Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST

do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?

if you were ever around and paid attention instead of these silly drive by post you would realize that I said this well before the series started, at the beginning of the season.... Time in the league has nothing to do with who is better now.... Paul George is a better player right NOW!!

Only anti Melo fans will believe that. Like I said, take Melo off our team and replace him with George and we don't win 54 games and get to the 2nd round, simple as that. We would be a 43-45- win team. George is a great up and coming player but stop overrating him.

We could speculate endlessly on what would happen in different fictional scenarios. It looks to me though like you're paying attention only to the PPG difference between Melo and George. You're not factoring in that our defense would be better, our rebounding would be better, and our teammates performance would be better since George gets more assists and fewer turnovers.
George shuts down his opponent (well maybe not when it's Lebron). Per 100 possessions, his opponent scores almost ten less points than Melo's does.

Actually teammates performance would be much better with Melo because teams actually double him and design a defense to stop him. Melo is a main reason we were such a good 3-point shooting team this season. Stop looking at Melo's scoring alone and consider how he impacts the game by how opponents defend him.

Pro-Melo
-More PPG
-Slightly more efficient scoring
-Perhaps better teammate 3 point shooting

Pro-George
-Much better man-to-man defense
-More rebounds
-More assists
-More steals
-Fewer turnovers

I'm not saying Melo is worse than George. The advanced stats don't offer any decisive evaluation - it depends on which ones you look at. I'd call it a draw.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST

do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?

if you were ever around and paid attention instead of these silly drive by post you would realize that I said this well before the series started, at the beginning of the season.... Time in the league has nothing to do with who is better now.... Paul George is a better player right NOW!!

Only anti Melo fans will believe that. Like I said, take Melo off our team and replace him with George and we don't win 54 games and get to the 2nd round, simple as that. We would be a 43-45- win team. George is a great up and coming player but stop overrating him.

We could speculate endlessly on what would happen in different fictional scenarios. It looks to me though like you're paying attention only to the PPG difference between Melo and George. You're not factoring in that our defense would be better, our rebounding would be better, and our teammates performance would be better since George gets more assists and fewer turnovers.
George shuts down his opponent (well maybe not when it's Lebron). Per 100 possessions, his opponent scores almost ten less points than Melo's does.

Actually teammates performance would be much better with Melo because teams actually double him and design a defense to stop him. Melo is a main reason we were such a good 3-point shooting team this season. Stop looking at Melo's scoring alone and consider how he impacts the game by how opponents defend him.

That's your theory, not evidence. Melo might help the teammates' 3 point shooting but you still have to factor in how many more points he gives up. We can list some factors that are Pro-Melo and some that are Pro-George. The point is you keep repeating the Pro-Melo ones without acknowledging the Pro-George ones, let alone even trying to weigh the two sets of factors.

Pro-Melo
-More PPG
-Slightly more efficient scoring
-Perhaps better teammate 3 point shooting

Pro-George
-Much better man-to-man defense
-More rebounds
-More assists
-More steals
-Fewer turnovers

I'm not saying Melo is worse than George. The advanced stats don't offer any decisive evaluation - it depends on which ones you look at. I'd call it a draw.

neither player is an efficient scorer, so that shouldn't be a melo advantage.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How many minutes did he play at the 3 this year?

331. That's not a lot of minutes and I don't know how stable the #s are. The point is that you can't actually find any stats from last year that support the notion that he and George are equal in rebounding for their positions.

Now you know of all posters that those numbers are to small of a sample size. I am surprised by you. Shame on you Bonn.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How many minutes did he play at the 3 this year?

331. That's not a lot of minutes and I don't know how stable the #s are. The point is that you can't actually find any stats from last year that support the notion that he and George are equal in rebounding for their positions.

Now you know of all posters that those numbers are to small of a sample size. I am surprised by you. Shame on you Bonn.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

tkf wrote:I like shumpert a lot.. but he is nothing like paul george...or in that class.. may never be...

Paul George is stinking it up this game. And is not coming off an ACL injury. Shumpert we TRUST

do you realize how ridiculous it is to point to one game to try to prove your point.. Ok, so what about games one and two? should we say shumpert will be the next paul george every time he has a bad game? come on man.. HE is nothing like paul george, doesn't have the game, height or length.. and shumpert can't help this... and coming off an ACL injury is irrelevant...

really why must knick fans grab hold to something, blow it through the roof and try to justify it at all cost? It is ok if shumpert won't be as good as paul George, not many players in the league will be very soon...

Do you know how ridiculous it is to point to a playoff series to anoint a player as being better than a 9 year vet who eclipsed him in nearly every relevant metric?

if you were ever around and paid attention instead of these silly drive by post you would realize that I said this well before the series started, at the beginning of the season.... Time in the league has nothing to do with who is better now.... Paul George is a better player right NOW!!

Only anti Melo fans will believe that. Like I said, take Melo off our team and replace him with George and we don't win 54 games and get to the 2nd round, simple as that. We would be a 43-45- win team. George is a great up and coming player but stop overrating him.

We could speculate endlessly on what would happen in different fictional scenarios. It looks to me though like you're paying attention only to the PPG difference between Melo and George. You're not factoring in that our defense would be better, our rebounding would be better, and our teammates performance would be better since George gets more assists and fewer turnovers.
George shuts down his opponent (well maybe not when it's Lebron). Per 100 possessions, his opponent scores almost ten less points than Melo's does.

Actually teammates performance would be much better with Melo because teams actually double him and design a defense to stop him. Melo is a main reason we were such a good 3-point shooting team this season. Stop looking at Melo's scoring alone and consider how he impacts the game by how opponents defend him.

That's your theory, not evidence. Melo might help the teammates' 3 point shooting but you still have to factor in how many more points he gives up. We can list some factors that are Pro-Melo and some that are Pro-George. The point is you keep repeating the Pro-Melo ones without acknowledging the Pro-George ones, let alone even trying to weigh the two sets of factors.

Pro-Melo
-More PPG
-Slightly more efficient scoring
-Perhaps better teammate 3 point shooting

Pro-George
-Much better man-to-man defense
-More rebounds
-More assists
-More steals
-Fewer turnovers

I'm not saying Melo is worse than George. The advanced stats don't offer any decisive evaluation - it depends on which ones you look at. I'd call it a draw.

Gotta take the turnovers off PG, he gets a ton of them, and the rebounding is relatively even.

neither player is an efficient scorer, so that shouldn't be a melo advantage.

holfresh wrote:It has nothing to do with height and weight...It's the game you play...Its how u use your strength and size along with your game..Gallo is a SF...Barkley is a PF..Arron McKey is a SF at 6'10".Dale Davis is a PF 6' 8/9"..Xavier McDaniel is a SF..Hakeem is a center..Bill Russell at 6'9" is a center..Magic is a PG..

knickscity wrote:6-8 for the most part is the low end for a PF and in most cases is considered undersized, and melo is not listed as 240 on most sites....he's 230.

It's also the high end of SF. You don't seriously think he's built more like guys like Shane Battier, Jared Dudley, etc.
At the very least, he's in between and should be held to the standards of whichever position he plays. It's not like the expectations are lower at SF anyway - they're just different. I'd expect more steals and deflections if he's given that assignment.