Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:Dear Papa Bear,

Don't compare Melo with Lebron or Durant and then shoot down the efficiency comments about Melo
They are more skilled then Melo and that is fine, they simply make players around them better
They are not the same type of players and that is fine, problem is Melo thinks he is in the same category as those players when he is not

I personally can accept that fact that both Lebron and Durant are superior and I don't expect Melo to do the things that they can
So Melo should not try to mimic them if he does not have the skill sets of Durant and Lebron, two of which are on different islands when compared to Melo
Judging from your past post's, on the other hand, want to put them in the same category and try to find every reason to bash Lebron and Durant to bring them closer to Melo
Ironically, you dislike the criticism if they are measured by their skill sets, stats, and accomplishments
I can only think of that guy that got banned and came back to post and left/or got banned again, that thinks this way besides you
If you don't want Melo to compared to them, don't, if you want to compare them to Melo you will likely be the only one that would even try defending it

oh, NYKMENTALLYILL

Papabear Says

Good try with the efficiency crap. Listen maybe you will learn something. LeBron is a great player and is better than Melo. LeBron also have Bosh, and Dwayne Wade plus others. Who does Melo have?? If you put LeBron on this Knicks team they still loose. Either you are too blind to see that or you don't want to. 13 damn years of hell and that all you can say?? I don't care if you won't give the man credit. You can sit here and post till the cows come home with your flawed stats and weak posts or should I say all some of you do is say the same thing over and over again. You want to trade Melo to go back to the dark side?? 13 years 13 years. Not me I say move forward. I think what makes some of you mad is that you know that Melo will be here for a while. So stop complaining and face the facts . Some of you have been on the loosing dark side for so long 13 years you don't know how to act when we have a winning season. 13 years of hell and Melo brought us out of it whether you like it or not. Now Durant also is a great player but the players around him is better than what Melo has around him. You say Melo don't have many assists, well maybe if his team mates stop throwing up bricks his assists just might go up. You see your analysis on Melo is flawed. 13 years 13 years. get real and face the truth.

THE GUY CAME OFF THE BENCH DURING THE OLYMPICS and still took more shots then any other player.

EVERY SINGLE SCOUTING REPORT has this guy as being a bit selfish.

Let me give you a PRIME EXAMPLE: Tyson taps an offensive rebound out to the perimeter that lands in MELO's hands, in a flash (just because he's open) he hoist up a 3 point attempt with 23 seconds on the clock that miss badly

I watch LBJ in the exact same situation, but instead of shooting a wide open 3, he waited for a screen penetrated to the whole and kick to a streaking bird man for a and 1.

Same situation with KD, he got the ball, waited for a screen, gather himself and got a better mid range shot to fall..

PAPABEAR ask yourself this question, If your a teammate of Melo's and your a pretty solid player and during the course of a game you knocked down some shots, and you got it going, but the ball keeps ending up in melo's hand and he's shooting 9 for 27, while your shooting 6 for 9..HOW WOULD YOU FEEL at the end of the game when you lose by 10 or less points. Then have to hear melo say he needs help..

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't know what hell is the meaning of What should we do with Melo. I should say what should we do to help Melo. Every damn thread is bash Melo time. Damn can't we talk about something else. This is getting sick. Just like the two sicko brothers. which one I have on ignore. The best year we had in 13 years and you still complain. Now about winning it all aka a championship. You have 12 other good teams thinking the same thing but there can only be one winner. So does the rest of the league suck? I believe that half of the people on this forum only care about is how you play the game and not winning the game. I bet no one on this forum would be willing to give up a raise in pay just to bring in someone else on your work team. Hell No! give me mine. Now you say regular season don't count and what Melo did then dosent mean a thing. Let me tell you something every game is an important game.

Some threads are critical of Melo but almost all of your comments bash many if not the majority of the forum members here. Have you thought about finding a forum where you respect the views of the members more? I know I could just put you on ignore but I don't have anyone on ignore and I don't like doing that. It's irritating to see someone bash our forum so often though.

Papabear Says

Bonn 1997 I can't help it if you have a problem about Melo or this team. You are of the minority with your views. The majority of the form members are in favor of Melo the same way I am.Go to a Knicks game and you will see how much love the fans (who spend thier money have for Melo) Does he have to change some things? of course so but Melo ain't the problem. 13years 13 years of loosing and now it's over. That's something to celebrate. As far as I'm concern you can say or do what you want to say and I'll just say to you 13 years of hell is over. And we will get better. 13 years

You're saying I'm in the minority but a second ago you criticized half the people on this board (bold above)? You know half is not a minority, right? And actually about 60% of the people in this thread don't think we can build a contender around Melo. Nevertheless, I have no problem with you feeling that the losing is over and feeling that we accomplished something meaningful. It's when you constantly bash the majority of our forum that it's ridiculous.

with increasing sample size your 60% tendency is going the reverse way it seems ...

