VCoug wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:You're definitely right about us not necessarily having many assets to obtain an elite floor distributor. What we need to do is get creative and figure out how to leverage other teams' situations to improve our bottom line. For instance, the Raptors leveraged the situation of the Grizzlies and Pistons to obtain Rudy Gay, a far superior player to anything they gave up. We should be looking at malcontents with superior talent in the league (e.g. Brandon Jennings, Pau Gasol, Danny Granger, etc.) and figure out ways of redirecting them to other teams in order to get what we want (e.g. Rajon Rondo).

As much as our players are underperforming, I think the bulk of their failures rests on Woodson's shoulders. The guy has historically been an awful playoff coach and is cementing that reputation here in New York. His pre-game and in-game adjustments are atrocious, two skills that are imperative for playoff success.

Grunwald has to be on his game with that one. He'd also have to basically give up on Ray as the PG. Also, I see what you're saying about Woodson. I dont want to put too much blame on him though especially since he cant make Chandler play like he has some balls. I am concerned that the team can just keep randomly coming out with a lack of effort though. I dont know who shoulders the blame with that one.

I thought the already had given up on Felton as pg? He's been playing sg for a while now.

TeamBall wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:You're definitely right about us not necessarily having many assets to obtain an elite floor distributor. What we need to do is get creative and figure out how to leverage other teams' situations to improve our bottom line. For instance, the Raptors leveraged the situation of the Grizzlies and Pistons to obtain Rudy Gay, a far superior player to anything they gave up. We should be looking at malcontents with superior talent in the league (e.g. Brandon Jennings, Pau Gasol, Danny Granger, etc.) and figure out ways of redirecting them to other teams in order to get what we want (e.g. Rajon Rondo).

As much as our players are underperforming, I think the bulk of their failures rests on Woodson's shoulders. The guy has historically been an awful playoff coach and is cementing that reputation here in New York. His pre-game and in-game adjustments are atrocious, two skills that are imperative for playoff success.

Grunwald has to be on his game with that one. He'd also have to basically give up on Ray as the PG. Also, I see what you're saying about Woodson. I dont want to put too much blame on him though especially since he cant make Chandler play like he has some balls. I am concerned that the team can just keep randomly coming out with a lack of effort though. I dont know who shoulders the blame with that one.

Like what some poster said, I think Felton is better suited as a combo guard than a lead guard. I see him as our Jason Terry/Jason Kidd (1st half of our season version), without as good of a jump shot.

And Chandler has played like **** this playoffs but I think that's a combination of him being really banged up and Woodson's poor adjustments. If you look at Tyson's recent body of work, he's an effective player so I believe the issue must be the coaching.

playa2 wrote:I kind of understand where Tyson is coming from, this type of comment should have come from a pg Prigioni Or Felton.

This is just what the Dr ordered, I thought these comments of Chandler were very punctual.

We need this kind of shake up, now guys HAVE to play the right way including Tyson himself.

Our coach wants Job security, he can't make those kind of statements, Kidd maybe should have made these comments , but he's almost out the door.

I go on record and say the comments Tyson makes here will catapult the knicks to the next round of the playoffs.

What a psychology move by Tyson Chandler and to think he only has a high school education, straight out of COMPTON CALIFORNIA!

Honestly, Chandler's comments sounded like someone who was butt hurt that Hibbert abused him like a red headed step child. Dude got completely destroyed by Hibbert and was defenseless to do a dam thing about it. Hibbert took Chandler too school.

Chandler should have commented on HIMSELF and not anyone else.

Uptown wrote:Speaking of ball movement, I find it interesting that everyone assumes Chandler is speaking directly to Melo who only took 16 shots, but no one mentions Amare who put up 8 shots in 8 mins...

Tyson needs to worry about himself, but no way he was talking about Amare. At least Amare was playing with energy. Shump was giving lots of energy too. Felton was a big culprit since he wasn't pushing the ball or playing with any energy. The ball and player movement has been the key to our success all year. Don't understand how we can leave 2 of our best 3pt shooters on the bench either. Novak and Cope had been part of the teams success and 2 guys who should be included in the sets. Run some actual plays where you set screens for these guys

playa2 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:playa2,

Honestly, Chandler's comments sounded like someone who was butt hurt that Hibbert abused him like a red headed step child. Dude got completely destroyed by Hibbert and was defenseless to do a dam thing about it. Hibbert took Chandler too school.

