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5/10/2013  8:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2013  8:03 PM
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Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

lol....The Clipper's are in the driver seat as they can pay CP3 the most money, even in a S&T.....

CP3 is deciding whether or not to resign with the Clippers...How are they in the drivers seat...I honestly believe Paul will think about this one..I think he wants a shot at a ring...Drivers are ones making the decisions...

if he wants a ring, you would have to ask, why would he leave a clipper team that is younger, deeper and more talented than the knicks and a lot of other teams to be honest... I mean really, think about it, he could leave himself a nice window to win a ring if he stayed put....

...because potential doesn't make a contender. What the Clippers are now, is nothing more than flash with little substance. Griffin is a pretty good player but is he anything appreciably better than what Paul had in David West in New Orleans? You still win in this league with star potential and outside of Griffin, who is more a star off the court than on it, is not capable of being a guy that can carry a team; which puts the onus squarely on Paul's shoulders.

That being said, I think the Clippers can be the ideal situation for Paul but that would come from the possible trades they can make using their "potential" to bring back capable veterans. Otherwise, I don't see Paul being too keen on babysitting the youngin's until they decide to mature as basketball players while letting the best years of his career slip away. Its counter to his competitive spirit and the culture of this generation that favors winning on superteams while still in one's prime.

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5/10/2013  8:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2013  8:02 PM
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
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tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

lol....The Clipper's are in the driver seat as they can pay CP3 the most money, even in a S&T.....

CP3 is deciding whether or not to resign with the Clippers...How are they in the drivers seat...I honestly believe Paul will think about this one..I think he wants a shot at a ring...Drivers are ones making the decisions...

I think they are in the driver's seat because he makes an extra 25 million if he resigns there. Similar to DWil who I think would have left if the money wasn't so discrepant.

But it's not up to them where he plays...They have no more decisions to make if he decides to walk which he could do...To be clear, Knicks don't have a shot but CP3...It think he will consider going elsewhere and the 25 mil won't be the deciding factor...

I don't see many other teams that have a legit shot to get him that are actually in a better position, talent wise than the clippers..

I think u are way over rating the Clippers talent...Blake is like Amare without the jumper..He needs a good PG to get his looks...He is useless otherwise ...Jordan is disappointing at 10 mil per..Blake is making 17 mil per next year, Clippers can't improve if they resign Paul..So that team is fixed as is...

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5/10/2013  8:16 PM
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VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.


VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

Timeout! The Knicks can theoretically make a trade with the Clippers as soon as they are out the playoffs. And since neither Paul's or JR's contract expires until July 1st, we wouldn't be doing a sign and trade but a regular trade.

No, the trade deadline has already passed. When teams are allowed to make trades again any players in the final year of their contract will be free agents.

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5/10/2013  8:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2013  8:32 PM
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.


VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

Timeout! The Knicks can theoretically make a trade with the Clippers as soon as they are out the playoffs. And since neither Paul's or JR's contract expires until July 1st, we wouldn't be doing a sign and trade but a regular trade.

No, the trade deadline has already passed. When teams are allowed to make trades again any players in the final year of their contract will be free agents.

If that were the case then teams would not be able to make draft day trades with actual players, which we know isn't the case. We traded for Antonio McDyess on draft night. We traded for Quentin Richardson on draft night. The provision could not have been changed with the new CBA because the Mavs traded Kelenna Azubuike and the 17th pick (Tyler Zeller)to the Cavs for three draft picks in the most recent draft. The draft is usually June 26th or 28th and free agency doesn't start until after that (July 6th or something).

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5/10/2013  8:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2013  8:37 PM
For those who thinks there is a slim possibility of this happening, how would you get it done? I'm curious.

Just throwing it out there, Brandon Jennings might look to leave the Bucks this summer. Maybe we could use he/the Bucks as leverage for Paul, where the Clippers somehow end up with Jennings and Iman Shumpert. It still isn't close to market value for Paul but teams never receive equal value when trading stars.

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5/10/2013  9:59 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.


VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

Timeout! The Knicks can theoretically make a trade with the Clippers as soon as they are out the playoffs. And since neither Paul's or JR's contract expires until July 1st, we wouldn't be doing a sign and trade but a regular trade.