Not really. Right now 42% of posters who voted do and 58% don't think building a contender around Melo is a feasible option

to be fair it is almost tied between "TRADE and BUILD", other are another category and this should be interpreted this way... otherwise your poll is biased if you have 3 choices and one of them is counting like one of the other two and if this is not clearly stated (mostly because voting "other" is not specifying if you are voting towards "no melo can't be build around at all" or "there are maybe other better ways, but building around melo is still an option but not the best one") ... here you are subjectively deciding that other should be lumped in the category that shows what you think ... the argument can be drawn the other way around

so NO i disagree with you there ... or clarify your questions so there are 2 or 3 clear categories that can't be subjectively lumped together by one or another voter to make a point

knicks1248 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:Dear Papa Bear,

Don't compare Melo with Lebron or Durant and then shoot down the efficiency comments about Melo
They are more skilled then Melo and that is fine, they simply make players around them better
They are not the same type of players and that is fine, problem is Melo thinks he is in the same category as those players when he is not

I personally can accept that fact that both Lebron and Durant are superior and I don't expect Melo to do the things that they can
So Melo should not try to mimic them if he does not have the skill sets of Durant and Lebron, two of which are on different islands when compared to Melo
Judging from your past post's, on the other hand, want to put them in the same category and try to find every reason to bash Lebron and Durant to bring them closer to Melo
Ironically, you dislike the criticism if they are measured by their skill sets, stats, and accomplishments
I can only think of that guy that got banned and came back to post and left/or got banned again, that thinks this way besides you
If you don't want Melo to compared to them, don't, if you want to compare them to Melo you will likely be the only one that would even try defending it

oh, NYKMENTALLYILL

Papabear Says

Good try with the efficiency crap. Listen maybe you will learn something. LeBron is a great player and is better than Melo. LeBron also have Bosh, and Dwayne Wade plus others. Who does Melo have?? If you put LeBron on this Knicks team they still loose. Either you are too blind to see that or you don't want to. 13 damn years of hell and that all you can say?? I don't care if you won't give the man credit. You can sit here and post till the cows come home with your flawed stats and weak posts or should I say all some of you do is say the same thing over and over again. You want to trade Melo to go back to the dark side?? 13 years 13 years. Not me I say move forward. I think what makes some of you mad is that you know that Melo will be here for a while. So stop complaining and face the facts . Some of you have been on the loosing dark side for so long 13 years you don't know how to act when we have a winning season. 13 years of hell and Melo brought us out of it whether you like it or not. Now Durant also is a great player but the players around him is better than what Melo has around him. You say Melo don't have many assists, well maybe if his team mates stop throwing up bricks his assists just might go up. You see your analysis on Melo is flawed. 13 years 13 years. get real and face the truth.

Save that "who he has around him CRAP" for somebody who doesn't know better PAPABEAR.

THE GUY CAME OFF THE BENCH DURING THE OLYMPICS and still took more shots then any other player.

EVERY SINGLE SCOUTING REPORT has this guy as being a bit selfish.

Let me give you a PRIME EXAMPLE: Tyson taps an offensive rebound out to the perimeter that lands in MELO's hands, in a flash (just because he's open) he hoist up a 3 point attempt with 23 seconds on the clock that miss badly

I watch LBJ in the exact same situation, but instead of shooting a wide open 3, he waited for a screen penetrated to the whole and kick to a streaking bird man for a and 1.

Same situation with KD, he got the ball, waited for a screen, gather himself and got a better mid range shot to fall..

PAPABEAR ask yourself this question, If your a teammate of Melo's and your a pretty solid player and during the course of a game you knocked down some shots, and you got it going, but the ball keeps ending up in melo's hand and he's shooting 9 for 27, while your shooting 6 for 9..HOW WOULD YOU FEEL at the end of the game when you lose by 10 or less points. Then have to hear melo say he needs help..

very good post... but let me simplify this even more.. If they want to use the excuse that He doesn't have help.. every single year.. now remember 11 seasons he has never had help...

