http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/919-Carmelo-Anthony/season/2012-2013-REG

Most of his shots are basleine/elbow-perimeter extended

CrushAlot wrote:Nets had lots of cap space and ended up with Travis Outlaw in the summer of 2010.

isnt that the warning for 2015? and its not like the knicks need to look no further than 2010 as well as to what can happen in fa

martin wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

Not if we are giving Melo $25MM+ to keep him from going to the Lakers. Because then instead of two lousy contracts for sub par superstar we will have on that's twice the size with no difference in overall cap space. - ok I am exaggerating a bit, but the only way 2015 works to our benefit if Melo and a couple other so called max players agree to sign up for the Miami Heat model.

This is most certainly key to it all. Especially if you want 3 guys competing together.

IMHO, Rondo, Love, Melo compliment each other VERY well. And I would go out on a limb and say that Chandler would find a way to resign for MLE or less IF those guys were on board.

I'm not disagreeing with your opinion of those mix.... but I do find the questioning funny since we acquired Melo/Amare/Chandler to play together and it SOLD here.

I personally don't feel we have shot to land Love and Rondo...possibly one of them.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:No it's not Video Game

Cap $60mil in 2014

Luke=MLE/$9milNash
Kobe=$15mil...(since he's 96 yrs old)
Melo=$16mil...(near max)
Zach=$10mil...(older vet signing)
Cosuins=$10mil...(reasonable considering his history)

Ball Park numbers. To be honest Nash probably gets moved to a team like Heat or a strong playoff team to clear all of their cap room. It's only 1 contract to move.

Dude, this is some very embarrassing posting by you, and it's like you are not even trying or doing one iota of investigation or whatnot.

Zach has a player option for $16M in 2014... and you think he will sign for $10M.

Cousins has a qualifying offer in SAC for $7M that year but they will just let him go for free.

Some team is going to trade for a near 41 year old broken down PG making $9.7M?

This is your thought process?

Yes for guaranteed money I think those things can happen. Zach could sign for a 4yr deal maybe for slightly more as I think Nash would be moved

It's not embarrassing posting.....Monta turned down 3yrs $36mil extension from the Bucks and still doesn't have a deal. Iggy opted out of his deal and signed for less per yr but more guaranteed money...Matter of fact Iggy took less twice...1 by opting out and 2 taking the lesser deal between GSW and Nuggets.
Tyson took less from us compared to GSW's offer

Come again?

We traded for a broken down Camby at 38 and gave him a 3yr deal...gave a broken down 38yr old pg a 3yr deal..so yes I believe the Heat could trade for Nash on 1yr giving up some future 2nd rounders at best.

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

The indication that the Knicks will have room to re-tweak in 2015 is right in front of your face: cap space. If you don't want to see it, keep riding blind.

Also, please let me know how much cap space CLE has in 2015 and how many other teams will too. Reasonable expectation.

And yes I do think there is a possibility that Rondo leave, management has been trying to trade him and they keep butting heads. Armed with that, why do you think he will stay?

And Love, Aldridge just watch Howard leave for nothing, just like a lot of others; they can certainly do the same.

I think the whole team is under team option.. they can easily just extend waiters and irving and go from there.

thanks for the cop-out answer. If you want to have a discussion, feel free to actually participate in it.

you asked me how much cap space the cavs will have and i answered that martin.. I just gave an example.. those teams are actually building towards the future.. it is not a cop out... what you are trying to do is convince yourself that the knicks are strategically planning to open cap space in 2015 to go after love and rondo.. I am telling you I don't buy it one bit... If they were doing that, they would start dumping bodies now and grabbing picks... for example... lets say rondo says I will come to NY, LA and or Houston and I want to sign and trade... Boston is looking for an unprotected pick.. what pick do we have to offer martin?

Knicks are not operating like a team that is looking to build towards the future.. that is what I am saying... and I will also add, the raptors will have just as much cap space if not more, the suns, the Hawks.... we are not alone here.. The difference is, those teams are clear about their intentions...

You didn't say crap about cavs cap space.

Please let me know what Houston just gave up for Howard.

I think the whole team is under team option.. they can easily just extend waiters and irving and go from there.

THAT IS what I said.. the whole team is pretty much under team option, which means cleveland can have as much space as they want.. depending on who they extend.. I can assume they will extend kyrie for sure...

Please let me know what Houston just gave up for Howard.

Houston can realistically have only Howard and Harden as the only two big contracts on their books, with space to sign more.. who would not find that situation attractive?

Knixkik wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

Not if we are giving Melo $25MM+ to keep him from going to the Lakers. Because then instead of two lousy contracts for sub par superstar we will have on that's twice the size with no difference in overall cap space. - ok I am exaggerating a bit, but the only way 2015 works to our benefit if Melo and a couple other so called max players agree to sign up for the Miami Heat model.

This is most certainly key to it all. Especially if you want 3 guys competing together.