Chandler should have commented on HIMSELF and not anyone else.

Chandler and everybody else knows he got destroyed by Hibbert, but the point he made was valid. We held Indiana to 82 points we only scored 71.

If you go back and look at game two the team was knocking down shots not Just Melo, and then at the end Melo was unconscious and put the Pacers out of their misery.

Woody , Melo and the pt gods have to get it together and coach and play the right way.

Even in rec ball , when you get role players involved into the game offensively, they will scrap for you the entire game defensively. On the flip slide when there is minimal ball movement role players become less assertive as the game goes on.

You do know that the Pacers coaching staff has access to the same game film of game 2 as you do. I'm sure they reviewed it, dissected it, pulled it apart and put it back together again. You have to be a novice to the game if you believed the Knicks would get the same looks in game 3 that they got in game 2. The playoffs is about making adjustments. The Pacers lost game 2 so they adjusted. We lost game 3 and now the ball is in our court....

Uptown wrote:

playa2 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:playa2,

Honestly, Chandler's comments sounded like someone who was butt hurt that Hibbert abused him like a red headed step child. Dude got completely destroyed by Hibbert and was defenseless to do a dam thing about it. Hibbert took Chandler too school.

Chandler should have commented on HIMSELF and not anyone else.

Chandler and everybody else knows he got destroyed by Hibbert, but the point he made was valid. We held Indiana to 82 points we only scored 71.

If you go back and look at game two the team was knocking down shots not Just Melo, and then at the end Melo was unconscious and put the Pacers out of their misery.

Woody , Melo and the pt gods have to get it together and coach and play the right way.

Even in rec ball , when you get role players involved into the game offensively, they will scrap for you the entire game defensively. On the flip slide when there is minimal ball movement role players become less assertive as the game goes on.

You do know that the Pacers caoching staff has access to this same game film of game 2 as you do. I'm sure they reviewed it, dissected it, pulled it apart and put it back together again. Ypou have to be a novice to the game if you believed the Knicks would get the same looks in game 3 that they got in game 2. The playoffs is about making agjustments. The Pacers lost game 2 so they adjusted. We lost game 3 and now the ball is in our court....

All we did was pass the ball around and force Indiana to actually run around and play defense for a change in game two. You are right teams do make adjustments, but the same players are on the floor. Hibbert wasn't getting doubled, that was the game plan that Woodson put out, so without him getting off they wouldn't have been that great on the perimeter.

Game three guys just held the ball and dribbled, but the two players who shoot 3's and pass the ball didn't play when we needed them (Copeland -Novak).

playa2 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

playa2 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:playa2,

Honestly, Chandler's comments sounded like someone who was butt hurt that Hibbert abused him like a red headed step child. Dude got completely destroyed by Hibbert and was defenseless to do a dam thing about it. Hibbert took Chandler too school.

Chandler should have commented on HIMSELF and not anyone else.

Chandler and everybody else knows he got destroyed by Hibbert, but the point he made was valid. We held Indiana to 82 points we only scored 71.

If you go back and look at game two the team was knocking down shots not Just Melo, and then at the end Melo was unconscious and put the Pacers out of their misery.

Woody , Melo and the pt gods have to get it together and coach and play the right way.

Even in rec ball , when you get role players involved into the game offensively, they will scrap for you the entire game defensively. On the flip slide when there is minimal ball movement role players become less assertive as the game goes on.

You do know that the Pacers caoching staff has access to this same game film of game 2 as you do. I'm sure they reviewed it, dissected it, pulled it apart and put it back together again. Ypou have to be a novice to the game if you believed the Knicks would get the same looks in game 3 that they got in game 2. The playoffs is about making agjustments. The Pacers lost game 2 so they adjusted. We lost game 3 and now the ball is in our court....

All we did was pass the ball around and force Indiana to actually run around and play defense for a change in game two. You are right teams do make adjustments, but the same players are on the floor. Hibbert wasn't getting doubled, that was the game plan that Woodson put out, so without him getting off they wouldn't have been that great on the perimeter.

Game three guys just held the ball and dribbled, but the two players who shoot 3's and pass the ball didn't play when we needed them (Copeland -Novak).

