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dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

Melo's success has far exceeded anyhting that Glenn Robinson did or Pierce prior to KG and Allen. If you would like someone else, go with McGrady who was the league's best scorer but didn't have a lot of playoff success. If you don't think Melo compared to Pierce when they were/are 29 years old, and think it's like comparing Shumpert or Dwade, you are a very bitter fan with extreme hatred for this player. Stop with all the hate and have a realistic view of a player. Pierce was known as a selfish player who didn't play good D and needed help. Then he got help and all is forgotten. But your comparisons are so rediculous i would honestly think you have never watched NBA basketball before. JR Smith is like Crawford, not Melo. Melo falls into that Pierce (at age 29), Mcgrady range of a player. Look at Pierce's success at age 29 and earlier and then let me know.

what success has carmelo had? Pleas list them.. and when you do that.. then you will understand why some of us hate when you bring up guys like durant and chris paul falling short to try to defend carmelo.... you can't have it both ways... so tell me, what success has carmelo had.. and please don't tell me about syracuse, his High school or grade school achievements..

He has been to the playoffs every year as the Knicks leading scorer. He helped us win the Atlantic division this season, won the scoring title, and helped us get to the 2nd round when no one else could. When was the last time we had a season like this one? He had equal success to Durant this year with the same help or less, more success then Chris Paul this year with far less help, and the one year he had another star player in Billups he made it to the WCF. When did Pierce ever lead his team to a division title without KG and Allen, or get to the second round on his own? When did Crawford ever help us, or anyone else get to the playoffs? When did Glenn Robinson? Melo came in as the 3rd pick and has been to the playoffs every year. EVERY YEAR. Say he didn't have a lot of success, fine. But every year to the playoffs as the leading scorer and you can't say thats impressive. Fine. I am done trying to convince you because i know you can't. You view Melo and Crawford as one of the same like you never watched Crawford play here. I can no longer engaged in such a silly argument. Next thing i know you will say Qytel Woods is a better comparison smh.

you are regurgitating the same old defense for carmelo.. You have it figured out.. He has been in the playoffs every year and out in the first round all but 2 years out of 11.. Are you good with that?.. cool..then guess what, he doesn't need help i guess, because he " leads a team to the playoffs, all by himeslf" .... good luck building around this fools gold player.. see you next year.. all you have to do is copy and paste the same old excuses... i will be waiting..

Thanks, but i enjoy making the playoffs. The way i figure it, only 1 team wins an NBA title each year, so i'm not going to stress it lol. But getting to the playoffs, and getting to the 2nd round sure beats winning 32 games season. This season was fun. I like having a big time player who can lead us there. But i'm sure you would rather have Gallo back which is fine. I know young teams with assets are much more fun, gives you more fantasy scenarios to come up with to improve. We are good now, so it's just boring, i get it.

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dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

cool, now explain to me what any of this has to do with the purpose of the thread. I'm siding with Papabear on this one about how your fixation with Melo is unhealthy.

try reading... it was about swinging for the fences...someone suggested trading him. I responded to them in agreement.

then.. another poster responded with this:

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

I then responded..

then here you come asking a question that you could have answered yourself by doing a little reading. I was responding to a question that had nothing to do with this thread.... redirect your question to that poster...

Thanks

I'm sorry but as a general NBA fan beyond being a Knicks fan, when reading your comparison for Melo to Crawford, or saying melo to pierce is like comparing shumpert to Wade, chandler to Russell etc, i can no longer take you seriously. Look up Pierce's success prior to 2007, all the years he missed the playoffs, look up Glenn Robinson success and numbers in his career, before you make silly comments. That's all your comments are, just silly.

I could care less what you think about me.. but I am curious, where did I compare him to jamal crawford... would it have been better if I said he should be a 6th man like manu ginobili who is a better player by the way...

you get so caught up in someone not accepting carmelo as GREAT you now are creating arguments.. LOL.. come on man... where is the comparison to crawford? where did I compare him directly to crawford... or did I say he would be suited for a similar role.. In other words if you think carmelo should be built around then you are comparing him to guys like lebron? is that a fair comparison? for lebron? shouldn't that be an insult to lebron?

