NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:so what you are saying is that the team with amare and the kids that were playing above .500 ball was not getting back on track? a young team with amare playing like a star, good young talent, picks and cap space? yea I forgot how good things were the years prior... smh

That's exactly what I would say. That team "with amare and the kids" wouldn't have even made the playoffs in year two because Amare, Gallo and Chandler all missed major time that season and Felton was too busy doing his best Charles Barkley impression. And I'm not sure what picks you're talking about either because if you remember correctly, Donnie Walsh traded our 2012 pick and we would've had to swap our 2011 pick with Houston if we were in the lottery. We would've sucked, with no light at the end of the tunnel, and not had picks too improve or any credible player to spend our cap space on. That was Walsh's legacy here if what you wanted came true, which was not all that unfamiliar to Isiah's tenure.

i would add it never seemed like walsh and dantoni were on the same page. they would have had to figure out what to do with dg and wilson as well --> trade, walk, resign?

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

Again, you can't jump in and not follow the origin of the argument. 3G4G was intimating that Paul George was better than Carmelo. I was merely defending Melo against that point. And again, the numbers speak for themselves if you disagree with my defense.

I already acknowledged that George is a better defender but I don't think that is the end all be all of any discussion. Personally, I don't. I also don't consider George to be a triple double threat getting just one this season and one in the playoffs but to each his own. He is a pretty good passer, which is partially reflected in his assists per game but he doesn't "run his teams offense" anymore than Melo runs our own. George Hill and DJ Augustin are clearly the primary ballhandlers for that team, with Lance Stephenson being the guy to be the ballhandler on fastbreaks. As I mentioned, George is a pretty good passer but to have assists you have to have teammates be able to make shots which the Knicks couldn't in the playoffs.

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

Silly exaggeration on your part. Melo got outrebounded all season at both forward positions.

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.

This point is no where even close....

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.

You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.

You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.

It's not a fluke that PG gave melo the business on defense and LeBron has been limited as well.

Once again, it's about what Melo has done as a Knick in the playoffs.....Denver runs are irrlevant.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Clean wrote:People are quick to forget how unstopable Melo was at the end of the season. All it took was 3 injuries and 12 games before that memory was gone from existance.

his legacy will be defined by the post season for the most part. could be unfair.

Yet Paul George is defining his legacy now....Remember the Melo Legacy Threads that were started 2 times across 2 series and he performed poorly. To be honest even when Melo has been healthy he hasn't performed well in the playoffs as a Knick....

You kill me. Melo performed poorly, which for you is shooting the ball poorly, but George has performed admirably. There is a huge problem with that though.

George shot 40.6% from the field during his first two playoff series while Melo shot 40.6% over the same stretch and number of games (12).

George scored 19.1 ppg over that same stretch while Melo averaged 28.8ppg over the same stretch and number of games.

In a head to head against George, Melo averaged 7.8rpg and George averaged 7.0rpg.

Melo averaged 2.5 turnovers per game and George averaged 4.5.

Melo shot 86.8% from the free throw line while George shot just 60%.

All of this occurred with George averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Melo and yet George is defining his legacy despite being below par to Melo on most metrics while Melo is Hitler. Makes sense.

You're making the argument for Melo worse by comparing him to a younger 3 year player.

Melo's stats were not better than PG in most areas, the turnovers make it even worse considering melo doesn't run his teams offense like PG does.

PG is a nightly triple double threat who also plays consistent defense....Melo just takes alot of shots, great when he hits them, average NBA player when he misses.....so far pretty subpar as a playoff Knick.

SO basically Melo has to have around 10 rebs battling bigger players for it to be considered as something else and he can't play good D he has to hold a guy to under 10 points?

He certainly cannot be an inconsistent rebounder playing a position that requires consistent boards.

Also he cannot have more turnovers than assists when he isn't running the offense.

And scoring which is his only skill cannot be 37% 41% 40% in the playoffs as a New York Knick....that's actually pretty scrubbish.

Durant shot 42% without a capable no.2 man? Is he "scrubbish" too?

Durant didn't average that for the playoffs like melo did, but nice try.

Durant had two terrible games, prior to those he was ridiculously efficient and was rebounding passing and defending.

now if melo averaged 9 boards and 6 dimes in the playoffs, a few bad shooting nights would be excused.

You're half right and I apologize. After Westbrook went down on April 24th, Durant shot 47% from the field in the 9 games he played in. That number is a bit misleading though because of the type of opponent he played against in the 1st round. The Rockets are an uptempo team, which allowed the game to be easier to score in. Against the Grizzlies whose tempo and personnel is much more akin to the opponents Melo played, Durant only shot 42.1% in the series which is where I got that number. Take away game 4 of the Houston series where he shot 75% from the field, is a clear aberration for any player, and Durant's averages 43.68% shooting from the field which is very much indicative of the 42.1% he shot against the Grizzlies. The point is that no one player makes a team or an individual performance.

Personally, I'm not saying that Melo is as good or a better overall player than Durant. I'm only comparing the two from an offensive perspective, which is clearly appropriate. You can't knock Melo's offensive prowess when you hold no other scorer in his class to that standard.

You know that 42.1% would be an above average post-season for Melo? Regardless, the criticism of Melo was not simply his low FG% but also was that scoring is his only skill (see bold above)

....and Melo never had a guy like Westbrook to be his no.2 like Durant has from the jump. The two seasons Melo had an aged Billups heading into the playoffs, he shot 45.8% and 45.2% from the field. And for all the talk about "scoring being his only skill", he averaged 6rpg and 3apg from the 3 spot in the playoffs which should rank him among the elites at his position. If you're expecting him to be LeBron then the problem has more to do with you than him.