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martin
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5/1/2013  2:26 PM
Knixkik wrote:
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AnubisADL wrote:If JR Smith wants to start then he can go. Dude is best off the bench for this team.

That is nonsense. What's the point to bringing him off the bench. Does he forget how to score as a starter? What's really the difference?

How about because the Knicks would like to spread out Melo and JR time so that each can be a focal point of the offense at different times? Obviously there will be some overlap, but Melo and Felton usually are sitting at the beginning of the second and who else can break down a defense off the dribble?

Exactly starting JR makes no sense. If it means he signs with another team so be it

You have Amare and Copeland to replace his quick scoring off the bench. He has been the 2nd best player on this team. He deserves to start. If he plays starting minutes anyways, what does it matter? If he wants to start let him start. The whole starting vs. coming off the bench is so overrated. Let him start if he wants to.

Let's see who disagrees with you: Popovich with Ginobili, Woody with JR, Brooks with Harden. McHale?

There are clear reasons to have a weapon off the bench.

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5/1/2013  2:37 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:If JR Smith wants to start then he can go. Dude is best off the bench for this team.

That is nonsense. What's the point to bringing him off the bench. Does he forget how to score as a starter? What's really the difference?

How about because the Knicks would like to spread out Melo and JR time so that each can be a focal point of the offense at different times? Obviously there will be some overlap, but Melo and Felton usually are sitting at the beginning of the second and who else can break down a defense off the dribble?

Exactly starting JR makes no sense. If it means he signs with another team so be it

You have Amare and Copeland to replace his quick scoring off the bench. He has been the 2nd best player on this team. He deserves to start. If he plays starting minutes anyways, what does it matter? If he wants to start let him start. The whole starting vs. coming off the bench is so overrated. Let him start if he wants to.

Let's see who disagrees with you: Popovich with Ginobili, Woody with JR, Brooks with Harden. McHale?

There are clear reasons to have a weapon off the bench.


But those teams have better players who are suppose to be the second scorer. The reason Ginobili comes off the bench is because of Parker and Westbrook is the reason Harden was the the "sixth man". Three guys like that in your starting line doesn't make sense, so the question is do you think Stat is going to be that guy, because I don't and Woody has pretty much been saying Stat is a 15 minute per game because of the injuries.

So Why bring JR Smith off the bench next season after seeing all the ways he effects the game this season.

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5/1/2013  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/1/2013  2:42 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:If JR Smith wants to start then he can go. Dude is best off the bench for this team.

That is nonsense. What's the point to bringing him off the bench. Does he forget how to score as a starter? What's really the difference?

How about because the Knicks would like to spread out Melo and JR time so that each can be a focal point of the offense at different times? Obviously there will be some overlap, but Melo and Felton usually are sitting at the beginning of the second and who else can break down a defense off the dribble?

Exactly starting JR makes no sense. If it means he signs with another team so be it

You have Amare and Copeland to replace his quick scoring off the bench. He has been the 2nd best player on this team. He deserves to start. If he plays starting minutes anyways, what does it matter? If he wants to start let him start. The whole starting vs. coming off the bench is so overrated. Let him start if he wants to.

Let's see who disagrees with you: Popovich with Ginobili, Woody with JR, Brooks with Harden. McHale?

There are clear reasons to have a weapon off the bench.

I agree. You want Melo to have the first quarter to get into a groove and then you bring in Smith. J.R wouldn't have that same freedom to create early on if they both started and he wouldn't be as effective IMO. He said he doesn't care about starting as long as he gets to finish. If he gets that I could see him staying.

J.R said this last year:

He said he came back because he wanted to win games and doesn't care about winning the Sixth Man Award. Finishing games is still important to him, and he believes he will do that this season. "Finishing the game, you're out there when it really matters," Smith said. "When the clock runs down, when it says zero-zero, you're out there. Whether you won or lost, you can say you did your best. You can't really say that from the bench.

Edit: he did say he wanted to start but finishing is more important to him.
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5/1/2013  2:54 PM
Anji wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:If JR Smith wants to start then he can go. Dude is best off the bench for this team.

That is nonsense. What's the point to bringing him off the bench. Does he forget how to score as a starter? What's really the difference?

How about because the Knicks would like to spread out Melo and JR time so that each can be a focal point of the offense at different times? Obviously there will be some overlap, but Melo and Felton usually are sitting at the beginning of the second and who else can break down a defense off the dribble?