Ok... so shouldn't you start asking yourself? why? were the teams trying to sabotage their own efforts? were they trying to sabotage carmelo? I mean what is the deal here...

And since this is the same excuse every year.. why should the knicks want him? why should we have traded all of those picks, young players and cap space to get a guy who can't win, because he can never have enough help around him? why?

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:Dear Papa Bear,

Don't compare Melo with Lebron or Durant and then shoot down the efficiency comments about Melo
They are more skilled then Melo and that is fine, they simply make players around them better
They are not the same type of players and that is fine, problem is Melo thinks he is in the same category as those players when he is not

I personally can accept that fact that both Lebron and Durant are superior and I don't expect Melo to do the things that they can
So Melo should not try to mimic them if he does not have the skill sets of Durant and Lebron, two of which are on different islands when compared to Melo
Judging from your past post's, on the other hand, want to put them in the same category and try to find every reason to bash Lebron and Durant to bring them closer to Melo
Ironically, you dislike the criticism if they are measured by their skill sets, stats, and accomplishments
I can only think of that guy that got banned and came back to post and left/or got banned again, that thinks this way besides you
If you don't want Melo to compared to them, don't, if you want to compare them to Melo you will likely be the only one that would even try defending it

oh, NYKMENTALLYILL

Papabear Says

Good try with the efficiency crap. Listen maybe you will learn something. LeBron is a great player and is better than Melo. LeBron also have Bosh, and Dwayne Wade plus others. Who does Melo have?? If you put LeBron on this Knicks team they still loose. Either you are too blind to see that or you don't want to. 13 damn years of hell and that all you can say?? I don't care if you won't give the man credit. You can sit here and post till the cows come home with your flawed stats and weak posts or should I say all some of you do is say the same thing over and over again. You want to trade Melo to go back to the dark side?? 13 years 13 years. Not me I say move forward. I think what makes some of you mad is that you know that Melo will be here for a while. So stop complaining and face the facts . Some of you have been on the loosing dark side for so long 13 years you don't know how to act when we have a winning season. 13 years of hell and Melo brought us out of it whether you like it or not. Now Durant also is a great player but the players around him is better than what Melo has around him. You say Melo don't have many assists, well maybe if his team mates stop throwing up bricks his assists just might go up. You see your analysis on Melo is flawed. 13 years 13 years. get real and face the truth.

Save that "who he has around him CRAP" for somebody who doesn't know better PAPABEAR.

THE GUY CAME OFF THE BENCH DURING THE OLYMPICS and still took more shots then any other player.

EVERY SINGLE SCOUTING REPORT has this guy as being a bit selfish.

Let me give you a PRIME EXAMPLE: Tyson taps an offensive rebound out to the perimeter that lands in MELO's hands, in a flash (just because he's open) he hoist up a 3 point attempt with 23 seconds on the clock that miss badly

I watch LBJ in the exact same situation, but instead of shooting a wide open 3, he waited for a screen penetrated to the whole and kick to a streaking bird man for a and 1.

Same situation with KD, he got the ball, waited for a screen, gather himself and got a better mid range shot to fall..

PAPABEAR ask yourself this question, If your a teammate of Melo's and your a pretty solid player and during the course of a game you knocked down some shots, and you got it going, but the ball keeps ending up in melo's hand and he's shooting 9 for 27, while your shooting 6 for 9..HOW WOULD YOU FEEL at the end of the game when you lose by 10 or less points. Then have to hear melo say he needs help..

very good post... but let me simplify this even more.. If they want to use the excuse that He doesn't have help.. every single year.. now remember 11 seasons he has never had help...

Ok... so shouldn't you start asking yourself? why? were the teams trying to sabotage their own efforts? were they trying to sabotage carmelo? I mean what is the deal here...

And since this is the same excuse every year.. why should the knicks want him? why should we have traded all of those picks, young players and cap space to get a guy who can't win, because he can never have enough help around him? why?

say what you want about him in the Olympics, the coaches all loved him and what he brought so, maybe a different argument is needed there.

Great, get the olympic team in NY along with coach K and bring Dantoni back whom carmelo ran out of town, and we are all good

otherwise my argument stands..

and what does all of the coaches loving him have to do with anything we are talking about here? how does that help our situation.. How does that make carmelo the player he is being paid to be? How?

