martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/sports/basketball/jason-kidd-announces-retirement-from-nba.html?_r=1&

"As part of his decision, Kidd has agreed to forgo the final two years of his contract, which means his $3.09 million salary will be removed from the Knicks’ cap figure. However, the Knicks will still be far over the cap and almost certainly over the luxury-tax threshold, barring a major payroll reduction. That means they will be subject to a ban on acquiring players via sign-and-trade deals."

DO you think Beck really knows if Jason left the money on the table?

Beck a straight-shooter, so yes.

Pretty much what I said a couple posts ago...

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:Kidd was signed to mentor Lin ,instead, his priorities changed

1- starting SG, to back up PG, to a player/coach that was unable to penetrate, defend a position, and was a liability on both OFF and DEF
He did have great hands for steals, decent rebounding, and when no one was defending him, he tried to push the ball before the defense could get set
In the end, he was unable to hit a shot (while whoever defended Pablo/Tyson, was always cheating on them), was unable to penetrate and/or run a PnR, but he is still a future HOFer

2- improve the team with BALL MOVEMENT, getting players to play TEAM BALL, and sharing his experience/leadership to the TEAM as a whole and guide/mentor Felton/Iman/JR/Melo
In the end, the offense was reverted back to Melo standing in one spot waiting for the ball to be delivered to him as the other 4 players on the court stood still and waiting for Melo to make a move, With JR, he was unable to get to the rim with Hibbert protecting it and the man Hibbert was defending was unable to pull him out or make him pay for cheating, instead JR reverted back to his 1v1, dribble dribble, off the dribble, step back jumper at a 30% or less rate

3- Baby sitting Melo and JR came with job, he was unable to change their poor habits/bad BB IQ, and add to their super hero strengths, in fact they attributed to his bald/shiny head, and Kidd in return influenced JR on being a drunk in the play offs and finding a future woman to beat on
Seriously though was hoping Kidd could have furthered the development of Iman Shumpert and improve his vision, facilitating skills, but with Melo NOT MOVING and standing still to receive the ball, there really isn't much he could do
Felton who is about 29 years old, isn't going to improve much while his development has more or less peaked
In fact, he more likely would be even worse, while he is a SG stuck in a PG's body, while without the speed/quickness needed to defend the PG
In his earlier years, he was able to hide his lack of PG skills with his athleticism/speed/strength but since he is nearing 30, his physical abilities are going to catch up more and more each year as he gets older

His leadership comes at a cost, at 3m per year for 3 years, and not including the taxes, while he is a liability in every other aspect
Considering we could have had Bayless at that price, it was a huge loss just because the ego issues were more important than talent
We now have one less dead weight on our roster and hopefully we can still keep his leadership as an assistant for us while saving a roster spot

With that said, let that dead weight be transferred to Chris Smith

Once again, saying a lot and very little at the same time.

True

Red1976 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:i disagree that he knew when to leave,

he should've left before this season, but he had so much class that he wanted to eek out another payday and drive drunk around long island,

yea, great career, but not sad to see him go.

my 2 cents.

Kidd was playing well for most of this season and was a big part of this teams success. Drunk or not he has infinitely more class than you have shown on this board, blob.

i disagree that he was a big part of the team's success this season,

maybe early on, but he went something like 200 minutes without a basket when it mattered most.

Felton credits Kidd for helping him have one of his best seasons ever, (sorry holfresh) and his 3pt shooting helped us win plenty of games. I was as disappointed in his playoff performance as anyone but that doesn't mean he didn't make a contribution to the team's success. Doesn't mean he should be disrespected like that.

+1 ...

Felton: "I could have never shot .427 and averaged 5 assists without Kidd's help!"

I was actually giving a "+1" to "Doesn't mean he should be disrespected like that"
life is not always about statistics ...

Bonn is going into convulsions right about now.....

do you have enough data to predict this ? what are the odds ?

LOL! "+1" is a statistic, BTW!

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:i disagree that he knew when to leave,

he should've left before this season, but he had so much class that he wanted to eek out another payday and drive drunk around long island,

yea, great career, but not sad to see him go.

my 2 cents.

Kidd was playing well for most of this season and was a big part of this teams success. Drunk or not he has infinitely more class than you have shown on this board, blob.

i disagree that he was a big part of the team's success this season,

maybe early on, but he went something like 200 minutes without a basket when it mattered most.

Felton credits Kidd for helping him have one of his best seasons ever, (sorry holfresh) and his 3pt shooting helped us win plenty of games. I was as disappointed in his playoff performance as anyone but that doesn't mean he didn't make a contribution to the team's success. Doesn't mean he should be disrespected like that.

+1 ...

Felton: "I could have never shot .427 and averaged 5 assists without Kidd's help!"

I was actually giving a "+1" to "Doesn't mean he should be disrespected like that"
life is not always about statistics ...

Bonn is going into convulsions right about now.....

do you have enough data to predict this ? what are the odds ?

LOL! "+1" is a statistic, BTW!

I would like to say "+a", but then you could argue its a constant, meaning the variable would be just around the corner and also the statistic ...

hahaha. Technically the +1 is just a number, not a statistic, anyway. My brain was in summer mode.

3G4G wrote:You gotta wonder what Kidd thinks of this team going forward if he felt Melo was on a Dirkish level and this team was a breath away from breaking through the Elite.

He's leaving $6mil on the table just because it's time?

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/sports/basketball/jason-kidd-announces-retirement-from-nba.html?_r=1&

"As part of his decision, Kidd has agreed to forgo the final two years of his contract, which means his $3.09 million salary will be removed from the Knicks’ cap figure. However, the Knicks will still be far over the cap and almost certainly over the luxury-tax threshold, barring a major payroll reduction. That means they will be subject to a ban on acquiring players via sign-and-trade deals."

DO you think Beck really knows if Jason left the money on the table?

Beck a straight-shooter, so yes.

agreeing to forgo his last two year....retire dudes Jersey...nah just kidding but, that is awesome of him. He could have pulled a LJ, "I want all my money" moment.

RonRon wrote:I joke, I joke, I Kidd, I Kidd....

it was wrong for me to give such low blows to Kidd as a future HOF and it was also a mistake to think he could still contribute and impact the game with his age and how we has showed how he regressed the past 3-5 years already

He was brought here to mentor Lin, provide leadership/intangibles, and to show Melo to play the right way/trust his team mates while not taking any the glory from him
We needed talent/speed/penetration to go with what he brings and you simply cannot get all of that with our financial situation

Kidd was awesome (like JR) during the regular season. Defensively he was like a damn jedi out there, getting steals and causing turnovers when the team needed them most. He impact on the court was FAR more positive than negative. He was a no show during the post season but, he was good during the season.

DurzoBlint wrote:

RonRon wrote:I joke, I joke, I Kidd, I Kidd....

it was wrong for me to give such low blows to Kidd as a future HOF and it was also a mistake to think he could still contribute and impact the game with his age and how we has showed how he regressed the past 3-5 years already

He was brought here to mentor Lin, provide leadership/intangibles, and to show Melo to play the right way/trust his team mates while not taking any the glory from him
We needed talent/speed/penetration to go with what he brings and you simply cannot get all of that with our financial situation

Kidd was awesome (like JR) during the regular season. Defensively he was like a damn jedi out there, getting steals and causing turnovers when the team needed them most. He impact on the court was FAR more positive than negative. He was a no show during the post season but, he was good during the season.

+1 and +1