Novak and Cope had zero impact on game two. The difference from what I saw was our defensive game plan. In game two we trapped out high, and pressured the guards into turnovers (21) which led to a ton of open court points for us. The turnovers allowed us to get away from the grind of their halfcourt defense and allowed us to score in transition. We didn't see any fastbreak opportunities in game 3. We also didn't attack their guards and instead, we attacked the interior leaving their perimeter players open for looks without any pressure on them.

The Pacers were perhaps the best halfcourt defensive team in the league. The way to beat pressure halfcourt defense is to push the ball down the floor before they can set up. We were able to do that somewhat, in game 2 by forcing turnovers. If we walk the ball up the court, and dont force turnovers we will see another low %, eyesore of a game. If you noticed in game 2, after scoring some in transition, it got some of our guys some confidence and opened up the game some. Now the game is more free-flowing, confidence is up and guys are letting it fly without thinking about it much. The pressure in game 2 also put the Pacers back on their heels as the guards were worried about protecting the ball moreso than running whatever play was called from the bench.

Again, we need to see more pressure and trapping of the guards, and push when the opportunity presents itself. Whats the point of putting out the smaller lineup if we are not going to take advantage of our speed, especially with West trying to cover Shump on the cross-matchup....

Uptown wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

playa2 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:playa2,

Honestly, Chandler's comments sounded like someone who was butt hurt that Hibbert abused him like a red headed step child. Dude got completely destroyed by Hibbert and was defenseless to do a dam thing about it. Hibbert took Chandler too school.

Chandler should have commented on HIMSELF and not anyone else.

Chandler and everybody else knows he got destroyed by Hibbert, but the point he made was valid. We held Indiana to 82 points we only scored 71.

If you go back and look at game two the team was knocking down shots not Just Melo, and then at the end Melo was unconscious and put the Pacers out of their misery.

Woody , Melo and the pt gods have to get it together and coach and play the right way.

Even in rec ball , when you get role players involved into the game offensively, they will scrap for you the entire game defensively. On the flip slide when there is minimal ball movement role players become less assertive as the game goes on.

You do know that the Pacers caoching staff has access to this same game film of game 2 as you do. I'm sure they reviewed it, dissected it, pulled it apart and put it back together again. Ypou have to be a novice to the game if you believed the Knicks would get the same looks in game 3 that they got in game 2. The playoffs is about making agjustments. The Pacers lost game 2 so they adjusted. We lost game 3 and now the ball is in our court....

All we did was pass the ball around and force Indiana to actually run around and play defense for a change in game two. You are right teams do make adjustments, but the same players are on the floor. Hibbert wasn't getting doubled, that was the game plan that Woodson put out, so without him getting off they wouldn't have been that great on the perimeter.

Game three guys just held the ball and dribbled, but the two players who shoot 3's and pass the ball didn't play when we needed them (Copeland -Novak).

Novak and Cope had zero impact on game two. The difference from what I saw was our defensive game plan. In game two we trapped out high, and pressured the guards into turnovers (21) which led to a ton of open court points for us. The turnovers allowed us to get away from the grind of their halfcourt defense and allowed us to score in transition. We didn't see any fastbreak opportunities in game 3. We also didn't attack their guards and instead, we attacked the interior leaving their perimeter players open for looks without any pressure on them.

A veteran scout made these comments : Martin and Chandler also need to continue to look for their shot.

In Game 2, Martin hit a jump shot and blew by Hibbert for a layup, and in Game 3, Chandler swished a jumper facing up Hibbert from the foul line.

In addition, Anthony needs to run more pick-and-rolls with the Knicks' bigs. Melo is scoring the most points per pick-and-roll (1.4) in the postseason, but he's only run the play 25 times. With the Pacers challenging him in single coverage, he needs more room to operate.

When Anthony runs the pick-and-roll from the wing, he puts more pressure on the Pacers' perimeter defenders to scramble, therefore creating more 3-point looks. If Melo penetrates, Chandler catches the ball on a roll, or Martin or Stoudemire receive a pass slashing down the baseline, the Pacers will be forced to collapse.

Woodson has heard the, "Will you consider matching up with the Pacers' size?" question since the start of the series, and for good measure. Now, with the Knicks down 2-1, it could be time to activate the bigger lineups more often.