AnubisADL wrote:Chad Ford

"The Knicks added a little name recognition by taking Tim Hardaway Jr. He's a polished scorer who can shoot the basketball and he has size for his position. I don't think he has tremendous upside, but he is ready to play right now. A solid pick for the Knicks."

This is why we drafted him. Typical Knicks move. It's all good though. I have League Pass anyway.

How the hell do you really think you build a winning team if you don't start to add some players who are actually GOOD in a team concept? We can't have a team without guys who can execute basic, high efficiency offensive plays. The screens, curls, PnR plays that we often failed to execute are much easier to do when you have a player who can actually use a screen and catch and shoot!!!!

The offense broke down and got stagnant cuz we had too many guys that couldn't perform a simple catch and shoot, but needed to hold the ball and go ISO in order to try and score. Just watch the Spurs and how they have constant motion, which would lead to good shots. Now if we can add a breakdown drive and kick PG to the mix then things really start to pick up.

nixluva wrote:How the hell do you really think you build a winning team if you don't start to add some players who are actually GOOD in a team concept? We can't have a team without guys who can execute basic, high efficiency offensive plays. The screens, curls, PnR plays that we often failed to execute are much easier to do when you have a player who can actually use a screen and catch and shoot!!!!

The offense broke down and got stagnant cuz we had too many guys that couldn't perform a simple catch and shoot, but needed to hold the ball and go ISO in order to try and score. Just watch the Spurs and how they have constant motion, which would lead to good shots. Now if we can add a breakdown drive and kick PG to the mix then things really start to pick up.

Knicks need quality players. We already have a bunch of role players.

The offense? What offense? We are reliant on Melo and the 3's ball. No post offense. No mid range.

I see the ball moving in plenty of LOTTERY teams. I dont care about anything but those W's.

Melo is going to be 30 next year with an opt out. Knicks are going to run Melo into the ground then have him break down half way through his next deal or he is going to leave. Either way we a screwed without some major upgrades. So when a team doesnt have picks or salary cap they have to get creative in the draft.

He has been streaky since HS and that is a worry - a true JR replacement.
On a positive note, the system Michigan ran probably slowed him down and the zone defense in college also held him back some. I think in some ways he can play better in the pros...

nixluva wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:He has been streaky since HS and that is a worry - a true JR replacement.
On a positive note, the system Michigan ran probably slowed him down and the zone defense in college also held him back some. I think in some ways he can play better in the pros...

This is perhaps the best way to look at things. He didn't have players like Melo who draw so much defensive attention. There will be MUCH more open space and lanes to attack in the NBA. I also would remind you that JR. only recently this year started attacking the basket more. He actually reverted back to his jack it up style in the playoffs. Smith has never been an efficient scorer nor a guy that gets to the basket and to the FT line. I think too many of us are not realizing that T Jr. hasn't shown everything he's got just yet. There is still upside with him.

Also he's much more athletic and quicker than people realize. Did you know T Jr. ran the sprint as fast as Oladipo and McClemore? And he was faster than many of the other guards in this draft. People just don't think of him that way. His max vert reach is 11'6.5", which is really getting up there. Only a few guards are getting up higher. If he had longer arms it would look a bit more impressive. Still it's well above the rim.

Well, they spent years watching this guy. I don't think they drafted him based on a good workout. I have a strong feeling, as much as they liked Ledo, that they don't want a scorer like that with Melo, they want a glue guy that can play a team game (ironic eh? )

I am sure Tim JR will be a good fit for us. We are trying to win a championship and they didn't want to bring "too much" in a sense through the draft. I don't totally agree or disagree with that.

What I am most disappointed about is that I don't think we made a trade into the second round for Wolters. I really wanted that kid. We won't know till July 1st is my guess? (The day our yearly allowance of money is reset?)

Osiris wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Osiris wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I've been watching this kid a lot this yr, and this was a very solid pick..I even started a thread about drafting him or seth curry..I really don't see why anyone would be disappointed, they worked him, they scouted him heavy, and he fits the system...This a role play draft to begin with, not to mention he came from a good program that has produce a lot of good players..

sounds like the same response when we drafted shump, grumbling and doubts

I think many fans look for the splashy player every draft. They ignore that the boring guys that the Spurs and Pacers draft end up being much better than predicted. Often times players are more suited to the NBA than the college game and they blossom when they get in the pros.

(Article)

"he scored 14 points a game on a very talented team, blended in well, has a good understanding of the game, dad has played pro ball, is an above average athlete with solid size at his position, plays hard, works hard in the offseason, crafty, and is the consummate professional.

I just feel he does not have glaring weaknesses such as youth/immaturity of a Ricky Ledo, being a jump shooter only such as Caldwell-Pope, or limited athletic ability such as Sergey Karasev."