No, the trade deadline has already passed. When teams are allowed to make trades again any players in the final year of their contract will be free agents.

If that were the case then teams would not be able to make draft day trades with actual players, which we know isn't the case. We traded for Antonio McDyess on draft night. We traded for Quentin Richardson on draft night. The provision could not have been changed with the new CBA because the Mavs traded Kelenna Azubuike and the 17th pick (Tyler Zeller)to the Cavs for three draft picks in the most recent draft. The draft is usually June 26th or 28th and free agency doesn't start until after that (July 6th or something).

All of those trades involved players that were under contract for the next season. The way NBA contracts are worded is that they expire between 1 day and 1 week of the end of the Finals.

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5/10/2013  11:16 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:You can't trade stat all you can do is hope he can stay healthy a full year and continue to progress as a low post player. Hopefully his jump shot comes back too. Then you have to hope that with a complete off-season together everyone can gel together. Hopefully as a 25-30 min guy you can prolong STAT playing career.

As for Paul. The only way he comes is if he takes less money and force the Clips hand of a sign and trade. However, the knicks can't sign and trade without getting under the tax. So who to trade to a third team? Chandler, nope we need to work with Paul. You need the assets you would trade to get Paul.

You can trade anyone in the league. The question is if you'd be willing to take back whatever is being offered in return. I personally think we'd have a shot at interesting Milwaukee in Amare because they seem desperate to build a winner and shown to be willing to take on high priced gambles in the past.

Another team I think that would be interested in Amare's services would be the Nets. First off, Billy King is an idiot and has no sense for a player's market value (see the following signings: Travis Outlaw, Gerald Wallace (the trade and re-signing), Jordan Farmer, Johan Petro, Kenny Thomas, Glen Robinson, Willie Green and the list goes on). The guy would make Isiah Thomas blush. Second, the luxury tax does not seem to phase Prokhorov, which has locked them in luxury tax hell. They took on Joe Johnson's $20 million/yr contract for 16ppg, 3rpg and 4apg. Why not Amare's? It may not pay dividends on the court but plays into the rivalry between both teams, which resonates deep in fan bases and consequently his checkbook.

I agree that King took on some big contracts this year in Wallace and Johnson but the Nets kept striking out in free agency. He also took a huge risk in trading for DWill without a commitment but the new cba and possibly his moves made it too hard for Williams to leave. King's owner wants a fantasy team and a team that would keep Deron. Deron isn't staying in NJ because the Nets might draft a guy that turns out to be a talent like Lillard. King did what he had to do. NJ/BK is screwed cap wise but King was given a directive and he followed it. That being said Johnson has a bad contract but he doesn't have uninsureable knees and he doesn't have a time line for his knees to give out like Amare. King takes risks but he isn't a dumb bunny.
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5/11/2013  9:49 AM
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.


VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

It might work but we'd still be losing JR.

Timeout! The Knicks can theoretically make a trade with the Clippers as soon as they are out the playoffs. And since neither Paul's or JR's contract expires until July 1st, we wouldn't be doing a sign and trade but a regular trade.

No, the trade deadline has already passed. When teams are allowed to make trades again any players in the final year of their contract will be free agents.

If that were the case then teams would not be able to make draft day trades with actual players, which we know isn't the case. We traded for Antonio McDyess on draft night. We traded for Quentin Richardson on draft night. The provision could not have been changed with the new CBA because the Mavs traded Kelenna Azubuike and the 17th pick (Tyler Zeller)to the Cavs for three draft picks in the most recent draft. The draft is usually June 26th or 28th and free agency doesn't start until after that (July 6th or something).

All of those trades involved players that were under contract for the next season. The way NBA contracts are worded is that they expire between 1 day and 1 week of the end of the Finals.

Good find. I suppose that we have to pray for a really, really, really long NBA Finals then lol.

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5/11/2013  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/11/2013  10:12 AM
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NardDogNation wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:You can't trade stat all you can do is hope he can stay healthy a full year and continue to progress as a low post player. Hopefully his jump shot comes back too. Then you have to hope that with a complete off-season together everyone can gel together. Hopefully as a 25-30 min guy you can prolong STAT playing career.

