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Nalod
Posts: 71312 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
7/10/2013 2:50 PM
I rarely get mad at my UK friends but for goodness sake the embarassment is enough to be a knick fan but to be ignorant is another: Ed Tapscott drafted Weiss!
This is widely known for years and years. Also, a real fan puts himself not with the benefit of hindsight but at the moment the decision is made. Im not defending Layden whom was sattled with a bad scenario regarding Ewing, or Tapscott whom also had his reasons for not taking Artest. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/146704/Bermans_Book_Explains_Weis_Drafting |
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
7/10/2013 3:00 PM
Nalod wrote:I rarely get mad at my UK friends but for goodness sake the embarassment is enough to be a knick fan but to be ignorant is another: Ed Tapscott drafted Weiss! I'll give you that one, Tapscott drafted Weis, and was replaced by Layden soon after. Still, Layden was responsible for trading away Ewing, who should've retired a Knick, Allan Houstons $100 million fully guaranteed contract, and trading away Camby and Nene for Antonio McDyess. I won't even mention bringing over the Utah connection or trading Spree... That's pretty much the winning ticket! |
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Nalod
Posts: 71312 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
7/10/2013 4:17 PM LAST EDITED: 7/10/2013 4:40 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:I rarely get mad at my UK friends but for goodness sake the embarassment is enough to be a knick fan but to be ignorant is another: Ed Tapscott drafted Weiss! Chuck, shame on you!!!!! You hold Layden responsible? In his own words....... "If I had it to do all over again," said Ewing. "I wouldn't have requested a trade." http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=powell_shaun&id=5122661 I guess the you think he could have done better! Of course in hindsight you do! That request set in motion a series of bad trades because we had no leverage! We had a player with a few years left on a big deal who wanted out and his body was givin out! no secret the rest of the league knew that. YOu remember how bad Ewing was after the trade? he was awful!
Lets consider the real way francises work. First off you don't bring in guys like Dice or resign H20 without the owners direct involvement. All the GM's in the league are given all power to direct a franchise whose members now command a min price of 550mil (SAC) and you think a neophyte like Layden is empowered to trade ewing, bring in a max player like Dice, or empowered to give a 100 mil contract? Your naive! H20 don't opt out and go free to test the market, it was an exercise already determined. How do I know this? Because its insane to have handed out that kind of money to him! Its not logical! Dice was a big trade and one that did not turn out but it was a gamble. Dice knee that blew out was not the one that was operated on and while we all think our Docs are morons (no evidence otherwise) to vet a contract requires lawyers and medical evaluation. These trades are not made on a whim! Was it a good trade? Hell know. Is the GM the face of these deals? Yes, its how it appears. YOu think Steinbrenner, Cuban, Al Davis, etc etc are not involved in players moves and finance aspects? OF COURSE THEY ARE!!!!!! YOu think The shift from Layden to the complete irresponsible reign of terror that Isiah went on was done witout the owners complete blessing and understanding? Isiah might hvae sold a total line of bullchyte to Dolan but its his team. Blame? The same starphuch mentality of the Dice trade, the Marbury/Isiah era, the desporate Amare compromise, the demotion and humiliation of Walsh that Dolan did to get Melo on the team all are on Dolan!!!!!!! Until we stop this instant gratification starphuching that many fans eat up we can be a good team, but not a champion. The way some of you digetst this crap and perpetuate inaccuracy is pure justification that dolan and the knicks will continue to hand out this crap as fans keep coming back for more and more. ChuckBuck, bone up on your history and if you can try to understand the decision are made with the limited facts at hand. No doubt GM's should be held accountable for the results in thier tenure but ultimately the GM's are easier to replace than owners. Gm's know this and its why they get paid. They don't blast owners do they? |
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
7/10/2013 5:12 PM LAST EDITED: 7/10/2013 5:15 PM
Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:I rarely get mad at my UK friends but for goodness sake the embarassment is enough to be a knick fan but to be ignorant is another: Ed Tapscott drafted Weiss! Lol you still think Dolan had the mental aptitude to conjure up these magic deals?!! He's a bonehead that meddles and dabbles sometimes in business end of Basketball, but you think he has the ability to think up all these unthinkable moves and signings? In August of 2001, the Houston Rockets signed Shandon Anderson to a 6-year, $41 million contract and traded him to the Knicks. The Knicks sent Glen Rice and $1 million to the Rockets and Mugsy Bogues to the Mavericks. The Mavericks sent Howard Eisley to the Knicks and the rights to 2nd round pick Kyle Hill with $1 million to the Rockets. After all these deals were done the Knicks were stuck with two mediocre players in Anderson and Eisley that now possessed long-term contracts. That clearly has Layden written all over it. He previously drafted both those dudes in Utah. Dolan barely knows the names of his employees! Drafting Michael Sweetney(ahead of David West). I guess you're going to put that one on Dolan too. He does the draft homework as well as run Cablevision! Jun 26, 2002 - The 2002 NBA Draft took place in New York. You think Dolan can construct the makings of blockbuster trade this big with his "JD and the One Shot" mind? He's good a yelling and firing people, but come on. As your namesake, you're just giving him too much credit. Drafting Maciej Lampe? Dolan can't even finger Poland on a map! Cuban, I can understand. Guy's a business genius. Steinbrenner took a cheap investment, The Yankees at the time, and transformed them into a sports and business empire. But Dolan??? The guy that dropped out of school, had a nasty drug habit, and fell into corporate America simply by having the same last name as his rich as hell Father?!!?? I'll give you, Dolan was an "enabler" for the Isiah era, but the Scott Layden era had Layden's ass prints all over it. Sorry Nalod, if your version of Knicks history begins and ends with Dolan. It ain't that simple. FYI...the run to the 1999 NBA Finals was under Dolan's watch. I hate him as much as the next guy, but just sayin'! |
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
7/10/2013 5:32 PM
Dolan inherited an excellent roster and it took him a few years to destroy it
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Nalod
Posts: 71312 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
7/10/2013 11:16 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:I rarely get mad at my UK friends but for goodness sake the embarassment is enough to be a knick fan but to be ignorant is another: Ed Tapscott drafted Weiss! Thats it? The buck starts and stops with the owner. Never said Dolan ran all personel decisons. We talking about to who you blamed for the Ewing trade and To whom you blamed for Not drafting Weis. Dolan didn't do that. Dolan got rid of Checketts didn't he? Dolan hired Layden didn't he? He also fired him. Who hired Isiah? Get it. Don't sweat it chuck, your not always going to be right. Nalod makes mistakes and man up when corrected. |
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OasisBU
Posts: 24138 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 6/18/2002 Member: #257 USA |
7/11/2013 12:55 AM
Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:I rarely get mad at my UK friends but for goodness sake the embarassment is enough to be a knick fan but to be ignorant is another: Ed Tapscott drafted Weiss! Nyets? "If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just SUCK." Kenny Powers
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just messin with you Nalod