BRIGGS wrote:Centers
1. Noel
2. Adams
3 Len
4 Dieng
5. Iversen

PF's

1. Olynck
2. Zeller
3. Muscala
4. Plumlee
5. Davies

SF
1. Porter
2. Bennett
3. Muhammed
4. CJ Leslie
5 Jeff Ennis Deshaun Thomas

SG
1.Mclemore
2.Oldapido
3.Mcollum
4.Hardaway
5.Ledo

PG
1. Trey Burke
2. Nate Wolters
3. Erick Green
4 Shane Larkin
5 Michael Carter Williams

Most of your picks confirms with "Hollinger's top 50 efficiency players"

For 1st round picks, Larkin *for our need*, Adetembko and Plum Lee, both have top 10 potential in them

While I would right in hard to not consider Plumlee if he does fall to us at pick 24 with his potential and combination of size/length, athleticism, speed/mobility, and versatility

Also, I know you are very big on Wolter's but his lack of speed/quickness is needed for this team on both ends, so it is hard to not pick Larkin if he falls to us on pick 24

What do you think of Giannes Adetomko, Briggs?
I am very high on Giannes Adetembko, he has huge hands to go and is only 18, with tons of potential
I know is only about 200 pounds, but his potential is too high to let go if he falls to use at pick 24
His potential and ability to be a legit SF/PF while having the length/athleticism/handle and be a shot blocker as a help defender as well as a lock down defender potential to team up with Iman is hard to pass up as our future players
I see him being a Ak47/Ibaka with better offensive potential and G/SF skills, and while his body will likely continue to grow at 6'10 already /fill out, he has the chance to be a DEF STAR with his highest potential
His ability to defend 4-5 positions as a lock down defender is too high to give up

I know he is a project and is quite raw but he has the physical tools to be a HUGE impact on our future much like players like Hibbert/McGee did on their draft
Their potential could grow in huge dividends although it would likely take 3years + till we can start seeing a huge return as an asset
Luckily, we have a great shooting coach in Hopla to use to develop players shooting ability of our players/draft picks
He can turn out to be a more skilled Hakeem Warrick as his "LOWEST" potential as a rotational player

If we can get early/mid 2nd round picks
I do think Pierre Jackson is very under rated for his height/size issues, but he is Nate Robinson with REAL PG skills and is between Robinson/Cp3
I think Wolters could be a steal but I question his speed issues on both ends, especially since we have multiple players that cannot DEFEND the PG position
I would not have a problem drafting 2 PG's in this draft and letting Pablo walk while Kidd should not play much and just mentor these yoots/team
We need Iman and JR *if resigned* to do so and if they can, maybe Wolter's isn't such a bad idea although I don't see JR/Iman being PG's on offense

As mid/late 2nd round picks, I really like him if he falls, with Jammalle Hagins, especially since he could go undrafted
Like Davies I think he can come in and contribute right away while he is already a good rebounder, shot blocker and VERY good post player with good footwork
I would pick him over Brandon Davies *likely picked in mid 2nd round* and I think he is also another steal especially since he might go undrafted or LATE 2nd round

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Centers
1. Noel
2. Adams
3 Len
4 Dieng
5. Iversen

PF's

1. Olynck
2. Zeller
3. Muscala
4. Plumlee
5. Davies

SF
1. Porter
2. Bennett
3. Muhammed
4. CJ Leslie
5 Jeff Ennis Deshaun Thomas

SG
1.Mclemore
2.Oldapido
3.Mcollum
4.Hardaway
5.Ledo

PG
1. Trey Burke
2. Nate Wolters
3. Erick Green
4 Shane Larkin
5 Michael Carter Williams

Most of your picks confirms with "Hollinger's top 50 efficiency players"

For 1st round picks, Larkin *for our need*, Adetembko and Plum Lee, both have top 10 potential in them

While I would right in hard to not consider Plumlee if he does fall to us at pick 24 with his potential and combination of size/length, athleticism, speed/mobility, and versatility

Also, I know you are very big on Wolter's but his lack of speed/quickness is needed for this team on both ends, so it is hard to not pick Larkin if he falls to us on pick 24