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Just a little note I see that some of you spew out efficiency stats like it's the law of the land. Well it's not. Stats only play one part of a persons game. you must take into consideration the player around him and the game plan that the coach want the team to play. If you are playing with subpar players your stats may go down. Poor rebounders can hurt your stats. So comparing stats is not 100 percent proof of a mans game not even 60 percent when comparing one mans stats on one team to another mans stats on another team. The players around him makes the difference. The coaches the refs. So when I see guys on the thread putting up stats to compare Melo to someone else it makes me laugh. Oh by the way the quize for today is-- why did LeBron leave Cleveland?? answer please

Great post. I hope you get an answer that isn't an anti-melo talking points rant. My answer, he knew that he needed to play with more talented players if he was going to win a championship during his playing career.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't know what hell is the meaning of What should we do with Melo. I should say what should we do to help Melo. Every damn thread is bash Melo time. Damn can't we talk about something else. This is getting sick. Just like the two sicko brothers. which one I have on ignore. The best year we had in 13 years and you still complain. Now about winning it all aka a championship. You have 12 other good teams thinking the same thing but there can only be one winner. So does the rest of the league suck? I believe that half of the people on this forum only care about is how you play the game and not winning the game. I bet no one on this forum would be willing to give up a raise in pay just to bring in someone else on your work team. Hell No! give me mine. Now you say regular season don't count and what Melo did then dosent mean a thing. Let me tell you something every game is an important game.

Some threads are critical of Melo but almost all of your comments bash many if not the majority of the forum members here. Have you thought about finding a forum where you respect the views of the members more? I know I could just put you on ignore but I don't have anyone on ignore and I don't like doing that. It's irritating to see someone bash our forum so often though.

Papabear Says

Bonn 1997 I can't help it if you have a problem about Melo or this team. You are of the minority with your views. The majority of the form members are in favor of Melo the same way I am.Go to a Knicks game and you will see how much love the fans (who spend thier money have for Melo) Does he have to change some things? of course so but Melo ain't the problem. 13years 13 years of loosing and now it's over. That's something to celebrate. As far as I'm concern you can say or do what you want to say and I'll just say to you 13 years of hell is over. And we will get better. 13 years

You're saying I'm in the minority but a second ago you criticized half the people on this board (bold above)? You know half is not a minority, right? And actually about 60% of the people in this thread don't think we can build a contender around Melo. Nevertheless, I have no problem with you feeling that the losing is over and feeling that we accomplished something meaningful. It's when you constantly bash the majority of our forum that it's ridiculous.

with increasing sample size your 60% tendency is going the reverse way it seems ...

Not really. Right now 42% of posters who voted do and 58% don't think building a contender around Melo is a feasible option

to be fair it is almost tied between "TRADE and BUILD", other are another category and this should be interpreted this way... otherwise your poll is biased if you have 3 choices and one of them is counting like one of the other two and if this is not clearly stated (mostly because voting "other" is not specifying if you are voting towards "no melo can't be build around at all" or "there are maybe other better ways, but building around melo is still an option but not the best one") ... here you are subjectively deciding that other should be lumped in the category that shows what you think ... the argument can be drawn the other way around

so NO i disagree with you there ... or clarify your questions so there are 2 or 3 clear categories that can't be subjectively lumped together by one or another voter to make a point

How about if we word it like this then: 60% of the board is choosing one of the options other than building a contender around Melo.
It's actually pretty common for polls to have more than 2 options.

There is no problem with having more than 3,4, 5 options ... I have some issues with your interpretation ... Anyway your 60% are not valid anymore with at least 50% clearly willing to build with Melo against 38% not willing to do so ...and the reminder not taking a firm position towards or against it

Knixkik wrote:I just don't understand why we need another Trade Melo or not Trade Melo when we know what the answer is. Focus your opinions somewhere else because we get nothing but bad arguments out of this.

Because this is what we do.

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't know what hell is the meaning of What should we do with Melo. I should say what should we do to help Melo. Every damn thread is bash Melo time. Damn can't we talk about something else. This is getting sick. Just like the two sicko brothers. which one I have on ignore. The best year we had in 13 years and you still complain. Now about winning it all aka a championship. You have 12 other good teams thinking the same thing but there can only be one winner. So does the rest of the league suck? I believe that half of the people on this forum only care about is how you play the game and not winning the game. I bet no one on this forum would be willing to give up a raise in pay just to bring in someone else on your work team. Hell No! give me mine. Now you say regular season don't count and what Melo did then dosent mean a thing. Let me tell you something every game is an important game.

Some threads are critical of Melo but almost all of your comments bash many if not the majority of the forum members here. Have you thought about finding a forum where you respect the views of the members more? I know I could just put you on ignore but I don't have anyone on ignore and I don't like doing that. It's irritating to see someone bash our forum so often though.