Never compared him to lebron, comparing him to Pierce (at age 29). And no Ginobili is not better. Take Melo off this team and replace with him and we don't win 54 games and get to the second round. Be serious.

you are right.. we would win 50 games, be able to add more pieces and make it to the ECF..Thanks

Its easy to live in fantasy land and think its that easy. But thats fine. I'm sure if we had cap space Lebron would opt out and sign here next summer too. And Dwight would come this summer.

dude You don't get it. i don't care about any of those guys.... Dwight can stay where he is at, and lebron has no interest in NY.. I want to build our own winner.. i want our own paul George, And hibbert, I want to go through the process of watching a team grow, be it one year or 3... This is not fantasy land.. YOU are in fantasy land, thinking we can duplicate what the celtics or Heat did, with inferior players and a jackass owner and bum coach.. come on dude!!!

And i want our own Paul George and Hibbert too, but not interested in taking another 5 years for that 5% chance to find those guys. I just want to be a good team and i believe if you are in the mix every year then you never know what can happen.

smackeddog wrote:All our risks have paid off big time, the past decade- Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Steve Francis, clearing cap space for Lebron James, signing 40 year old players- so I'm all for this new high risk strategy of signing Bynum by imagining the salary cap doesn't exist and the promise of him being a back up center. A shame we can't sign the player who missed the ENTIRE season with degenerative knees to a max contract- I'd be all in for that too!

Stick around kiddo, because behind curtain #2 ....

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dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

melo and glenn robinson have very very similar numbers you are absolutely right. robinson was better at sharing the ball though. interestingly he latched on with the spurs just in time to win a ring as a guy who averaged about 10 minutes a game.

pierce is by far a superior player. he always had playmaking skills off the dribble even before allen and garnett came along. i love how now we need to compare the pre-2007 pierce to carmelo. if carmelo had ever developed the skills that pierce has we would not be in the fix we are in right now. but melo's footwork is just plain bad, and his ball-handling skills are mostly non-existent when it comes to keeping the head up and finding open teammates. these holes in his game will always hinder him from meshing or making others around him better... two things pierce does effortlessly.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

melo and glenn robinson have very very similar numbers you are absolutely right. robinson was better at sharing the ball though. interestingly he latched on with the spurs just in time to win a ring as a guy who averaged about 10 minutes a game.

pierce is by far a superior player. he always had playmaking skills off the dribble even before allen and garnett came along. i love how now we need to compare the pre-2007 pierce to carmelo. if carmelo had ever developed the skills that pierce has we would not be in the fix we are in right now. but melo's footwork is just plain bad, and his ball-handling skills are mostly non-existent when it comes to keeping the head up and finding open teammates. these holes in his game will always hinder him from meshing or making others around him better... two things pierce does effortlessly.

Coming from another Melo hater. Sorry, but i expect this response and nothing more.

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dk7th wrote:melo and glenn robinson have very very similar numbers you are absolutely right. robinson was better at sharing the ball though. interestingly he latched on with the spurs just in time to win a ring as a guy who averaged about 10 minutes a game.

pierce is by far a superior player. he always had playmaking skills off the dribble even before allen and garnett came along. i love how now we need to compare the pre-2007 pierce to carmelo. if carmelo had ever developed the skills that pierce has we would not be in the fix we are in right now. but melo's footwork is just plain bad, and his ball-handling skills are mostly non-existent when it comes to keeping the head up and finding open teammates. these holes in his game will always hinder him from meshing or making others around him better... two things pierce does effortlessly.

The same Paul Pierce who was sitting in the lottery along with the Knicks?

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AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:melo and glenn robinson have very very similar numbers you are absolutely right. robinson was better at sharing the ball though. interestingly he latched on with the spurs just in time to win a ring as a guy who averaged about 10 minutes a game.

pierce is by far a superior player. he always had playmaking skills off the dribble even before allen and garnett came along. i love how now we need to compare the pre-2007 pierce to carmelo. if carmelo had ever developed the skills that pierce has we would not be in the fix we are in right now. but melo's footwork is just plain bad, and his ball-handling skills are mostly non-existent when it comes to keeping the head up and finding open teammates. these holes in his game will always hinder him from meshing or making others around him better... two things pierce does effortlessly.

The same Paul Pierce who was sitting in the lottery along with the Knicks?

The same Paul Pierce that needed a prime KG and one of the greatest three point shooter ever to win.

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AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:melo and glenn robinson have very very similar numbers you are absolutely right. robinson was better at sharing the ball though. interestingly he latched on with the spurs just in time to win a ring as a guy who averaged about 10 minutes a game.

pierce is by far a superior player. he always had playmaking skills off the dribble even before allen and garnett came along. i love how now we need to compare the pre-2007 pierce to carmelo. if carmelo had ever developed the skills that pierce has we would not be in the fix we are in right now. but melo's footwork is just plain bad, and his ball-handling skills are mostly non-existent when it comes to keeping the head up and finding open teammates. these holes in his game will always hinder him from meshing or making others around him better... two things pierce does effortlessly.

