Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

Really think Walsh was the driver to bring in Amare? You really think this is a signiture Walsh move? With everything you know about Dolan, the starphuch manifest, and impatience that this is the kind of contract he would build his legacy on to return to new york and bring a championship?

Everyone entitled to his opinion.

Yes. He(Walsh) even stated as so, back in 2010 that he was going to sign 1 maybe 2 free agents with the cap space HE freed up for the Knicks the last few years. He said Lebron was one Plan A, then he said he Plan B etc.

Plan A) Lebron B)Wade C)Bosh or Boozer D)Nowitzki E)Kobe F)Joe Johnson etc....Z)Amare Stoudemire

All his contingency plans fell through the sewer as everyone shafted the Knicks...Walsh signed STAT in desperation to save face.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

Really think Walsh was the driver to bring in Amare? You really think this is a signiture Walsh move? With everything you know about Dolan, the starphuch manifest, and impatience that this is the kind of contract he would build his legacy on to return to new york and bring a championship?

Everyone entitled to his opinion.

Yes. He(Walsh) even stated as so, back in 2010 that he was going to sign 1 maybe 2 free agents with the cap space HE freed up for the Knicks the last few years. He said Lebron was one Plan A, then he said he Plan B etc.

Plan A) Lebron B)Wade C)Bosh or Boozer D)Nowitzki E)Kobe F)Joe Johnson etc....Z)Amare Stoudemire

All his contingency plans fell through the sewer as everyone shafted the Knicks...Walsh signed STAT in desperation to save face.

+1. Walsh had to come away with something after he cleared out draft picks and young players for 2 years. Amare was what was left. I still remember the reconciliation meeting amare had to have with dantoni.

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

I don't know if I'm school anybody because everyone but Nalod seems to agree. I do appreciate the comment though, lol.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

Really think Walsh was the driver to bring in Amare? You really think this is a signiture Walsh move? With everything you know about Dolan, the starphuch manifest, and impatience that this is the kind of contract he would build his legacy on to return to new york and bring a championship?

Everyone entitled to his opinion.

Yes. He(Walsh) even stated as so, back in 2010 that he was going to sign 1 maybe 2 free agents with the cap space HE freed up for the Knicks the last few years. He said Lebron was one Plan A, then he said he Plan B etc.

Plan A) Lebron B)Wade C)Bosh or Boozer D)Nowitzki E)Kobe F)Joe Johnson etc....Z)Amare Stoudemire

All his contingency plans fell through the sewer as everyone shafted the Knicks...Walsh signed STAT in desperation to save face.

Lets be clear, the record speaks for itself so Im not here to defend the legacy, just my interpretation.

I am forever thinking that an owner is the ultimate driver of a team. Nobody signs a 100million player with the health issues and insurance issues without the owners blessing. There are countless owners who are involved in many phases of decisions and I would have to say that the one constant thru the Jimmy era is the starphuch.

Ultimately the job of a president or GM is to take the hit for owner becuase the brand identity has to continue when a change is made. We celebrated Layden departure, Isiah's arrival, his departure, Donnie, and all the coach's over the years because we love our team. When the owner becomes the defacto face of the franchise there is a bigger problem because he won't go away so fast. Cube has made a positive impact and he has his trophy, as did Al Davis of the Raiders, but when it goes bad its hard to wipe the image away unless you hire people around you and fade away.

LIke Steinbrenner did. After a great run in the late 70's George had pissed off Reggie, made the whole Winfield debacle a mess and when he stepped away and let baseball people run things they became a modern dynasty!

Dolan is awful and he won't put his face on the franchise which is a good thing, but that does not mean he does not have big imput thru the organization.

NY and the Knicks have to take a big approach to be successful. Knicks have to compete with other entertainment to attract the $. There are 3 NHL teams, another NBA team, Two NFL teams, Two MLB teams, and minor league baseball and pro soccer. Indy has the Colts and the Pacers. Portand has the Blazers. OKC is also a one team city.

Back to Walsh and the job he did, my take is if you look at the way the Pacers were constructed over the many years there were few where they were bad. Even Isiah as the coach was a regular season success. Walsh's teams were tough and home grown and while no championships, in teh same time frame we did not win either.