What do you think of Giannes Adetomko, Briggs?
I am very high on Giannes Adetembko, he has huge hands to go and is only 18, with tons of potential
I know is only about 200 pounds, but his potential is too high to let go if he falls to use at pick 24
His potential and ability to be a legit SF/PF while having the length/athleticism/handle and be a shot blocker as a help defender as well as a lock down defender potential to team up with Iman is hard to pass up as our future players
I see him being a Ak47/Ibaka with better offensive potential and G/SF skills, and while his body will likely continue to grow at 6'10 already /fill out, he has the chance to be a DEF STAR with his highest potential
His ability to defend 4-5 positions as a lock down defender is too high to give up

I know he is a project and is quite raw but he has the physical tools to be a HUGE impact on our future much like players like Hibbert/McGee did on their draft
Their potential could grow in huge dividends although it would likely take 3years + till we can start seeing a huge return as an asset
Luckily, we have a great shooting coach in Hopla to use to develop players shooting ability of our players/draft picks
He can turn out to be a more skilled Hakeem Warrick as his "LOWEST" potential as a rotational player

If we can get early/mid 2nd round picks
I do think Pierre Jackson is very under rated for his height/size issues, but he is Nate Robinson with REAL PG skills and is between Robinson/Cp3
I think Wolters could be a steal but I question his speed issues on both ends, especially since we have multiple players that cannot DEFEND the PG position
I would not have a problem drafting 2 PG's in this draft and letting Pablo walk while Kidd should not play much and just mentor these yoots/team
We need Iman and JR *if resigned* to do so and if they can, maybe Wolter's isn't such a bad idea although I don't see JR/Iman being PG's on offense

As mid/late 2nd round picks, I really like him if he falls, with Jammalle Hagins, especially since he could go undrafted
Like Davies I think he can come in and contribute right away while he is already a good rebounder, shot blocker and VERY good post player with good footwork
I would pick him over Brandon Davies *likely picked in mid 2nd round* and I think he is also another steal especially since he might go undrafted or LATE 2nd round

If some of the picks that do not drop to us at pick 24, I wouldn't mind calling Cleveland up to trade with them for their 2 2nd round picks at pick 31/33 and maybe a future 2nd round pick if possible

Especially if we can trade Tyson Chandler for multiple 2nd round picks and use the 14m trade exemption to take Dallas's pick 13 overall with Marion, Carter or Collison, and Wright or Kaman in a sign and trade, maybe Olynicks even drops there

So with these moves, maybe we can get Olynick's, Wolter's *or another PG that falls*, and Muscala as our "yoots" while we acquire much veteran help to compete for the next year or 2

callmened wrote:@BRIGGS...how would you rank them based on what you think will be available at #24

He will be a solid NBA player. I just doubt it will happen with the knicks. Even if we draft him, Woody wont play him. Most likely hell be traded away

Knixkik wrote:He would be a great pick. Probably the best, realistic option. A lot of David Lee ability in terms of being an under-the-radar big with all the right tools.

I think he would need to put on a hard 15 pounds of muscle but at 21 that's cake--he could do it in 6 months with his frame. From there its confidence at the next level. Very few 6-11.5 skill players who possess every skill on both sides of the ball. Shooting running passing rebounding footwork length mobility. 15 pounds of muscle and reps and hes going to be a really really good NBA player. Im not loving him from the 5 hes a big 4 who can trickle over to 5 at times. I like what SA has--he could be our Tiago Splitter. Also this gives Knicks management a lesson on spending 15mm per year--if you do it make sure there are skills on both sides of the court.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:He would be a great pick. Probably the best, realistic option. A lot of David Lee ability in terms of being an under-the-radar big with all the right tools.

I think he would need to put on a hard 15 pounds of muscle but at 21 that's cake--he could do it in 6 months with his frame. From there its confidence at the next level. Very few 6-11.5 skill players who possess every skill on both sides of the ball. Shooting running passing rebounding footwork length mobility. 15 pounds of muscle and reps and hes going to be a really really good NBA player. Im not loving him from the 5 hes a big 4 who can trickle over to 5 at times. I like what SA has--he could be our Tiago Splitter. Also this gives Knicks management a lesson on spending 15mm per year--if you do it make sure there are skills on both sides of the court.

Tiago Splitter and Troy Murphy are good comparisions to Muscala
However, how well would he fit with Tyson Chandler here especially if he does no improve his mobility, have a simple post move and be able to score 1v1 especially when his defender is cheating like Hibbert did?

