TheGame wrote:

MS wrote:It's fairly reasonable for Copeland. He proved that he can score the ball for inside and out. While no a great defender very few people are. It speaks volumes about our ****ty franchise that we felt the need to give out a four year deal to Steve Novak and three year deals to broken down veterans.

Bargs, is a marginal player at best, giving up a draft pick for that guy was embarrassing. I am really not sure how that trade makes the team better. You basically get what you already had in copeland and lose depth for the regular season when someone goes down. I would imagine Chandler will continue to be heart, Amare is clearly getting injured as will Bargs so what the **** is this team doing.

This is the third GM in a row that doesn't know how to make trades or give out contracts.

Yeah, Copeland was a much better player than Novak. For whatever reason, Woodson never liked him. His defense was not that bad.

I, however, think that Bargs is a better offensive player than Copeland (if he is healthy).

I agree, Cope wasn't a bad defender. Actually at the end of last year I would say he was borderline good.

I also agree, I think Bargs will end up being better than Copeland. We have to consider the change of scenery and the Vince Carter Effect. I still would have signed Cope and offered Pablo less. It was for sure a tough decision as I love Pablo, but I don't take the old guy over the young and up and comer. We did that with Kidd and Camby (and Novak) over Lin (and Felton, or some mix) and how does that look now?

As I stated in the summer league thread, the decisions this organization consistently makes are head scratchers. We are turning into a minor league team for other teams. (Cope, Lin)

earthmansurfer wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MS wrote:It's fairly reasonable for Copeland. He proved that he can score the ball for inside and out. While no a great defender very few people are. It speaks volumes about our ****ty franchise that we felt the need to give out a four year deal to Steve Novak and three year deals to broken down veterans.

Bargs, is a marginal player at best, giving up a draft pick for that guy was embarrassing. I am really not sure how that trade makes the team better. You basically get what you already had in copeland and lose depth for the regular season when someone goes down. I would imagine Chandler will continue to be heart, Amare is clearly getting injured as will Bargs so what the **** is this team doing.

This is the third GM in a row that doesn't know how to make trades or give out contracts.

Yeah, Copeland was a much better player than Novak. For whatever reason, Woodson never liked him. His defense was not that bad.

I, however, think that Bargs is a better offensive player than Copeland (if he is healthy).

I agree, Cope wasn't a bad defender. Actually at the end of last year I would say he was borderline good.

I also agree, I think Bargs will end up being better than Copeland. We have to consider the change of scenery and the Vince Carter Effect. I still would have signed Cope and offered Pablo less. It was for sure a tough decision as I love Pablo, but I don't take the old guy over the young and up and comer. We did that with Kidd and Camby (and Novak) over Lin (and Felton, or some mix) and how does that look now?

As I stated in the summer league thread, the decisions this organization consistently makes are head scratchers. We are turning into a minor league team for other teams. (Cope, Lin)

Vince had his best years in Toronto. I hope you're not saying the same applies to Bargnani

Knixkik wrote:

MS wrote:It's fairly reasonable for Copeland. He proved that he can score the ball for inside and out. While no a great defender very few people are. It speaks volumes about our ****ty franchise that we felt the need to give out a four year deal to Steve Novak and three year deals to broken down veterans.

Bargs, is a marginal player at best, giving up a draft pick for that guy was embarrassing. I am really not sure how that trade makes the team better. You basically get what you already had in copeland and lose depth for the regular season when someone goes down. I would imagine Chandler will continue to be heart, Amare is clearly getting injured as will Bargs so what the **** is this team doing.

This is the third GM in a row that doesn't know how to make trades or give out contracts.

Can't compare copeland to bargnani. Bargnani has averaged 20 ppg in the league. He's an upgrade and if it works out he's the 2nd scorer that Melo needs and will allow JR smith to play a lesser role on offense.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

MS wrote:It's fairly reasonable for Copeland. He proved that he can score the ball for inside and out. While no a great defender very few people are. It speaks volumes about our ****ty franchise that we felt the need to give out a four year deal to Steve Novak and three year deals to broken down veterans.

Bargs, is a marginal player at best, giving up a draft pick for that guy was embarrassing. I am really not sure how that trade makes the team better. You basically get what you already had in copeland and lose depth for the regular season when someone goes down. I would imagine Chandler will continue to be heart, Amare is clearly getting injured as will Bargs so what the **** is this team doing.

This is the third GM in a row that doesn't know how to make trades or give out contracts.

Can't compare copeland to bargnani. Bargnani has averaged 20 ppg in the league. He's an upgrade and if it works out he's the 2nd scorer that Melo needs and will allow JR smith to play a lesser role on offense.

He also gave up ten more points than he scored per 100 possessions that year. And his opponent's PER was 4.2 points higher than his (17.1 vs. 21.3). That should give you an idea of how bad his defense is. Nothing from Bargs' past should be used to paint a favorable picture of him.