Papabear Says

Bonn 1997 I can't help it if you have a problem about Melo or this team. You are of the minority with your views. The majority of the form members are in favor of Melo the same way I am.Go to a Knicks game and you will see how much love the fans (who spend thier money have for Melo) Does he have to change some things? of course so but Melo ain't the problem. 13years 13 years of loosing and now it's over. That's something to celebrate. As far as I'm concern you can say or do what you want to say and I'll just say to you 13 years of hell is over. And we will get better. 13 years

You're saying I'm in the minority but a second ago you criticized half the people on this board (bold above)? You know half is not a minority, right? And actually about 60% of the people in this thread don't think we can build a contender around Melo. Nevertheless, I have no problem with you feeling that the losing is over and feeling that we accomplished something meaningful. It's when you constantly bash the majority of our forum that it's ridiculous.

with increasing sample size your 60% tendency is going the reverse way it seems ...

Not really. Right now 42% of posters who voted do and 58% don't think building a contender around Melo is a feasible option

to be fair it is almost tied between "TRADE and BUILD", other are another category and this should be interpreted this way... otherwise your poll is biased if you have 3 choices and one of them is counting like one of the other two and if this is not clearly stated (mostly because voting "other" is not specifying if you are voting towards "no melo can't be build around at all" or "there are maybe other better ways, but building around melo is still an option but not the best one") ... here you are subjectively deciding that other should be lumped in the category that shows what you think ... the argument can be drawn the other way around

so NO i disagree with you there ... or clarify your questions so there are 2 or 3 clear categories that can't be subjectively lumped together by one or another voter to make a point

How about if we word it like this then: 60% of the board is choosing one of the options other than building a contender around Melo.
It's actually pretty common for polls to have more than 2 options.

There is no problem with having more than 3,4, 5 options ... I have some issues with your interpretation ... Anyway your 60% are not valid anymore with at least 50% clearly willing to build with Melo against 38% not willing to do so ...and the reminder not taking a firm position towards or against it

LOL. Are you going to reply with the updated #s every time someone votes?

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't know what hell is the meaning of What should we do with Melo. I should say what should we do to help Melo. Every damn thread is bash Melo time. Damn can't we talk about something else. This is getting sick. Just like the two sicko brothers. which one I have on ignore. The best year we had in 13 years and you still complain. Now about winning it all aka a championship. You have 12 other good teams thinking the same thing but there can only be one winner. So does the rest of the league suck? I believe that half of the people on this forum only care about is how you play the game and not winning the game. I bet no one on this forum would be willing to give up a raise in pay just to bring in someone else on your work team. Hell No! give me mine. Now you say regular season don't count and what Melo did then dosent mean a thing. Let me tell you something every game is an important game.

Some threads are critical of Melo but almost all of your comments bash many if not the majority of the forum members here. Have you thought about finding a forum where you respect the views of the members more? I know I could just put you on ignore but I don't have anyone on ignore and I don't like doing that. It's irritating to see someone bash our forum so often though.

Papabear Says

Bonn 1997 I can't help it if you have a problem about Melo or this team. You are of the minority with your views. The majority of the form members are in favor of Melo the same way I am.Go to a Knicks game and you will see how much love the fans (who spend thier money have for Melo) Does he have to change some things? of course so but Melo ain't the problem. 13years 13 years of loosing and now it's over. That's something to celebrate. As far as I'm concern you can say or do what you want to say and I'll just say to you 13 years of hell is over. And we will get better. 13 years

You're saying I'm in the minority but a second ago you criticized half the people on this board (bold above)? You know half is not a minority, right? And actually about 60% of the people in this thread don't think we can build a contender around Melo. Nevertheless, I have no problem with you feeling that the losing is over and feeling that we accomplished something meaningful. It's when you constantly bash the majority of our forum that it's ridiculous.

with increasing sample size your 60% tendency is going the reverse way it seems ...

Not really. Right now 42% of posters who voted do and 58% don't think building a contender around Melo is a feasible option

to be fair it is almost tied between "TRADE and BUILD", other are another category and this should be interpreted this way... otherwise your poll is biased if you have 3 choices and one of them is counting like one of the other two and if this is not clearly stated (mostly because voting "other" is not specifying if you are voting towards "no melo can't be build around at all" or "there are maybe other better ways, but building around melo is still an option but not the best one") ... here you are subjectively deciding that other should be lumped in the category that shows what you think ... the argument can be drawn the other way around

so NO i disagree with you there ... or clarify your questions so there are 2 or 3 clear categories that can't be subjectively lumped together by one or another voter to make a point

How about if we word it like this then: 60% of the board is choosing one of the options other than building a contender around Melo.
It's actually pretty common for polls to have more than 2 options.