Let's not forget Duncan is very skilled and can make up for a lot of players with his all round skills, 15-17 footer, and good 1v1 DEF and shot blocking as help defense
And the coaching staff/philosophy of the team on both OFF and DEF can change adapting to the players on the court because of IQ of the team, unselfishness, ball movement with player movement, picks on and off the ball, and as well as the talent with 2 great penetrators and multiple shooters they have to spread the floor
It also helps that they have Tony Parker and Ginobili, even Kahwaii Leanard, as well as the shooters to spread the floor
While Woodson's does not change his philosophy with the players he has on the court and vs different match ups, which WILL NOT WORK, especially in play offs
You have to be able to recognize the strengths of the unit on the floor, as well their weakness's
Like Novak/Copeland were playing the SF/PF together, and they were getting eaten up on DEF
But they they are both so slow, they cannot help it, unable to defend most SF's while needing help
Our whole DEFENSE would collapse and when Copeland was playing the C spot, his lack of speed became an upgrade in speed at C, also pulling away our opponents
shot blocker, help defender, and rebounder away from the basket or get a wide open 3point shot in which he converted about 40% of the time

So I think Splitter is a good player to have but I don't think you can start him with Chandler because of the speed/mobility, and Chandler does not get defended when he stands by the FT line unlike Duncan, making it hard to post up
Like I said, I think he could be a solid player like Splitter but I question if he would FIT/COEXIST as well Splitter/Duncan would vs Muscala/Chandler
However, if Chandler is traded, I think it could work with a player that is more mobile and not as big of a liability like Chandler likely would be

In my opinion, the earliest, Muscala will get drafted in the late 1st round and would even take a shot that he could drop to the early 2nd round/mid 2nd round
I wonder if Cleveland is interested in our pick at 24 for picks 30, 32, and a future 2nd round pick or 2 *for next season since we don't have picks besides OKC's 2nd rounder and maybe Kings top 55 protected *which makes it HIGHLY unlikely*

I also don't think Ledo is that good either and is a big project
I think he is much less talented than JR Smith was with less physical abilities
However, it is Smith's IQ or lack of and his understanding of the game that holds him back while he always had the potential and physical tools to be a good player to the talents of a "STAR"
Woodson did bring the most of him, but Rihanna drained the life out of him which I am not sure if I can totally blame Smith on with her kinkyness
It would have been better had Woodson sit him out for a couple minutes and maybe even a game when he makes the errors/taking poor shots that he keeps repeating rather than just YELLING at him...
I think that would work better than than barking at him to show "Fake" authority and giving Novak and Copeland an earful to show "fake accountability"
Also he should reward player's when they do something right like MOVING the ball etc and giving positive reinforcements as well as negative reinforcements from a psychological point of view
Even when they are unable to prevent a scorer from scoring, if they show the effort in boxing out/fighting for position, reward them

RonRon wrote:Gonzaga C Kelly Olynyk tested as one of the worst athletes at the Combine.
Olynyk measured in at a solid 7'0/234. But he has T-rex arms, as his 6-foot-9 3/4 wingspan was shorter than a bunch of swingmen including Otto Porter (7-foot-1 1/2) and Shabazz Muhammed (6-foot-11). For a big man, wingspan is a measurement NBA teams take seriously. Olynyk also did just five reps on the bench press and ranked dead last in the three-quarters court sprint. He'll still go in the top-20 thanks to his raw size and shooting ability, but his stock is not rising.

I wonder how much of Olyniyk's value will drop now and if we have a shot at getting him
Knowing Brigg's, the Pacer's will draft him right before us like Philly grabbed Vucevic *although if he was dealt for NOTHING which would have really hurt and be a "Knicks' type move", watching him develop this season*

So he is slow, T-Rex arms, lacks mobility/athleticism but know's how to use his body and high IQ, could also hit a 3point shot if open
At pick 24, I think it would be a solid pick up, but I don't know for sure if he will translate his game to the NBA with the effect he has as a skilled BIG in college
But he should develop to, at the very least, be a solid 9th man role as a 2nd to 3rd PF/C
A lack of athleticism and long arm's means if his game does translate, like Nash, he will have a very long career because he does not rely on it although BIG's are much harder to predict from the pounding to give and receive

Olynck is a lock to go top 10 imho. Its nice to have long arms or jump to the moon but at the end of the day its a skill game that caters to bigger people too and he is quite skilled and 7 feet tall. I thin k Burke is your top NBA talent and Olynck number 2.