GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:AB is not STAT in terms of his physical health. AB's injury was a contact injury and not something that any player themselves couldn't have happen.

I just hope that Woody has him being a big part of the offense, with more touches near the basket too. I think like STAT, AB would be successful in the post at 7-1. He doesn't have to always be out at the 3 point line. If they do that he could easily put up good efficient numbers. They've got to mix things up and not just have only Melo in the post, but switch things up so that defenses don't get used to us doing the same thing all the time.

Reminds me of Camby his first time with the Knicks, would get hurt trying to make plays like that. Regardless of the nature of the injury I still wouldn't want to play Bargs too much because he has been injured for the better part of the last 2 seasons and you want to make sure that his body is up to whatever minutes he's given.

I just don't see how anyone could say that AB has a injury problem if you take away the really bad fall on his arm, which as I've said can happen to anyone, then you really don't have a very long injury history. He missed some games in the lockout shortened season, which the media conveniently doesn't mention when talking about how many games he's played the last couple of years, as if he could've played 82 in the lockout season that didn't go a full 82.

This is the kind of BS i'm talking about. You can make anything seem worse by cherry picking. They quote statistics which are heavily distorted by the last 2 injury plagued years and make it seem like he's been putting up poor stats for no reason. The truth is that he's only 27 and the last 2 years could be a bit of a fluke. NO SURGERY on his knees, just a calf strain and elbow injury. I mean come on!!!

http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-morning-news-tuesday-jul-02-2013/#comment-441001

Take a wild guess here.

Player A 2010 (rank): Isolation 145th, post-up 56th, roll man 64th, spot up 59th, off-screen 58th, cut 58th, o-rebound 25th

Player B 2010 (rank): Isolation 138th, post-up 18th, roll man 35th, spot-up 286th, cut 61st, o-rebound 111th.

Player A 2011 (rank): Isolation 102nd, post-up 14th, roll man 31st, spot-up 180, off-screen 35th, cut 150, o-rebound 91st.

Player B 2011 (rank): Isolation 45th, post-up 48th, roll-man 38th, spot-up 206, off-screen 46th, cut 91st.

Player A 2012 (rank); Isolation 18th, post-up 34th, roll-man 65th, spot-up 82nd, off-screen 81st, cut 44th.

Player B 2012 (rank): Isolation 13th, post-up 34th, roll man 84th, spot-up 110, off-screen 7, cut 86th.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:AB is not STAT in terms of his physical health. AB's injury was a contact injury and not something that any player themselves couldn't have happen.

I just hope that Woody has him being a big part of the offense, with more touches near the basket too. I think like STAT, AB would be successful in the post at 7-1. He doesn't have to always be out at the 3 point line. If they do that he could easily put up good efficient numbers. They've got to mix things up and not just have only Melo in the post, but switch things up so that defenses don't get used to us doing the same thing all the time.

Reminds me of Camby his first time with the Knicks, would get hurt trying to make plays like that. Regardless of the nature of the injury I still wouldn't want to play Bargs too much because he has been injured for the better part of the last 2 seasons and you want to make sure that his body is up to whatever minutes he's given.

I just don't see how anyone could say that AB has a injury problem if you take away the really bad fall on his arm, which as I've said can happen to anyone, then you really don't have a very long injury history. He missed some games in the lockout shortened season, which the media conveniently doesn't mention when talking about how many games he's played the last couple of years, as if he could've played 82 in the lockout season that didn't go a full 82.

This is the kind of BS i'm talking about. You can make anything seem worse by cherry picking. They quote statistics which are heavily distorted by the last 2 injury plagued years and make it seem like he's been putting up poor stats for no reason. The truth is that he's only 27 and the last 2 years could be a bit of a fluke. NO SURGERY on his knees, just a calf strain and elbow injury. I mean come on!!!

Coming from someone who deflected any and all criticism of D'Antoni however minor with chart after chart, statistic after statistic, I consider your insult praise from Caesar.

Where do I contradict anything you said about Bargs? The Camby reference was only pointing out how he got hurt on that one individual play, nothing else. What alleged statistics are you so bent out of shape about? I provided none.

As I said, it doesn't matter how he got hurt. Bargs has missed 82 games over the last 2 seasons, enough to take a wait and see approach and not try and give him too many minutes too soon, some injuries can linger. Didn't say he was injury prone, only that we should make sure that he doesn't aggravate any prior injuries.

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Knixkik wrote:We know what he can't do based on the conversations on this board, but he wasn't brought in for what he can't do. What he was brought in for in my opinion is to replace JR Smith as our 2nd option on offense. Do you believe he is better suited as our 2nd option than JR? I for one believe he is a great fit at PF next to Melo and Chandler and compliments this team perfectly. He is a true stretch 4. He is only 1 year removed from back to back 20 ppg seasons, so there is reason to believe while he isn't someone you want to build your offense around, he can thrive as a secondary scorer. What do you think?

was scoring the knicks problem? or was it the inability to get rebounds, stops, etc? I used to like bargs, I just don't think he likes the NBA.. He loves what comes with playing in the NBA, but I think the guy wants to be elsewhere. he is damaged in that aspect... His heart is not here.. bringing him to NY isn't going to change that.. not sure what happened to his shooting stroke, but it seems off.. he doesn't defend or rebound.. I am just trying to figure out, how does this address the knicks problems?

you keep talking about him complimenting melo and chandler... what good is that? complimenting a flawed structure does what? maybe if we had Dwight howard I could see where having a healthy and well playing Bargnani can help, but honestly I rather have ryan anderson who is better... Again, not saying bargs is a bad player.. not sure if he is a good player in the NBA anymore, and even so.. how does this help the knicks in their area of weakness..not having a stretch 4 was not the knicks problem... rebounding, points in the paint and an efficient scorer was.... we haven't addressed any of that yet..

Correct, scoring was the reason we lost to Indiana. We defended Indiana fine.

The 2 games we won against Indy was because our offense exploded, and wasn't stagnant.

so getting pounded on the boards and in the paint had nothing to do with it... just scoring?

As moses malone said " can't shoot the ball, if you aint got the ball".....

Exactly. Different era.

Unless you have a dominant post player and frontcourt ala a Shaq or prime Duncan, small ball or versatile teams like the Heat get outrebounded and still win games.

The 2 NBA Finalists actually finished 21st(Spurs) and dead last 30th(Heat). The Clippers finished 18th and the Knicks 26th.

Yes. I'd say rebounds is important, but doesn't really effect wins and losses to the extent it did in eras past. Of course in the Knicks case they should be better than 26th, ideally, but when it comes down to it, we didn't matchup or play to our strengths against Indiana.

I wouldn't exactly say that..Indy completely destroyed us on the glass with second chance points...It won the series for them..We still need scoring tho..One is not exclusive of the other..

I'm not downplaying rebounding, it's important. The reason we lost to Indy is because we played "Indy's game" instead of our game.

All season long, we made teams play our way. Out "3ing" teams(led league), winning the turnover battle, and playing timely defense in the 4th quarters of games.

Woodson, unfortunately, didn't make the right adjustments and "matched up" with Indy playing K-Mart and Chandler, 2 non offensive players.

We all know what happened when he finally unleashed Copeland...too little too late.

And to think, people didn't think Woody lost the Pacer series for us. I bet the Pacers were so happy after game 5 Woody didn't use Copeland exclusively.