As for Paul. The only way he comes is if he takes less money and force the Clips hand of a sign and trade. However, the knicks can't sign and trade without getting under the tax. So who to trade to a third team? Chandler, nope we need to work with Paul. You need the assets you would trade to get Paul.

You can trade anyone in the league. The question is if you'd be willing to take back whatever is being offered in return. I personally think we'd have a shot at interesting Milwaukee in Amare because they seem desperate to build a winner and shown to be willing to take on high priced gambles in the past.

Another team I think that would be interested in Amare's services would be the Nets. First off, Billy King is an idiot and has no sense for a player's market value (see the following signings: Travis Outlaw, Gerald Wallace (the trade and re-signing), Jordan Farmer, Johan Petro, Kenny Thomas, Glen Robinson, Willie Green and the list goes on). The guy would make Isiah Thomas blush. Second, the luxury tax does not seem to phase Prokhorov, which has locked them in luxury tax hell. They took on Joe Johnson's $20 million/yr contract for 16ppg, 3rpg and 4apg. Why not Amare's? It may not pay dividends on the court but plays into the rivalry between both teams, which resonates deep in fan bases and consequently his checkbook.

I agree that King took on some big contracts this year in Wallace and Johnson but the Nets kept striking out in free agency. He also took a huge risk in trading for DWill without a commitment but the new cba and possibly his moves made it too hard for Williams to leave. King's owner wants a fantasy team and a team that would keep Deron. Deron isn't staying in NJ because the Nets might draft a guy that turns out to be a talent like Lillard. King did what he had to do. NJ/BK is screwed cap wise but King was given a directive and he followed it. That being said Johnson has a bad contract but he doesn't have uninsureable knees and he doesn't have a time line for his knees to give out like Amare. King takes risks but he isn't a dumb bunny.

I can't sympathize with King. He has had a track record since his days in Philadelphia of grossly overpaying players of marginal talent, so this is nothing new or stress induced. He even did this in New Jersey before Prokhorov arrived on the scene (see Travis Outlaw, Jordan Farmar and Johan Petro). The guy is just a bad GM, which lead to his firing in Philly and will soon lead to his firing in Brooklyn.

What made the Gerald Wallace trade particularly awful is that they could have just as easily waited to the draft to pull off that move (to better ascertain the talent at the pick) OR easily could've signed Wallace outright in free agency. Who the hell else wanted to pay a 31 year old hustle player $10 million+/yr for several years?

And I understand the Joe's contract is insured, while Amare's is not but does that make a big difference for the Nets? Prokhorov is the richest owner in the NBA and has shown no aversion to spending big on thrills. He could just as easily assume the full burden of Amare's contract and still eat plenty. I personally think that Amare is a better ballplayer than Johnson, if he's healthy, so I could see them making the move for pennies on the dollar. We'd just have to add some extra incentives and be willing to take back, whatever **** players they'd offer in return; I'm looking at you Kris Humphries.

P.S., I personally think that Billy King is under-the-gun. The Nets were woefully disappointing this season and had two coaches fired as a result. Its only a matter of time before King is put on the hot seat and given his track record for trades, I think there is a good chance he swings for the fences at any/and everything. What better fast ball to swing at than an all-star caliber big man willing to come off the bench? Like I said, we'd have to sweeten the deal but I can see it happening.

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5/11/2013  10:44 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

lol....The Clipper's are in the driver seat as they can pay CP3 the most money, even in a S&T.....

CP3 is deciding whether or not to resign with the Clippers...How are they in the drivers seat...I honestly believe Paul will think about this one..I think he wants a shot at a ring...Drivers are ones making the decisions...

if he wants a ring, you would have to ask, why would he leave a clipper team that is younger, deeper and more talented than the knicks and a lot of other teams to be honest... I mean really, think about it, he could leave himself a nice window to win a ring if he stayed put....

...because potential doesn't make a contender. What the Clippers are now, is nothing more than flash with little substance. Griffin is a pretty good player but is he anything appreciably better than what Paul had in David West in New Orleans? You still win in this league with star potential and outside of Griffin, who is more a star off the court than on it, is not capable of being a guy that can carry a team; which puts the onus squarely on Paul's shoulders.

