knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knickscity wrote:Anyone who actually took a convo of Toney Douglas as being as compared to Chauncey as serious needs to be slapped...repeatedly.

And for the record Shumpert could probably fetch the number 1 pick in this draft....none of those guys will make any ijmpact in the first two years.

Not that Shumpert is great, more leaning towards how weak this draft really is.

U realize Shump didnt even average 7 points a game this year. U think you could get the #1 pick for him. I would trade him right now to anyone in the Top 8 easy without blinking

Some of those draft picks wont average 7 ppg either and they certainly wont be a solid defender Shumpert already is.

Maybe you would draft an unknown, i wouldn't.

So you wouldn't have drafted Shump? We should have traded that pick for some "knows quantity".

What are you talking about?

You said that you wouldn't trade Shumpert for a high draft pick because they aren't known quantities. By that same logic we shouldn't have drafted Shumpert we should have traded that pick for an established player.

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knickscity wrote:Anyone who actually took a convo of Toney Douglas as being as compared to Chauncey as serious needs to be slapped...repeatedly.

And for the record Shumpert could probably fetch the number 1 pick in this draft....none of those guys will make any ijmpact in the first two years.

Not that Shumpert is great, more leaning towards how weak this draft really is.

U realize Shump didnt even average 7 points a game this year. U think you could get the #1 pick for him. I would trade him right now to anyone in the Top 8 easy without blinking

Some of those draft picks wont average 7 ppg either and they certainly wont be a solid defender Shumpert already is.

Maybe you would draft an unknown, i wouldn't.

So you wouldn't have drafted Shump? We should have traded that pick for some "knows quantity".

What are you talking about?

You said that you wouldn't trade Shumpert for a high draft pick because they aren't known quantities. By that same logic we shouldn't have drafted Shumpert we should have traded that pick for an established player.

Not the same logic at at all, Shump was always known for solid defense and very few doubted he wouldn't translate into the NBA.

His question mark was position and his offense, which he has made strides in even with a major injury which took alot of court time away.

The guys in the draft are mostly role players and projects at best, and if you read my original part in this chain, i'm clearly stating most will not make an impact in the first two years.

Shumpert definitely was not a sure thing and, in all honesty, still isn't. Defensive wings with no offensive game have no place in the NBA and wash out unless they're able to develop one.

VCoug wrote:Shumpert definitely was not a sure thing and, in all honesty, still isn't. Defensive wings with no offensive game have no place in the NBA and wash out unless they're able to develop one.

Did you just equate Shump with "no offensive game"?

BTW, what do you consider Tony Allen?

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:Shumpert definitely was not a sure thing and, in all honesty, still isn't. Defensive wings with no offensive game have no place in the NBA and wash out unless they're able to develop one.

Did you just equate Shump with "no offensive game"?

BTW, what do you consider Tony Allen?

Coming out of college? Yes, based on his college career his offensive ability was highly questionable. Even now, the only thing he's shown is the ability to hit wide open threes but he has no mid-range game and and can't finish at the rim.

Tony Allen is a very good role defensive role player who kills his team offensively when they play good defensive teams and averages 20 minutes/game for his career.

he kills them because he can't shoot the three. Shump has shot 40% since moving off the ball in his rookie season. I agree with you about 15ft-rim. He needs to improve but that should come.

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knickscity wrote:Anyone who actually took a convo of Toney Douglas as being as compared to Chauncey as serious needs to be slapped...repeatedly.

And for the record Shumpert could probably fetch the number 1 pick in this draft....none of those guys will make any ijmpact in the first two years.

Not that Shumpert is great, more leaning towards how weak this draft really is.

U realize Shump didnt even average 7 points a game this year. U think you could get the #1 pick for him. I would trade him right now to anyone in the Top 8 easy without blinking

Some of those draft picks wont average 7 ppg either and they certainly wont be a solid defender Shumpert already is.

Maybe you would draft an unknown, i wouldn't.

So you wouldn't have drafted Shump? We should have traded that pick for some "knows quantity".

What are you talking about?

You said that you wouldn't trade Shumpert for a high draft pick because they aren't known quantities. By that same logic we shouldn't have drafted Shumpert we should have traded that pick for an established player.

Not the same logic at at all, Shump was always known for solid defense and very few doubted he wouldn't translate into the NBA.

His question mark was position and his offense, which he has made strides in even with a major injury which took alot of court time away.

The guys in the draft are mostly role players and projects at best, and if you read my original part in this chain, i'm clearly stating most will not make an impact in the first two years.

Shumpert definitely was not a sure thing and, in all honesty, still isn't. Defensive wings with no offensive game have no place in the NBA and wash out unless they're able to develop one.

