, so have most GMs. Most of the terrible decisions made were made by those he hired. Dolan doesn't have a reputation for interfering with his GMs. The problem has always been his loyalty to the guys he has hired. He kept Checkets and Layden too long and he Kept Isiah way too long. These people were the ones who set the franchise back decades.

Blame the guys for hiring the wrong GM's but, to characterize him in such a negative light or to demonize him without any personal knowledge of him is immature.

fine then i am extremely immature

exactly... me too I guess..... LOL

we already knew that
immature was/is likely the wrong word, hows about it shows a lack of perspective. We don't personally know Dolan so, to demonize him in the way some tend to, when he is just running HIS business the way he sees fit is odd. We don't Have to buy the product if we don't like the way he runs his business.

Te be honest, before I started coming to this board, I never really gave Dolan much thought. I either liked the product or, I didn't but owners were never really considered. During the post Clyde years, the product was REALLY BAD and I walked away from them for a few years. I still rocked my Knicks fear but, refused to subject myself to the product they were producing.

Then came the Ewing era, ...the product began to improve and I was drawn back in. I wan't to see my team win a championship but, even if they don't, as long as the product isn't awful and they are competitive, I will continue to watch

when they signed houston for 100 million i had to step away and then the dinglebury saga drew me back in, not for quality basketball but rubbernecking morbid curiosity.

i am pretty sure i will be less engaged with the knicks this coming season unless they somehow surprise me with quality basketball. but the likelihood is if i do get drawn in, it will be because of melodrama and not good basketball. i expect a regression and melodrama in 2013-14.