Exactly starting JR makes no sense. If it means he signs with another team so be it

You have Amare and Copeland to replace his quick scoring off the bench. He has been the 2nd best player on this team. He deserves to start. If he plays starting minutes anyways, what does it matter? If he wants to start let him start. The whole starting vs. coming off the bench is so overrated. Let him start if he wants to.

Let's see who disagrees with you: Popovich with Ginobili, Woody with JR, Brooks with Harden. McHale?

There are clear reasons to have a weapon off the bench.


But those teams have better players who are suppose to be the second scorer. The reason Ginobili comes off the bench is because of Parker and Westbrook is the reason Harden was the the "sixth man". Three guys like that in your starting line doesn't make sense, so the question is do you think Stat is going to be that guy, because I don't and Woody has pretty much been saying Stat is a 15 minute per game because of the injuries.

So Why bring JR Smith off the bench next season after seeing all the ways he effects the game this season.

Exactly, JR is our team's 2nd scorer and those guys are not in the same role for their teams.
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5/1/2013  2:56 PM
Exactly the first quarter is for Melo to find his groove. He just has to learn not to force the issue like he did in game 4. Dont hold the ball for the duration of the shotclock. Make a quick move or move the ball and maybe even get it back in his sweet spot
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5/1/2013  3:31 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Anji wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:If JR Smith wants to start then he can go. Dude is best off the bench for this team.

That is nonsense. What's the point to bringing him off the bench. Does he forget how to score as a starter? What's really the difference?

How about because the Knicks would like to spread out Melo and JR time so that each can be a focal point of the offense at different times? Obviously there will be some overlap, but Melo and Felton usually are sitting at the beginning of the second and who else can break down a defense off the dribble?

Exactly starting JR makes no sense. If it means he signs with another team so be it

You have Amare and Copeland to replace his quick scoring off the bench. He has been the 2nd best player on this team. He deserves to start. If he plays starting minutes anyways, what does it matter? If he wants to start let him start. The whole starting vs. coming off the bench is so overrated. Let him start if he wants to.

Let's see who disagrees with you: Popovich with Ginobili, Woody with JR, Brooks with Harden. McHale?

There are clear reasons to have a weapon off the bench.


But those teams have better players who are suppose to be the second scorer. The reason Ginobili comes off the bench is because of Parker and Westbrook is the reason Harden was the the "sixth man". Three guys like that in your starting line doesn't make sense, so the question is do you think Stat is going to be that guy, because I don't and Woody has pretty much been saying Stat is a 15 minute per game because of the injuries.

So Why bring JR Smith off the bench next season after seeing all the ways he effects the game this season.

Exactly, JR is our team's 2nd scorer and those guys are not in the same role for their teams.

Pop still disagrees with you. In 2010-11 Manu starts and is the top scorer on the team, especially if you take the stats on a 36 per minute basis. Next year Pop decides - for the better of the team - that Manu would come off the bench. On a per 36 minute basis he still would be a top scorer.

It's about role and what's better for the team, not minutes or ppg.

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5/1/2013  4:09 PM
The roles are different though, The knicks don't have a another guard that keeps JR on the bench. If we had a guy that scored 17 points per game starting at the point guard, who was every bit as good as Manu, then it would be a similar situation.
The eason Manu doesn't start is because Parker plays a more important role and is at worst scores the ball as good as Manu.

But looking at how JR finished the season, there is no way that a guy that good should be starting the game on the bench when your starting back court is Felton and Shumpert(next season). JR is the second best player on the team, not scorer, not guard, P-l-a-y-e-r.

Who doesn't start that their second best player???

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5/1/2013  4:28 PM
JR gets starter minutes. Who cares other than the big intro?
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5/1/2013  5:07 PM
Nalod wrote:JR gets starter minutes. Who cares other than the big intro?

He cares, like most basketball players do, so why not give him what he deserves after a big season. If for some reason he fails in the role (not sure why he would) then send him back to his bench role. He's a good spot up shooter and a nice fit next to Melo as a 2nd scorer like Amare was supposed to be. If he is finishing games anyways, not starting him is only hurting the overall flow of the team. Only disadvantage really is losing his scoring load off the bench, which Amare and Copeland should fill for the most part moving forward.
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