So the real question is "who to blame" becomes the real focus? Since Checketts was let go we as fans love to blame the coach's (a long list) and Grunfeld, Layden, Isiah, Donnie and in time Grunfeld will get his. The one constant has been the owner. Dolan made the presentation to Lebron, Dolan was the one who finished the Melo trade when Walsh was resisting the price. Im going to guess Dolan had his hand in Amare. Donnie is long gone.

I started this thread not to rub in the face the knicks were going down but the view that Donnie/Bird have had a long vision and system to which their teams are built. Even bringing in Vogel, the youngest NBA coach and one without the star power is much different than what the knicks do. Woodson was not a starphuch but MDA and to me was a solid addition. The kind of non star moves we should be making!

With Hill's concussion its a sudden turn that gives a glimmer of hope that maybe we can turn this around and in the end the knicks will prevail and Walsh won't have the laugh.

Walsh was at the helm when we signed Amare so if you want to pin it on him I guess its fair game. He has proven to be an organizational kind of guy who never said a bad word about the team or Dolan. He played the MSG game as it is written.

A guy like that I defend because he returned order to the team and paved the way for what we have now. Love my knicks but don't love this roster. That don't make me a hater, its just my take.

I am discouraged the knicks fiscal health is not consistant with what hard core fans want.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

Really think Walsh was the driver to bring in Amare? You really think this is a signiture Walsh move? With everything you know about Dolan, the starphuch manifest, and impatience that this is the kind of contract he would build his legacy on to return to new york and bring a championship?

Everyone entitled to his opinion.

Yes. He(Walsh) even stated as so, back in 2010 that he was going to sign 1 maybe 2 free agents with the cap space HE freed up for the Knicks the last few years. He said Lebron was one Plan A, then he said he Plan B etc.

Plan A) Lebron B)Wade C)Bosh or Boozer D)Nowitzki E)Kobe F)Joe Johnson etc....Z)Amare Stoudemire

All his contingency plans fell through the sewer as everyone shafted the Knicks...Walsh signed STAT in desperation to save face.

Lets be clear, the record speaks for itself so Im not here to defend the legacy, just my interpretation.

I am forever thinking that an owner is the ultimate driver of a team. Nobody signs a 100million player with the health issues and insurance issues without the owners blessing. There are countless owners who are involved in many phases of decisions and I would have to say that the one constant thru the Jimmy era is the starphuch.

Ultimately the job of a president or GM is to take the hit for owner becuase the brand identity has to continue when a change is made. We celebrated Layden departure, Isiah's arrival, his departure, Donnie, and all the coach's over the years because we love our team. When the owner becomes the defacto face of the franchise there is a bigger problem because he won't go away so fast. Cube has made a positive impact and he has his trophy, as did Al Davis of the Raiders, but when it goes bad its hard to wipe the image away unless you hire people around you and fade away.

LIke Steinbrenner did. After a great run in the late 70's George had pissed off Reggie, made the whole Winfield debacle a mess and when he stepped away and let baseball people run things they became a modern dynasty!

Dolan is awful and he won't put his face on the franchise which is a good thing, but that does not mean he does not have big imput thru the organization.

NY and the Knicks have to take a big approach to be successful. Knicks have to compete with other entertainment to attract the $. There are 3 NHL teams, another NBA team, Two NFL teams, Two MLB teams, and minor league baseball and pro soccer. Indy has the Colts and the Pacers. Portand has the Blazers. OKC is also a one team city.

Back to Walsh and the job he did, my take is if you look at the way the Pacers were constructed over the many years there were few where they were bad. Even Isiah as the coach was a regular season success. Walsh's teams were tough and home grown and while no championships, in teh same time frame we did not win either.

So the real question is "who to blame" becomes the real focus? Since Checketts was let go we as fans love to blame the coach's (a long list) and Grunfeld, Layden, Isiah, Donnie and in time Grunfeld will get his. The one constant has been the owner. Dolan made the presentation to Lebron, Dolan was the one who finished the Melo trade when Walsh was resisting the price. Im going to guess Dolan had his hand in Amare. Donnie is long gone.