"While Hardaway Jr. does not create off the dribble like a Ricky Ledo, he can do it in spurts.

While he is not a pure shooter such as a Karasev, he is a solid shooter on high volume. He does many things above average and has room for improvement and is a good athlete. While many observers might see his stats and ask where is the improvement, sometimes to me it is what you might see in game tape and see in personal interviews.

I think Hardaway Jr. with the right team might be one of the top 10 players to come out of this draft."

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/2013/06/draft-profiles-tim-hardaway-jr-66-200-lbs-sg-michigan/

I love this pick he can easily match or be better than JKid already! Great pick!

Really? Being better than someone who put 6 pts and 3 ast while shooting 37% fg and 35% 3fg and who didn't score a point in 10 straight playoff games to end is career is the bar for a great pick?

Jkid started all season while healthy. I think Timmah can start and mosdef surpass that production. Which would make him an upgrade. No?

So who would you bench in favor of him?

24. New York Knicks: SG Tim Hardaway Jr., Michigan

The son of former All-Star point guard Tim Hardaway, Hardaway Jr. is nothing like his father as a player. He's a long, tall and athletic swingman whose handle is nowhere near his father's legendary dribble. Hardaway needs to improve his shot selection, but that often happens when a player reaches the NBA. The question here is whether he will fit for the Knicks. This draft pick may mean New York has decided against bringing back Sixth Man of the Year Award winner J.R. Smith. He's a good value here, though. Grade: B

NEW YORK KNICKS

New face: No. 24 SG Tim Hardaway Jr.

The Knicks took the head-on approach to this draft. They picked one of the best players available and left, making no other moves on the night. Hardaway definitely clashes with sixth man J.R. Smith, so his selection could mean Smith won't be re-signing with the Knicks after all. That only makes sense if the Knicks had made up their minds on Smith before the draft because Smith is better than Hardaway at this stage. They had bigger needs, but Hardaway was a good value.

Grade: B-

24 B+ Knicks select: Tim Hardaway Jr., SG, Michigan
Needs to improve his accuracy at the free throw line. But the Knicks landed a solid guy here in Hardaway that will help them in several ways. But he's not a passer. So the question is when is he going to get the ball?

CrushAlot wrote:

24. New York Knicks: SG Tim Hardaway Jr., Michigan

The son of former All-Star point guard Tim Hardaway, Hardaway Jr. is nothing like his father as a player. He's a long, tall and athletic swingman whose handle is nowhere near his father's legendary dribble. Hardaway needs to improve his shot selection, but that often happens when a player reaches the NBA. The question here is whether he will fit for the Knicks. This draft pick may mean New York has decided against bringing back Sixth Man of the Year Award winner J.R. Smith. He's a good value here, though. Grade: B

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/draft/2013/06/27/grades-pick-by-pick-cleveland-cavaliers/2465505/

NEW YORK KNICKS

New face: No. 24 SG Tim Hardaway Jr.

The Knicks took the head-on approach to this draft. They picked one of the best players available and left, making no other moves on the night. Hardaway definitely clashes with sixth man J.R. Smith, so his selection could mean Smith won't be re-signing with the Knicks after all. That only makes sense if the Knicks had made up their minds on Smith before the draft because Smith is better than Hardaway at this stage. They had bigger needs, but Hardaway was a good value.

Grade: B-

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/2466671

24 B+ Knicks select: Tim Hardaway Jr., SG, Michigan
Needs to improve his accuracy at the free throw line. But the Knicks landed a solid guy here in Hardaway that will help them in several ways. But he's not a passer. So the question is when is he going to get the ball?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/22547776/grades-2013-nba-draft

Its not that the Knicks don't want JR Smith. It's that they can't afford him. Knicks can only offer him $5+ million and he will command $8 to $10 million. JR played last year for $2.8 mil. That was a bargain.

Re: Tim H, Jr: This morning I am only mildly disappointed with the pick. I think the Knicks expect Tim H to fill the need for 3 point shooter. He hit 19 of 25 3's at the pre-draft combine.
Last season, the Knicks attempted the most 3 pt shots of any team and finished virtually tied for 3rd in shots made with 37.6%. That's our offense and that is what we are aiming for.

The entire NBA is taking many more 3 pt shots than they did 10 years ago. We're not only going with it. We're leading the trend.

playa2 wrote:Reggie Bullock was picked right after we picked Tim Hardaway Jr, that speaks volumes to me with Doc Rivers as head coach. Will Woodson make Hardaway sit as a rookie if he doesn't fill a void that the team already have?

I really don't know how this pick helps the knicks with scoring.