Papabear wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MS wrote:It's fairly reasonable for Copeland. He proved that he can score the ball for inside and out. While no a great defender very few people are. It speaks volumes about our ****ty franchise that we felt the need to give out a four year deal to Steve Novak and three year deals to broken down veterans.

Bargs, is a marginal player at best, giving up a draft pick for that guy was embarrassing. I am really not sure how that trade makes the team better. You basically get what you already had in copeland and lose depth for the regular season when someone goes down. I would imagine Chandler will continue to be heart, Amare is clearly getting injured as will Bargs so what the **** is this team doing.

This is the third GM in a row that doesn't know how to make trades or give out contracts.

Yeah, Copeland was a much better player than Novak. For whatever reason, Woodson never liked him. His defense was not that bad.

I, however, think that Bargs is a better offensive player than Copeland (if he is healthy).

Papabear Says

Woody said in an interview that Copeland probably wouldn't have made the team this year anyway. Woody is a player killer. If his percentage wins are up and could be maybe better if he puts in a certain player he will make that player sit the bench. It miffs me why would a defensive coach will play the long ball for offense. He'd rather be an offensive gambler or call it ISO pot luck offensive. He didn't like like Copeland and maybe he was against Cope coming here in the first place so he busted his balls. Look some coaches can really play politics with players. Look at JR's brother Chris. He has no business on the Knicks but he is here because of his brother and not because of his game.
This will be the bringing down of Woody. I must say though when the ball was put in Copeland's hand you better believe he wasn't passing it back. He was going to shoot it. And if Camby was able to play in the playoffs and Woody just wouldn't let him play then Woody's days are numbered.

How the hell does someone say a player with Cope's abilities "probably wouldn't have made the team anyway."? Just boggles my mind. And, he is an ISO coach.
REally, what the heck are your trying to build Woody?

I loved how he came on, great defense, opened the offense up and then all that just stopped...

earthmansurfer wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TheGame wrote:

MS wrote:It's fairly reasonable for Copeland. He proved that he can score the ball for inside and out. While no a great defender very few people are. It speaks volumes about our ****ty franchise that we felt the need to give out a four year deal to Steve Novak and three year deals to broken down veterans.

Bargs, is a marginal player at best, giving up a draft pick for that guy was embarrassing. I am really not sure how that trade makes the team better. You basically get what you already had in copeland and lose depth for the regular season when someone goes down. I would imagine Chandler will continue to be heart, Amare is clearly getting injured as will Bargs so what the **** is this team doing.

This is the third GM in a row that doesn't know how to make trades or give out contracts.

Yeah, Copeland was a much better player than Novak. For whatever reason, Woodson never liked him. His defense was not that bad.

I, however, think that Bargs is a better offensive player than Copeland (if he is healthy).

Papabear Says

Woody said in an interview that Copeland probably wouldn't have made the team this year anyway. Woody is a player killer. If his percentage wins are up and could be maybe better if he puts in a certain player he will make that player sit the bench. It miffs me why would a defensive coach will play the long ball for offense. He'd rather be an offensive gambler or call it ISO pot luck offensive. He didn't like like Copeland and maybe he was against Cope coming here in the first place so he busted his balls. Look some coaches can really play politics with players. Look at JR's brother Chris. He has no business on the Knicks but he is here because of his brother and not because of his game.
This will be the bringing down of Woody. I must say though when the ball was put in Copeland's hand you better believe he wasn't passing it back. He was going to shoot it. And if Camby was able to play in the playoffs and Woody just wouldn't let him play then Woody's days are numbered.

How the hell does someone say a player with Cope's abilities "probably wouldn't have made the team anyway."? Just boggles my mind. And, he is an ISO coach.
REally, what the heck are your trying to build Woody?

I loved how he came on, great defense, opened the offense up and then all that just stopped...

Mike Woodson said he didn’t think Chris Copeland would make the Knicks this season and now he’s going to be one of the first players off the bench in their biggest game of the season Saturday night.
It sounds a little like the Jeremy Lin story all over again.

Copeland, a well-traveled 29-year-old rookie, helped the Knicks beat the Pacers in Game and extend the Eastern Conference semifinals to a sixth game with 13 points Thursday night.

“Here was a young man that we didn’t think had a chance to make our ballclub,” Woodson said. “We didn’t think he was physically equipped to play at this level and just knowing the game at this level. It took him a while. He sat and learned patiently. We played him here and there. But each time he’s played he’s been productive on the floor.

"He's had his ups and downs in some games but first time go around guy, he's kind of like Pablo, they just kind of figure things out. It's kind of nice because my staff and I, we've all had a hand in it, and his teammates as well, in getting him to this stage.”