Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Look, I'm not the type of poster to exempt Melo from any type of criticism. He's struggled with his shot for most of the playoffs.....However, I thought he played well tonite. He missed a few at the end when the game was over that made his fg% look worse than it actually was, BUT, when you have 4 players play a combined 62 mins and combine for 0-11 fgs and 0 pts, you have see how the saying "All hands on deck" didn't apply tonite. You keep defelcting blame for the supporting cast and putting back on Melo, but how can you defend what the rest of this guys did or didn't do in tonites game?

*Note: I'm pretty sure you'll find a way to deflect this post back to Melo aswell....

uptown you think he played well, so ok, lets go with that.. they were still down double digits... He just doesn't bring enough to the table, no intangibles, no defense, he doesn't lift his team in any other way than when he rides that streak of hot shooting which seems to be few and far between...

blaming the supporting cast when this guy made himself a target earlier this year and in the off season is a bit off man....

blkexec wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Thank you!!! You hit the nail on the head!! 1 assist a game in the playoffs and your the superstar? That's inexcusable, you can away with that during the regular season but not in the playoffs. Woodwind only fault is not telling Melo not to pass the ball more often. Supporting cast? Please... If we had Wade and LeBron and lost you'd still say our supporting cast sucks. Our supporting cast is great, Melo just doesn't know how to play team ball. Even Jordan had off games during the playoffs and what did he do? He got his teammates going. It's really simple, in a nutshell Melo doesn't make his teammates better.

Melo is not the problem....nor is he the answer.

What is Melo? Our only true valuable asset. And if you are having problems building around your superstar, who's currently in his prime....You find another star you can build around, and trade Melo to that team, for a Denver type return of solid role players... Or potentially a young stud...

Sorry you don't trade a superstar for role players.

tkf wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Thank you!!! You hit the nail on the head!! 1 assist a game in the playoffs and your the superstar? That's inexcusable, you can away with that during the regular season but not in the playoffs. Woodwind only fault is not telling Melo not to pass the ball more often. Supporting cast? Please... If we had Wade and LeBron and lost you'd still say our supporting cast sucks. Our supporting cast is great, Melo just doesn't know how to play team ball. Even Jordan had off games during the playoffs and what did he do? He got his teammates going. It's really simple, in a nutshell Melo doesn't make his teammates better.

Melo is not the problem....nor is he the answer.

What is Melo? Our only true valuable asset. And if you are having problems building around your superstar, who's currently in his prime....You find another star you can build around, and trade Melo to that team, for a Denver type return of solid role players... Or potentially a young stud...

you will never get a denver deal out of another team unless dolan buys that team.. and no team will trade a young stud for carmelo.. why would they?

but let me say this, he is part of the problem.. he sucks up a huge amount of payroll, and he forces you to either build to suit him or he will whine.... that is what I consider a problem....

Something holds him back.

In general though, i do agree that he is alone in this fight. No teammates and no coach either.

yellowboy90 wrote:How many supporting cast have so many players that play hot potato with the ball at the top of the key so many times. Kidd, Prigs, Novak, Tyson and Shump are so dependent bad offensively at times for different reasons. What kind of starting two guard or three can not attack David West off the dribble or hit an open jumper consistently. The Knicks have a rotation player that has not scored in 7 games and passes up so many open shots off the pass.

THere are a lot of problems both ways but if everyone agrees that they both have failed each other there should not be a problem with people blaming the others as well as Melo.

But it is expected that the supporting cast will have scrappy games because they are exactly that.... A supporting cast, when Melo has a crappy game it turns into 4 on 5 because unless Melo is scoring he ain't doing much else. When I used to play ball if I couldn't hitt I wouash the boards, unfortunately Melo thinks he's above doing anything else but scoring. Problem is everyone thinks we are awesome when we win, when Melo scores we don't lose!! But he can't do it everygame, when he finally figures out how to win without scoring we will have a championship.

Stevo718 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How many supporting cast have so many players that play hot potato with the ball at the top of the key so many times. Kidd, Prigs, Novak, Tyson and Shump are so dependent bad offensively at times for different reasons. What kind of starting two guard or three can not attack David West off the dribble or hit an open jumper consistently. The Knicks have a rotation player that has not scored in 7 games and passes up so many open shots off the pass.

THere are a lot of problems both ways but if everyone agrees that they both have failed each other there should not be a problem with people blaming the others as well as Melo.

But it is expected that the supporting cast will have scrappy games because they are exactly that.... A supporting cast, when Melo has a crappy game it turns into 4 on 5 because unless Melo is scoring he ain't doing much else. When I used to play ball if I couldn't hit a shot I would hustle on defense and crash the boards, unfortunately Melo thinks he's above doing anything else but scoring.

You say that when he had 9 boards a steal and a few deflections doesn't make sense. He has only had one bad game on the boards when he was in foul trouble. Melo in this series has really been the most consistent rebounder especially defensively.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How many supporting cast have so many players that play hot potato with the ball at the top of the key so many times. Kidd, Prigs, Novak, Tyson and Shump are so dependent bad offensively at times for different reasons. What kind of starting two guard or three can not attack David West off the dribble or hit an open jumper consistently. The Knicks have a rotation player that has not scored in 7 games and passes up so many open shots off the pass.

THere are a lot of problems both ways but if everyone agrees that they both have failed each other there should not be a problem with people blaming the others as well as Melo.