They have a place but they arent future NBA All Stars or legitimate 2nd best players on good teams. Some guys really over rate Shumpert. I was reading an article on Bleacher report about Shump being left off the USA roster.Out of this list of players the only players the author thought were clearly better then Shump was Kyrie Irving, Paul George, Jrue Holiday and John Wall. I on the other hand would trade him for 3/4's of this list without even thinking twice

Ryan Anderson (New Orleans Pelicans)
Harrison Barnes (Golden State Warriors)
Bradley Beal (Washington Wizards)
Mike Conley (Memphis Grizzlies)
DeMarcus Cousins (Sacramento Kings)
Anthony Davis (New Orleans Pelicans)
DeMar DeRozan (Toronto Raptors)
Andre Drummond (Detroit Pistons)
Kenneth Faried (Denver Nuggets)
Derrick Favors (Utah Jazz)
Paul George (Indiana Pacers)
Taj Gibson (Chicago Bulls)
Gordon Hayward (Utah Jazz)
Jrue Holiday (Philadelphia 76ers)
DeAndre Jordan (Los Angeles Clippers)
Ty Lawson (Denver Nuggets)
Kawhi Leonard (San Antonio Spurs)
Damian Lillard (Portland Trail Blazers)
Greg Monroe (Detroit Pistons)
Chandler Parsons (Houston Rockets)
Larry Sanders (Milwaukee Bucks)
Klay Thompson (Golden State Warriors)
Dion Waiters (Cleveland Cavaliers)
Kemba Walker (Charlotte Bobcats)
John Wall (Washington Wizards)
Tyler Zeller (Cleveland Cavaliers)

Jmpasq wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knickscity wrote:Anyone who actually took a convo of Toney Douglas as being as compared to Chauncey as serious needs to be slapped...repeatedly.

And for the record Shumpert could probably fetch the number 1 pick in this draft....none of those guys will make any ijmpact in the first two years.

Not that Shumpert is great, more leaning towards how weak this draft really is.

U realize Shump didnt even average 7 points a game this year. U think you could get the #1 pick for him. I would trade him right now to anyone in the Top 8 easy without blinking

Some of those draft picks wont average 7 ppg either and they certainly wont be a solid defender Shumpert already is.

Maybe you would draft an unknown, i wouldn't.

So you wouldn't have drafted Shump? We should have traded that pick for some "knows quantity".

What are you talking about?

You said that you wouldn't trade Shumpert for a high draft pick because they aren't known quantities. By that same logic we shouldn't have drafted Shumpert we should have traded that pick for an established player.

Not the same logic at at all, Shump was always known for solid defense and very few doubted he wouldn't translate into the NBA.

His question mark was position and his offense, which he has made strides in even with a major injury which took alot of court time away.

The guys in the draft are mostly role players and projects at best, and if you read my original part in this chain, i'm clearly stating most will not make an impact in the first two years.

Shumpert definitely was not a sure thing and, in all honesty, still isn't. Defensive wings with no offensive game have no place in the NBA and wash out unless they're able to develop one.

They have a place but they arent future NBA All Stars or legitimate 2nd best players on good teams. Some guys really over rate Shumpert. I was reading an article on Bleacher report about Shump being left off the USA roster.Out of this list of players the only players the author thought were clearly better then Shump was Kyrie Irving, Paul George, Jrue Holiday and John Wall. I on the other hand would trade him for 3/4's of this list without even thinking twice

Ryan Anderson (New Orleans Pelicans)
Harrison Barnes (Golden State Warriors)
Bradley Beal (Washington Wizards)
Mike Conley (Memphis Grizzlies)
DeMarcus Cousins (Sacramento Kings)
Anthony Davis (New Orleans Pelicans)
DeMar DeRozan (Toronto Raptors)
Andre Drummond (Detroit Pistons)
Kenneth Faried (Denver Nuggets)
Derrick Favors (Utah Jazz)
Paul George (Indiana Pacers)
Taj Gibson (Chicago Bulls)
Gordon Hayward (Utah Jazz)
Jrue Holiday (Philadelphia 76ers)
DeAndre Jordan (Los Angeles Clippers)
Ty Lawson (Denver Nuggets)
Kawhi Leonard (San Antonio Spurs)
Damian Lillard (Portland Trail Blazers)
Greg Monroe (Detroit Pistons)
Chandler Parsons (Houston Rockets)
Larry Sanders (Milwaukee Bucks)
Klay Thompson (Golden State Warriors)
Dion Waiters (Cleveland Cavaliers)
Kemba Walker (Charlotte Bobcats)
John Wall (Washington Wizards)
Tyler Zeller (Cleveland Cavaliers)

I like Shumpert but that's crazy. You're absolutely right, wouldn't think twice about trading him for almost anyone on that list. I would love for Shumpert to prove me wrong and become a perennial All-Star but I doubt it. Right now he only excels at two things: open threes and on-the-ball defense. The rest of his offense and his off-the-ball defense are all various shades of bad.

Then again, we do trade him, the kid blows up and then people will complain that we have no patience in trying to develope players.