I started this thread not to rub in the face the knicks were going down but the view that Donnie/Bird have had a long vision and system to which their teams are built. Even bringing in Vogel, the youngest NBA coach and one without the star power is much different than what the knicks do. Woodson was not a starphuch but MDA and to me was a solid addition. The kind of non star moves we should be making!

With Hill's concussion its a sudden turn that gives a glimmer of hope that maybe we can turn this around and in the end the knicks will prevail and Walsh won't have the laugh.

Walsh was at the helm when we signed Amare so if you want to pin it on him I guess its fair game. He has proven to be an organizational kind of guy who never said a bad word about the team or Dolan. He played the MSG game as it is written.

A guy like that I defend because he returned order to the team and paved the way for what we have now. Love my knicks but don't love this roster. That don't make me a hater, its just my take.

I am discouraged the knicks fiscal health is not consistant with what hard core fans want.

I don't agree with some of what you're saying, or conclusions you arrive at but that's a fair take. Dolan's a jackass but he's not a demi-god. People try to pretend like the executives he has hired had no power but their plans were so radically different that they must've had a good amount of autonomy. Layden's agenda was to augment our existing core with past-their-prime-veterans. Isiah's agenda was to build a younger core by continually flipping contracts for marginally better talent. Walsh's agenda was to trade any and everything for cap space. There is little continuity between these 3 plans, so I definitely don't feel that Dolan is as involved with the day-to-day of the team, especially when it comes to signing role players, since he's never been a basketball guy. He probably interfered the one time with the Melo deal but given our track record of ineptitude (including Walsh), wouldn't you be a bit trigger happy? However, Dolan is certainly culpable for the hirings we've made over the years and that I definitely blame him for e.g. Frank Layden over any human being on God's green earth; Isiah Thomas over a Jerry West; Walsh over a Jerry Colanegelo/Kevin Pritchard/Sam Presti; Mike D'Antoni over a Tom Thibodeau/Rick Adelman, etc.

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

Really think Walsh was the driver to bring in Amare? You really think this is a signiture Walsh move? With everything you know about Dolan, the starphuch manifest, and impatience that this is the kind of contract he would build his legacy on to return to new york and bring a championship?

Everyone entitled to his opinion.

Yes. He(Walsh) even stated as so, back in 2010 that he was going to sign 1 maybe 2 free agents with the cap space HE freed up for the Knicks the last few years. He said Lebron was one Plan A, then he said he Plan B etc.

Plan A) Lebron B)Wade C)Bosh or Boozer D)Nowitzki E)Kobe F)Joe Johnson etc....Z)Amare Stoudemire

All his contingency plans fell through the sewer as everyone shafted the Knicks...Walsh signed STAT in desperation to save face.

Lets be clear, the record speaks for itself so Im not here to defend the legacy, just my interpretation.

I am forever thinking that an owner is the ultimate driver of a team. Nobody signs a 100million player with the health issues and insurance issues without the owners blessing. There are countless owners who are involved in many phases of decisions and I would have to say that the one constant thru the Jimmy era is the starphuch.

Ultimately the job of a president or GM is to take the hit for owner becuase the brand identity has to continue when a change is made. We celebrated Layden departure, Isiah's arrival, his departure, Donnie, and all the coach's over the years because we love our team. When the owner becomes the defacto face of the franchise there is a bigger problem because he won't go away so fast. Cube has made a positive impact and he has his trophy, as did Al Davis of the Raiders, but when it goes bad its hard to wipe the image away unless you hire people around you and fade away.

LIke Steinbrenner did. After a great run in the late 70's George had pissed off Reggie, made the whole Winfield debacle a mess and when he stepped away and let baseball people run things they became a modern dynasty!

Dolan is awful and he won't put his face on the franchise which is a good thing, but that does not mean he does not have big imput thru the organization.

NY and the Knicks have to take a big approach to be successful. Knicks have to compete with other entertainment to attract the $. There are 3 NHL teams, another NBA team, Two NFL teams, Two MLB teams, and minor league baseball and pro soccer. Indy has the Colts and the Pacers. Portand has the Blazers. OKC is also a one team city.

Back to Walsh and the job he did, my take is if you look at the way the Pacers were constructed over the many years there were few where they were bad. Even Isiah as the coach was a regular season success. Walsh's teams were tough and home grown and while no championships, in teh same time frame we did not win either.

