JayNYC wrote:

Andrew wrote:

JayNYC wrote:hahaha did you just nice try me.. ALL JOKES ASIDE, I ain't gotta make this up .. MEN LIE, WOMAN LIE.. NUMBERS DONT. Looking at his numbers 43 % Career FG 36% 3PT RANGE. NEVER AVG'D MORE THAN 5 BOARDS.. NO DIMES. I didn't even look at his stats til you called me out, But I'm on point.. #FACTS

Apparently men who can't read stats do lie though.

Bargs has averaged more than 5 boards 4 different seasons. But really that's not the point. He's being brought in for a backup role, and for insurance for Amare. Camby and Novak were providing nothing in the playoffs, so why not take a chance. The move is a gamble, and after 2 years his contract comes off the books.

Hahaha. Let me be clear.. for his career he averages less than 5 boards per game.. As a 7ft 260 man that is horrendous! I keep telling folks ... you've just prove'n my argument. I don't hate the move when considering his role, and ability to give NYK a more conventional lineup. The reason i continue this debate is simply based on the idea of it being a lateral move. He is Amare .. trading picks away are reminiscent of years past. Mortgaging the future, for players with problem as a stop gag solution. I never once said i am opposed to acquiring him for Camby or Novak. They weren't factors here.. but i'm not gonna go over hype him like some other people on your UK boards either. The numbers are what they are.. you read em' why skew the argument. Accept it! 2015-2016 free agency cap space only matter if this organization makes a move that produces a winner.

I kind of like the trade because, in your words, 'He is Amare'. I don't want to rely on Amar'e for a full season. Do you? Not really a Bargs fan but I can see him fitting in here

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's a fine gamble if we aren't giving up 3 picks. But we are.

U think we could have gotten a first overall pick for Novak and Camby??

I did not say that

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's a fine gamble if we aren't giving up 3 picks. But we are.

U think we could have gotten a first overall pick for Novak and Camby??

I did not say that

If we aren't giving picks then we would have gotten Bargnani for free. Novak and Camby aren't viewed as positives. As much as free would be great, you actually have to give away something to get something back. Just can't get players for free typically. Getting Bargnani for 1 late first round pick and 2 late second round picks, and getting rid of the last year of Novak's contract is a steal.

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's a fine gamble if we aren't giving up 3 picks. But we are.

U think we could have gotten a first overall pick for Novak and Camby??

I did not say that

If we aren't giving picks then we would have gotten Bargnani for free. Novak and Camby aren't viewed as positives. As much as free would be great, you actually have to give away something to get something back. Just can't get players for free typically. Getting Bargnani for 1 late first round pick and 2 late second round picks, and getting rid of the last year of Novak's contract is a steal.

+1. Getting out of Novak's contract is a HUGE plus to this deal. If Bargs works out, we got a steal. If not, we got a better shot at rebooting in '15. A big who shoots is better than a big who sits + a wing shooter who shuts down in the playoffs.

I like this deal...tentatively, but still think it was worthwhile for the 2015 benefit.

JayNYC wrote:I could never be mad at someone for supporting, or cheering for a player that is liked. I'm just saying keep it 100% when stating your argument. Some in this thread are victims of warped objectivity! I hope he is an allstar NYK. That said, i can't ignore his flaws like some.. nor feel like we havent once again been fleeced in a trade. No way should NYK have surrendered multiple picks for an underachieving 4 that has a history of being injured. My opinion .. I'm sticking to it! 2015 cap relief or not!

I respect that. If there's anything I've learned is stick to your opinion and don't cave in to please anyone. State your opinion and let others agree or disagree and if that isn't enough let it go. No sense in circles. Let it play out on the court

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's a fine gamble if we aren't giving up 3 picks. But we are.

Why is it 3 picks again? I've read only the 2016 first round pick which Denver has the option to swap picks with.

I thought we were giving up 1 1st and 2 2nd rd picks

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's a fine gamble if we aren't giving up 3 picks. But we are.

Why is it 3 picks again? I've read only the 2016 first round pick which Denver has the option to swap picks with.

I thought we were giving up 1 1st and 2 2nd rd picks

I've seen two variations - 2016 first only and 2016 first + 2014 2nd. Have seen nothing on two 2nds

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:It's a fine gamble if we aren't giving up 3 picks. But we are.

Why is it 3 picks again? I've read only the 2016 first round pick which Denver has the option to swap picks with.

I thought we were giving up 1 1st and 2 2nd rd picks

We are?

Obviously no one knows for sure but that's what Wajnarowski said
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--knicks-trade-for-raptors--andrea-bargnani--toronto-gets-steve-novak--marcus-camby-and-draft-picks-223847584.html

Didn't see that from Howard Beck:

The Knicks and the Raptors agreed to a deal Sunday that would bring Bargnani to New York for Steve Novak, Marcus Camby and a first-round draft pick in 2016, according to a person involved in the talks.

ESPN also doesn't mention 2 2nd rounders.

JayNYC wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

JayNYC wrote:

Andrew wrote:

JayNYC wrote:hahaha did you just nice try me.. ALL JOKES ASIDE, I ain't gotta make this up .. MEN LIE, WOMAN LIE.. NUMBERS DONT. Looking at his numbers 43 % Career FG 36% 3PT RANGE. NEVER AVG'D MORE THAN 5 BOARDS.. NO DIMES. I didn't even look at his stats til you called me out, But I'm on point.. #FACTS

Apparently men who can't read stats do lie though.

Bargs has averaged more than 5 boards 4 different seasons. But really that's not the point. He's being brought in for a backup role, and for insurance for Amare. Camby and Novak were providing nothing in the playoffs, so why not take a chance. The move is a gamble, and after 2 years his contract comes off the books.

Hahaha. Let me be clear.. for his career he averages less than 5 boards per game.. As a 7ft 260 man that is horrendous! I keep telling folks ... you've just prove'n my argument. I don't hate the move when considering his role, and ability to give NYK a more conventional lineup. The reason i continue this debate is simply based on the idea of it being a lateral move. He is Amare .. trading picks away are reminiscent of years past. Mortgaging the future, for players with problem as a stop gag solution. I never once said i am opposed to acquiring him for Camby or Novak. They weren't factors here.. but i'm not gonna go over hype him like some other people on your UK boards either. The numbers are what they are.. you read em' why skew the argument. Accept it! 2015-2016 free agency cap space only matter if this organization makes a move that produces a winner.

I kind of like the trade because, in your words, 'He is Amare'. I don't want to rely on Amar'e for a full season. Do you? Not really a Bargs fan but I can see him fitting in here

It's not a matter of wanting to rely on STAT.. I think most overstand his struggle. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TRADING CAMBY OR NOVAK .. not my issue, it's the picks and .. we overpaid in my opinion. Its crazy that most are ignoring that notion. As far as statistics .. I gave his numbers to show those that believe him as being an outerwordly talent that they are overestimating his worth. You've got people saying that he's not here as insurance for Amare.. in effort to justify there stance. Keep it 100%

Overpaid by giving up what will be a late 1st round pick. This guys is worth a late 1st round pick. 2nd round picks and Dolan has shown he has no problem buying 2nd round picks...you guys are reaching for reasons to complain. WE also opened up the roster spot for Purp who I expect to see signed next.