There is no problem with having more than 3,4, 5 options ... I have some issues with your interpretation ... Anyway your 60% are not valid anymore with at least 50% clearly willing to build with Melo against 38% not willing to do so ...and the reminder not taking a firm position towards or against it

LOL. Are you going to reply with the updated #s every time someone votes?

No but we were having a discussion and the numbers changed between your reply and mine so I mentioned them ... In any cases and I guess you know it my real issue was with the interpretation of the poll ...and I'm quite surprised that for someone like you that likes to discuss statistics and other numbers it is not a problem to have the results of a poll being dependant of some subjective lumping of the data ... More than 2 categories are fine if not redundant and messing up your results right ?

And I also mentioned in a previous post that any 2-3 new votes were changing the interpretation with the current number of voters ...and that the poll was not helping drawing a firm conclusion about what members think about Melo ... For now at least .. I guess I was not so wrong

knicks1248 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:Dear Papa Bear,

Don't compare Melo with Lebron or Durant and then shoot down the efficiency comments about Melo
They are more skilled then Melo and that is fine, they simply make players around them better
They are not the same type of players and that is fine, problem is Melo thinks he is in the same category as those players when he is not

I personally can accept that fact that both Lebron and Durant are superior and I don't expect Melo to do the things that they can
So Melo should not try to mimic them if he does not have the skill sets of Durant and Lebron, two of which are on different islands when compared to Melo
Judging from your past post's, on the other hand, want to put them in the same category and try to find every reason to bash Lebron and Durant to bring them closer to Melo
Ironically, you dislike the criticism if they are measured by their skill sets, stats, and accomplishments
I can only think of that guy that got banned and came back to post and left/or got banned again, that thinks this way besides you
If you don't want Melo to compared to them, don't, if you want to compare them to Melo you will likely be the only one that would even try defending it

oh, NYKMENTALLYILL

Papabear Says

Good try with the efficiency crap. Listen maybe you will learn something. LeBron is a great player and is better than Melo. LeBron also have Bosh, and Dwayne Wade plus others. Who does Melo have?? If you put LeBron on this Knicks team they still loose. Either you are too blind to see that or you don't want to. 13 damn years of hell and that all you can say?? I don't care if you won't give the man credit. You can sit here and post till the cows come home with your flawed stats and weak posts or should I say all some of you do is say the same thing over and over again. You want to trade Melo to go back to the dark side?? 13 years 13 years. Not me I say move forward. I think what makes some of you mad is that you know that Melo will be here for a while. So stop complaining and face the facts . Some of you have been on the loosing dark side for so long 13 years you don't know how to act when we have a winning season. 13 years of hell and Melo brought us out of it whether you like it or not. Now Durant also is a great player but the players around him is better than what Melo has around him. You say Melo don't have many assists, well maybe if his team mates stop throwing up bricks his assists just might go up. You see your analysis on Melo is flawed. 13 years 13 years. get real and face the truth.

Save that "who he has around him CRAP" for somebody who doesn't know better PAPABEAR.

THE GUY CAME OFF THE BENCH DURING THE OLYMPICS and still took more shots then any other player.

EVERY SINGLE SCOUTING REPORT has this guy as being a bit selfish.

Let me give you a PRIME EXAMPLE: Tyson taps an offensive rebound out to the perimeter that lands in MELO's hands, in a flash (just because he's open) he hoist up a 3 point attempt with 23 seconds on the clock that miss badly

I watch LBJ in the exact same situation, but instead of shooting a wide open 3, he waited for a screen penetrated to the whole and kick to a streaking bird man for a and 1.

Same situation with KD, he got the ball, waited for a screen, gather himself and got a better mid range shot to fall..

PAPABEAR ask yourself this question, If your a teammate of Melo's and your a pretty solid player and during the course of a game you knocked down some shots, and you got it going, but the ball keeps ending up in melo's hand and he's shooting 9 for 27, while your shooting 6 for 9..HOW WOULD YOU FEEL at the end of the game when you lose by 10 or less points. Then have to hear melo say he needs help..

Here is my answer 13 years of hell until Melo came screw the stats. What were you posts like the past 13 loosing years? You need to get real.