So the real question is "who to blame" becomes the real focus? Since Checketts was let go we as fans love to blame the coach's (a long list) and Grunfeld, Layden, Isiah, Donnie and in time Grunfeld will get his. The one constant has been the owner. Dolan made the presentation to Lebron, Dolan was the one who finished the Melo trade when Walsh was resisting the price. Im going to guess Dolan had his hand in Amare. Donnie is long gone.

I started this thread not to rub in the face the knicks were going down but the view that Donnie/Bird have had a long vision and system to which their teams are built. Even bringing in Vogel, the youngest NBA coach and one without the star power is much different than what the knicks do. Woodson was not a starphuch but MDA and to me was a solid addition. The kind of non star moves we should be making!

With Hill's concussion its a sudden turn that gives a glimmer of hope that maybe we can turn this around and in the end the knicks will prevail and Walsh won't have the laugh.

Walsh was at the helm when we signed Amare so if you want to pin it on him I guess its fair game. He has proven to be an organizational kind of guy who never said a bad word about the team or Dolan. He played the MSG game as it is written.

A guy like that I defend because he returned order to the team and paved the way for what we have now. Love my knicks but don't love this roster. That don't make me a hater, its just my take.

I am discouraged the knicks fiscal health is not consistant with what hard core fans want.

I don't agree with some of what you're saying, or conclusions you arrive at but that's a fair take. Dolan's a jackass but he's not a demi-god. People try to pretend like the executives he has hired had no power but their plans were so radically different that they must've had a good amount of autonomy. Layden's agenda was to augment our existing core with past-their-prime-veterans. Isiah's agenda was to build a younger core by continually flipping contracts for marginally better talent. Walsh's agenda was to trade any and everything for cap space. There is little continuity between these 3 plans, so I definitely don't feel that Dolan is as involved with the day-to-day of the team, especially when it comes to signing role players, since he's never been a basketball guy. He probably interfered the one time with the Melo deal but given our track record of ineptitude (including Walsh), wouldn't you be a bit trigger happy? However, Dolan is certainly culpable for the hirings we've made over the years and that I definitely blame him for e.g. Frank Layden over any human being on God's green earth; Isiah Thomas over a Jerry West; Walsh over a Jerry Colanegelo/Kevin Pritchard/Sam Presti; Mike D'Antoni over a Tom Thibodeau/Rick Adelman, etc.

Ok, Im really not in disagreement with your point.

My take is we hire a Larry Brown who was the highest paid, or close to it at the the time. If Isiah is a basketball man, it should be obvious he is the wrong guy for that roster. Larry was a big name at the time, just off Detroits two trips to finals! So its a starphuch, as was Isiah.

We have passed on Phil Jax back in the day because he was not a proven commidity. We let Thibs go because he was not a star. Dolan hired Layden who might have been a decent judge of talent at one time as part of an organization but to me seems like he was much weaker than Grunfeld who butted heads with Dolan. Grunfeld was a Checketts guy and when Dave left, he had clashed with Dolan. There was a time when Ewing held the team hostage and was in steep decline. It might have hurt to let him walk but in the long run we should have. We hired Donnie Nelson who was the wrong coach for a Ewing team! If Donnie coached the 99' with Camby, spree and Allan it was more to his style. Grunfeld traded Oak for Camby and wanted JVG (ewings guy BTW!)out because he would not play Camby.
JVG is a good coach and when he let loose a bit the team made its 99' run!!! If they don't make the finals JVG dont' get extended and its likely he gets let go. Instead he becomes a fan favorite and Grunfeld already put himself in a corner and had to go.
Im saying that there is a large sequence of bad decisions made regarding who is hired and the decisions not consistant.

MDA was a system guy who was going to run his thing. You pay a guy 24 million not to adapt. Same for Larry. MDA was bought in to coach Lebron and friends, not Amare and Melo. It was clear MDA was miserable in his job. My take is why hire a guy and not feed him the roster he wants. DOn't bring in personal to make decisons or coach rosters that are not condusive to their talents.