IMHO, Rondo, Love, Melo compliment each other VERY well. And I would go out on a limb and say that Chandler would find a way to resign for MLE or less IF those guys were on board.

I'm not disagreeing with your opinion of those mix.... but I do find the questioning funny since we acquired Melo/Amare/Chandler to play together and it SOLD here.

I personally don't feel we have shot to land Love and Rondo...possibly one of them.

If we can get one of them then we will finally have the second star we needed all along. Then we can use remaining cap space to reup our guys who we feel are worth it. Playing with Melo in New York will attract someone.

that is a myth.. who has he attracted so far? JR smith? no thanks.

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

The indication that the Knicks will have room to re-tweak in 2015 is right in front of your face: cap space. If you don't want to see it, keep riding blind.

Also, please let me know how much cap space CLE has in 2015 and how many other teams will too. Reasonable expectation.

And yes I do think there is a possibility that Rondo leave, management has been trying to trade him and they keep butting heads. Armed with that, why do you think he will stay?

And Love, Aldridge just watch Howard leave for nothing, just like a lot of others; they can certainly do the same.

I think the whole team is under team option.. they can easily just extend waiters and irving and go from there.

thanks for the cop-out answer. If you want to have a discussion, feel free to actually participate in it.

you asked me how much cap space the cavs will have and i answered that martin.. I just gave an example.. those teams are actually building towards the future.. it is not a cop out... what you are trying to do is convince yourself that the knicks are strategically planning to open cap space in 2015 to go after love and rondo.. I am telling you I don't buy it one bit... If they were doing that, they would start dumping bodies now and grabbing picks... for example... lets say rondo says I will come to NY, LA and or Houston and I want to sign and trade... Boston is looking for an unprotected pick.. what pick do we have to offer martin?

Knicks are not operating like a team that is looking to build towards the future.. that is what I am saying... and I will also add, the raptors will have just as much cap space if not more, the suns, the Hawks.... we are not alone here.. The difference is, those teams are clear about their intentions...

You didn't say crap about cavs cap space.

Please let me know what Houston just gave up for Howard.

I think the whole team is under team option.. they can easily just extend waiters and irving and go from there.

THAT IS what I said.. the whole team is pretty much under team option, which means cleveland can have as much space as they want.. depending on who they extend.. I can assume they will extend kyrie for sure...

Please let me know what Houston just gave up for Howard.

Houston can realistically have only Howard and Harden as the only two big contracts on their books, with space to sign more.. who would not find that situation attractive?

You are not even paying attention.

They just drafted Bennett. Just about to sign Jarret Jack to a 4 year deal.

Kyrie, Tristan, Dion, Bennett, and Karasev will make $30 million combined. Jack’s deal adds $6 million. Earl Clark?

Owner has said he wants to be in playoffs this year, next. That means another signing or 2.

This is how you detail what a team will have in realistic cap space. Not just waiters and irving.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

Not if we are giving Melo $25MM+ to keep him from going to the Lakers. Because then instead of two lousy contracts for sub par superstar we will have on that's twice the size with no difference in overall cap space. - ok I am exaggerating a bit, but the only way 2015 works to our benefit if Melo and a couple other so called max players agree to sign up for the Miami Heat model.

This is most certainly key to it all. Especially if you want 3 guys competing together.

IMHO, Rondo, Love, Melo compliment each other VERY well. And I would go out on a limb and say that Chandler would find a way to resign for MLE or less IF those guys were on board.

I'm not disagreeing with your opinion of those mix.... but I do find the questioning funny since we acquired Melo/Amare/Chandler to play together and it SOLD here.

I personally don't feel we have shot to land Love and Rondo...possibly one of them.

If we can get one of them then we will finally have the second star we needed all along. Then we can use remaining cap space to reup our guys who we feel are worth it. Playing with Melo in New York will attract someone.

that is a myth.. who has he attracted so far? JR smith? no thanks.

We haven't had enough cap space yet to determine he won't attract someone.

tkf wrote:ok, so let me get this straight...

The new plan now is to stay competitive by getting guys like bargnani and possibly brand, while we build for 2015?

so now, the now 2015 is the new 2010?

Ok, seems like more buying of time... The knicks have not shown any indication that they are building towards 2015..None...

2010 walsh had a backup plan, he had picks, space and young players just in case lebron didn't work... and as you have seen as soon as lebron said "souf beach" walsh pulled the trigger to move david lee..

so if lebron and love tell the knicks to kick rocks..what is our plan B...remember no picks and very little of any real young talent in the fold outside of shumpert?

But hey, buy as much time as you want...

2015 is not the new 2010. We already have a foundation piece and didn't have any at that point. We aren't using it to save the franchise, we will use it to build with what we already have. You saw what difference having Wade made for Miami to bring in those guys. Had Miami not had Wade, it is far less likely they would have got those 3 to come there. Now we are in a similar situation armed with our own star trying to bring help and a bunch of cap space. The situation is much different. But as long as Melo is here, i know any plan won't satisfy you. We need those late first round picks huh?