That being said, I think the Clippers can be the ideal situation for Paul but that would come from the possible trades they can make using their "potential" to bring back capable veterans. Otherwise, I don't see Paul being too keen on babysitting the youngin's until they decide to mature as basketball players while letting the best years of his career slip away. Its counter to his competitive spirit and the culture of this generation that favors winning on superteams while still in one's prime.

Lets get this straight.. the clippers are a good team.. plain and simple, winning sometimes is a progression, by no means is that team a "flash" what evidence is there of that... and next, blake griffin is a good player.. not the biggest fan of his, but he is very good.. David west at his best was a 20/8 player for a year and that was at age 28.. blake as a rookie was a 22/12 player shooting 50% from the field...


..because potential doesn't make a contender. What the Clippers are now, is nothing more than flash with little substance. Griffin is a pretty good player but is he anything appreciably better than what Paul had in David West in New Orleans? You still win in this league with star potential and outside of Griffin, who is more a star off the court than on it, is not capable of being a guy that can carry a team; which puts the onus squarely on Paul's shoulders.

you are trying really hard here it seems.. but you win in this league with good teams...Blake griffin has star potential, not sure what you are looking at, and I am not sure there are many other places paul can go and play with this much talent, young talent that has now gained some playoff experience...take NY out of the picture because we don't have near the talent or upside as the clippers.. so where do you think paul can go, that willput him in a better position? and remember that team has to be able to trade for him without gutting their team of assets, or else why do it... not many places, not many teams that are in position to contend..

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5/11/2013  11:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/11/2013  11:20 AM
tkf wrote:Lets get this straight.. the clippers are a good team.. plain and simple, winning sometimes is a progression, by no means is that team a "flash" what evidence is there of that... and next, blake griffin is a good player.. not the biggest fan of his, but he is very good.. David west at his best was a 20/8 player for a year and that was at age 28.. blake as a rookie was a 22/12 player shooting 50% from the field...

My evidence of the Clippers being a "flash"? The fact that they were thoroughly outmatched by their first round opponent and appeared woefully mediocre without Chris Paul. During the regular season, the Clippers went 6-6 (losing to teams like Toronto, Portland, Washington and Phoenix)without Chris Paul in the lineup and suffered similarly mediocre outputs with him playing subpar or on the bench. He is that team's everything for all the "talent" that team supposedly has.

And I personally think that the David West/Blake Griffin is a prime example of stats presenting an incomplete story. Griffin's far and away the flashier player but when it comes to the intangibles e.g. screen setting ability, playing physical defense, ability to spread the floor, make free throws and bang in the paint, West is the better player. If I wanted to win NOW I'd pick West for those reasons because what he lacks in talent, he makes up for with everything I just mentioned. Those qualities are what win playoff games/series (ask the Nets who lost to the Bulls because of it)and West has ALWAYS been that type of intangibles guy, with stats in the neighborhood of Griffin. If you're building a franchise though, you go with Blake since he'll have the longer shelve-life but is the long term health of the Clippers a primary concern for Paul or is his ability to win a championship with them?

tkf wrote:you are trying really hard here it seems.. but you win in this league with good teams...Blake griffin has star potential, not sure what you are looking at, and I am not sure there are many other places paul can go and play with this much talent, young talent that has now gained some playoff experience...take NY out of the picture because we don't have near the talent or upside as the clippers.. so where do you think paul can go, that willput him in a better position? and remember that team has to be able to trade for him without gutting their team of assets, or else why do it... not many places, not many teams that are in position to contend..

There is a difference between "winning" and being a legitimate contender. The Nuggets are a "winning" team but they'll never challenge for a championship. I don't think Paul settles for a "winning" team because he had that in New Orleans and wanted out. Like I said, I think its improbable that he leaves the Clippers because of the CBA; I'm not arguing that point. What I am saying is that I don't think he is satisfied with that team and where there is discontent, there is the perception of greener pastures. For this reason, I don't think its a lock that they retain his services especially if they don't improve their roster and get a real coach(Del Negro blows).

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