For that, I blame Dolan. Dysfuncition usually starts at the top. The whole organizational failure of Isiah, the cap, the taxes,Spree's dimise, Ewings bad exit, Anucha, the trail, the lawyers, the media police they have, Larry's press conference on the highway, Marbury's empowerment and subsequent exile, MDA's hiring, the poorly orchestrated lebron visit (Donnie was weak and Dolan gave a bizzare presention), The bromance with Isiah and many other instances are just not things that happen in a well run franchise.

There is a fear that rebuilding would lose to many fans, revenue and in the face of the nyets its something nobody wants to do.

With seemingly unlimited resources it just seems to be spent on areas that don't tranlate over the years like teams in San Antonio, Indiana, Boston, Miami, and Lakers. All these teams had to have pain from time to time to aquire the assets to rebuild.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

Really think Walsh was the driver to bring in Amare? You really think this is a signiture Walsh move? With everything you know about Dolan, the starphuch manifest, and impatience that this is the kind of contract he would build his legacy on to return to new york and bring a championship?

Everyone entitled to his opinion.

Yes. He(Walsh) even stated as so, back in 2010 that he was going to sign 1 maybe 2 free agents with the cap space HE freed up for the Knicks the last few years. He said Lebron was one Plan A, then he said he Plan B etc.

Plan A) Lebron B)Wade C)Bosh or Boozer D)Nowitzki E)Kobe F)Joe Johnson etc....Z)Amare Stoudemire

All his contingency plans fell through the sewer as everyone shafted the Knicks...Walsh signed STAT in desperation to save face.

I don't think Boozer was ever in the equation. Amare was the 1st free agent he said he reached out too, with hopes that he would help lure Lebron (if memory serves) but, I am damn near certain that Boozer was never in the equation. Nor Wade...no one saw or envisioned Wade leaving Mia.

I mean what owner sleeps through his team's playoff game for god's sake!!!!

He's too busy dreaming about his private yacht time with Zeke!

CrushAlot wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Wow, just read a page of posts where NardDogNation is schooling posters. Walsh definitely hurt the Knicks. That Amare contract is going to kill the next 2 years.

Really think Walsh was the driver to bring in Amare? You really think this is a signiture Walsh move? With everything you know about Dolan, the starphuch manifest, and impatience that this is the kind of contract he would build his legacy on to return to new york and bring a championship?

Everyone entitled to his opinion.

Yes. He(Walsh) even stated as so, back in 2010 that he was going to sign 1 maybe 2 free agents with the cap space HE freed up for the Knicks the last few years. He said Lebron was one Plan A, then he said he Plan B etc.

Plan A) Lebron B)Wade C)Bosh or Boozer D)Nowitzki E)Kobe F)Joe Johnson etc....Z)Amare Stoudemire

All his contingency plans fell through the sewer as everyone shafted the Knicks...Walsh signed STAT in desperation to save face.

I don't think Boozer was ever in the equation. Amare was the 1st free agent he said he reached out too, with hopes that he would help lure Lebron (if memory serves) but, I am damn near certain that Boozer was never in the equation. Nor Wade...no one saw or envisioned Wade leaving Mia.

I think you are right. Wade was rumored to be going to Chicago at the time because his family was there but I don't think he was rumored for NY. Joe Johnson, and LBJ were the big two that I remember for some reason. I just remember being at a carnival and getting a text about the 'Decision' and being really frustrated.

Wade was the 2nd free agent after the pitch to Lebron that Walsh and Dolan made. He visited with NY, not saying he considered signing with NY, but he was clearly 1A to Lebron's 1 in NY's free agent pyramid.

The first person to jump out of Dwyane Wade's black Suburban before his meeting with the Knicks began at 10:05 a.m. Friday was a bald cameraman. Then, another passenger appeared with a boom microphone in hand. Only when his every step into the Peninsula Hotel could be recorded did Wade walk through the revolving door.
"I'm in a New York state of mind," said Wade, a Chicago product.

"The meeting went real good," said Wade, who is represented by CAA. "I'll say this, I'm intrigued."

ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod, the problem with your whole argument is that you give Jimmy too much credit. You think he's some mastermind Dr Evil pulling the puppet strings. That may have been the case during his boy toy's, Isiah Thomas, years to some extent, but the last 3 or 4 years he's been mostly hands off. This is evidenced by the Rangers and Knicks recent resurgence, mostly hands off, and letting his minions to what they're handsomely paid to do.

I mean what owner sleeps through his team's playoff game for god's sake!!!!

He's too busy dreaming about his private yacht time with Zeke!

Dolan is not evil. He is impatient.

Rangers have been a joke the better part of 20 years and the rebuild (from the previous cba) dictated no more starphuching in hockey so they had to rebuild.

His intentions are not bad and never thought he was outright after profit like Donald Sterling was (BTW, when CLippers were debt free he allowed them to spend), and the knicks are far more profitable when winnning!

But what is winning? A championship? Or a team that is buzzing the garden with lots of celebs in the building with great viewership?

Is winning having a Mooby to hype things and take you to the playoffs? Or a championship?

My take is a real rebuild is no guarantee of success so tanking or rebuilding is a losing proposition, there is no guarantee you'll get back your investment. Losing market share is also a gamble because you might not get it back. So if you "starphuch" you do enough to:

Keep interest in the team

Keep hope alive

Have marketable star(S)

Go are round or two to keep advertisers happy and raise tix prices.

Winning teams in the regular season draw better ratings than losing ones.

TBS, ESPN, and ABC games are NBA national contract games.

SO if the team is built for regular season success and make a run in the playoffs its not evil, its just not "all in"!

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod, the problem with your whole argument is that you give Jimmy too much credit. You think he's some mastermind Dr Evil pulling the puppet strings. That may have been the case during his boy toy's, Isiah Thomas, years to some extent, but the last 3 or 4 years he's been mostly hands off. This is evidenced by the Rangers and Knicks recent resurgence, mostly hands off, and letting his minions to what they're handsomely paid to do.

I mean what owner sleeps through his team's playoff game for god's sake!!!!

He's too busy dreaming about his private yacht time with Zeke!

Dolan is not evil. He is impatient.

Rangers have been a joke the better part of 20 years and the rebuild (from the previous cba) dictated no more starphuching in hockey so they had to rebuild.

His intentions are not bad and never thought he was outright after profit like Donald Sterling was (BTW, when CLippers were debt free he allowed them to spend), and the knicks are far more profitable when winnning!

But what is winning? A championship? Or a team that is buzzing the garden with lots of celebs in the building with great viewership?

Is winning having a Mooby to hype things and take you to the playoffs? Or a championship?

My take is a real rebuild is no guarantee of success so tanking or rebuilding is a losing proposition, there is no guarantee you'll get back your investment. Losing market share is also a gamble because you might not get it back. So if you "starphuch" you do enough to:

Keep interest in the team

Keep hope alive

Have marketable star(S)

Go are round or two to keep advertisers happy and raise tix prices.

Winning teams in the regular season draw better ratings than losing ones.

TBS, ESPN, and ABC games are NBA national contract games.

SO if the team is built for regular season success and make a run in the playoffs its not evil, its just not "all in"!

What exactly is all in though? Walsh panicked and oversigned Amare and added the following:

Player Signed Former Team
Amar'e Stoudemire Signed 5 year contract for $100 Million Phoenix Suns
Timofey Mozgov Signed 3 year contract for $9.7 Million Khimki Moscow Region
Raymond Felton Signed 2 year contract for $15.8 Million Charlotte Bobcats
Roger Mason Signed 1 year contract for $1.4 Million San Antonio Spurs
Shawne Williams Signed 1 year contract for $850,000 Dallas Mavericks
Jared Jeffries Undisclosed Houston Rockets
Derrick Brown Undisclosed Charlotte Bobcats

Hardly sounds like the stuff of Starphuck dreams...this is all Donnie Walsh, no Dolan involvement whatsoever.

That team along with Gallo and Wilson was not going anywhere anytime soon. Their ceiling was 7th or 8th seed at best.

If trading your 2 best players before the summer of 2010(Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford) to free up cap space isn't a complete blow up and rebuild, I don't know sheyat!

You can say, Thank God Dolan intervened for the Melo trade, or we'd never even have a chance at being competitive with creaky kneed bad back $100 million STAT.