The same Paul Pierce who was sitting in the lottery along with the Knicks?

The same Paul Pierce that needed a prime KG and one of the greatest three point shooter ever to win.

Wasn't Paul Pierce basically getting the same treatment Melos getting before KG and Ray joined him?

but seriously though, Pierce is a prime example that players need help to win....he couldn't do much by himself and the east was weak as hell back then.

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:melo and glenn robinson have very very similar numbers you are absolutely right. robinson was better at sharing the ball though. interestingly he latched on with the spurs just in time to win a ring as a guy who averaged about 10 minutes a game.

pierce is by far a superior player. he always had playmaking skills off the dribble even before allen and garnett came along. i love how now we need to compare the pre-2007 pierce to carmelo. if carmelo had ever developed the skills that pierce has we would not be in the fix we are in right now. but melo's footwork is just plain bad, and his ball-handling skills are mostly non-existent when it comes to keeping the head up and finding open teammates. these holes in his game will always hinder him from meshing or making others around him better... two things pierce does effortlessly.

The same Paul Pierce who was sitting in the lottery along with the Knicks?

you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

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dk7th wrote:the best way forward is to trade carmelo anthony while he still has value. by the end of next season's playoff futility melo's value will drop significantly.

his only hope is getting in genuine nba shape, improve his footwork, devote his energy to playing defense, working on his dribble while keeping his head up so he can make plays off the dribble, and using head and ball fakes to get to the line 10-12 times a game.

if he does all these things he can help lead a team to the finals. he doesn't need help that's bullcrap-- he needs to help himself and learn how to help others, play for others. he needs to work on his game all summer long. wonder what he's up to right now. sure hope he's working on all these things.

Dk, I said this to another poster.. I think camelo will best help a team as he gets older and his role can be reduced. He is a gunner, a shooter, nothing more.. as a 6th man, on the right team, i think he can be a real weapon.. ala Jamal crawford.. I know people don't want to hear that, but I think that will be where he sees the most success, as a team in his whole career..

You just compared the scoring champ to Jamal Crawford. I know you hate him, but come on. He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

well first of all I didn't compare him to Jamal crawford and who cares about him being gifted a scoring title by durant.. I mean really? why can't we say, we compared former 6th man of the year in crawford to carmelo? should that be a knock on Jamal..

He has led his team to the playoffs every season, give it a break.

now here we go! LOL. ." He LED his team" ok.. so what help does carmelo need? why is it always he "leads his team", but when they exit in the first round it is.. He needs help.. You can't have it both ways... The truth is, carmelo has been on some good teams, he has come up short in the playoffs.. A lot... his personal performances in the playoffs have been subpar for the most part... so I will give it a break when you give it a break.

Think of Melo as Pierce just before they got Garnett and Allen, except Melo has slightly more success prior to that point. That is the type of player he will become and the role he excels in. Still the first option but plenty of additional help.

hell while I am at it, why can't I think of shumpert as Dwayne wade, or chandler as Bill Russel.. come on man.. carmelo is Nothing like pierce, nothing at all.. I can think of carmelo as Glen Robinson, very similar games and approach... that is more realistic, which is why I said, his best years as a team player may come with him as a 6th man.. it suits his skillset and mentality perfectly..... A gunner who really has nothing more to his game than scoring... honestly, i think he will do well in that position.. but again, I know this will upset most of the MELO fans... but down the road most fans will be selling him as the best 6th man to ever live.. just watch..LOL

melo and glenn robinson have very very similar numbers you are absolutely right. robinson was better at sharing the ball though. interestingly he latched on with the spurs just in time to win a ring as a guy who averaged about 10 minutes a game.

pierce is by far a superior player. he always had playmaking skills off the dribble even before allen and garnett came along. i love how now we need to compare the pre-2007 pierce to carmelo. if carmelo had ever developed the skills that pierce has we would not be in the fix we are in right now. but melo's footwork is just plain bad, and his ball-handling skills are mostly non-existent when it comes to keeping the head up and finding open teammates. these holes in his game will always hinder him from meshing or making others around him better... two things pierce does effortlessly.

good point and I agree, especially about pierce.. but you know what is odd.. ask every melo fan who is better carmelo or pierce... they will say carmelo because " he can scooooooore".. yet they are the same ones who use as his defense, that he will morph into a pierce type player..LOL.. now what sense does that make?