But it is expected that the supporting cast will have scrappy games because they are exactly that.... A supporting cast, when Melo has a crappy game it turns into 4 on 5 because unless Melo is scoring he ain't doing much else. When I used to play ball if I couldn't hit a shot I would hustle on defense and crash the boards, unfortunately Melo thinks he's above doing anything else but scoring.

You say that when he had 9 boards a steal and a few deflections doesn't make sense. He has only had one bad game on the boards when he was in foul trouble. Melo in this series has really been the most consistent rebounder especially defensively.

That's one game, but who else we got besides Chandler that's plays 30 minutes a game and rebounds? It's almost by default that he should have decent rebounding numbers.

TeamBall wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Look, I'm not the type of poster to exempt Melo from any type of criticism. He's struggled with his shot for most of the playoffs.....However, I thought he played well tonite. He missed a few at the end when the game was over that made his fg% look worse than it actually was, BUT, when you have 4 players play a combined 62 mins and combine for 0-11 fgs and 0 pts, you have see how the saying "All hands on deck" didn't apply tonite. You keep defelcting blame for the supporting cast and putting back on Melo, but how can you defend what the rest of this guys did or didn't do in tonites game?

*Note: I'm pretty sure you'll find a way to deflect this post back to Melo aswell....

uptown you think he played well, so ok, lets go with that.. they were still down double digits... He just doesn't bring enough to the table, no intangibles, no defense, he doesn't lift his team in any other way than when he rides that streak of hot shooting which seems to be few and far between...

blaming the supporting cast when this guy made himself a target earlier this year and in the off season is a bit off man....

Why cant it be the team as a whole? I dont blame Melo at all for the 2 previous playoff series but after his game 4 performance in Boston, ive been pretty down on him. He didnt play well but neither did a lot of guys so why make it about when person? Basketballs about the team.

hes paid to be a star, wants to be a leader. those 2 items will force the critical light to shine on him even more. you dont expect him to be treated like they 8th guy off the bench when it comes to taking heat, justified or not? in the end, the media amplifies the heat (ny stage and all) and to me its expected.

Yeah, thats the media. Im talking about us. We saw the games. We know what happened. We're not getting paid to create headlines that sell papers or get website traffic. Im not saying Melo was good. But, outside of a couple of guys, no one else was either.

its hard to ignore the $ and the leadership claims from my take. i expect leader/captains on pro teams to take heat when the team isnt doing so well and probably other times as well. im not bothered if folks arent happy with him or dont like him. in the end, he is either gonna step up and not go out meekly or folks who dont like him and the media are gonna have a field day. most likely he is gonna get torn up anyways though.

in my younger days i might have cared more maybe... not so much now. i realize i cant make them play better just cuz i want them to. i have no control over the play and reaction of media/fans.

sidsanders wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Melo has done his part. He has made this team relevant getting them their first playoff win in over a decade last year and leading them to the 2nd round this year. We have had pleasant surprises like Felton, shumpert, and prig and hopefully shumpert can take some notes from George and grow into a bigger role. Melo was on his own once again with the other stars failing him. Regardless to how this series ends, he did his part and deserves more reliable help.

this is where you lose me with this argument..

have you ever thought it may be carmelo failing his supporting cast?

Exactly. How can a supporting cast play well when you have a guy taking 25 shots and averaging 1 assist a game? Has a supporting cast *ever* looked good under that kind of scenario? It's not like they can't hit a shot. His teammates have been shooting in the mid 40s from the field this post-season.

Look, I'm not the type of poster to exempt Melo from any type of criticism. He's struggled with his shot for most of the playoffs.....However, I thought he played well tonite. He missed a few at the end when the game was over that made his fg% look worse than it actually was, BUT, when you have 4 players play a combined 62 mins and combine for 0-11 fgs and 0 pts, you have see how the saying "All hands on deck" didn't apply tonite. You keep defelcting blame for the supporting cast and putting back on Melo, but how can you defend what the rest of this guys did or didn't do in tonites game?

*Note: I'm pretty sure you'll find a way to deflect this post back to Melo aswell....

uptown you think he played well, so ok, lets go with that.. they were still down double digits... He just doesn't bring enough to the table, no intangibles, no defense, he doesn't lift his team in any other way than when he rides that streak of hot shooting which seems to be few and far between...

blaming the supporting cast when this guy made himself a target earlier this year and in the off season is a bit off man....

Why cant it be the team as a whole? I dont blame Melo at all for the 2 previous playoff series but after his game 4 performance in Boston, ive been pretty down on him. He didnt play well but neither did a lot of guys so why make it about when person? Basketballs about the team.

hes paid to be a star, wants to be a leader. those 2 items will force the critical light to shine on him even more. you dont expect him to be treated like they 8th guy off the bench when it comes to taking heat, justified or not? in the end, the media amplifies the heat (ny stage and all) and to me its expected.

Yeah, thats the media. Im talking about us. We saw the games. We know what happened. We're not getting paid to create headlines that sell papers or get website traffic. Im not saying Melo was good. But, outside of a couple of guys, no one else was either.

its hard to ignore the $ and the leadership claims from my take. i expect leader/captains on pro teams to take heat when the team isnt doing so well and probably other times as well. im not bothered if folks arent happy with him or dont like him. in the end, he is either gonna step up and not go out meekly or folks who dont like him and the media are gonna have a field day. most likely he is gonna get torn up anyways though.

in my younger days i might have cared more maybe... not so much now. i realize i cant make them play better just cuz i want them to. i have no control over the play and reaction of media/fans.