playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Pro athletes need to keep that to themselves if it's normal for them

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you

Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.

Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.

blkexec wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

blkexec wrote:Actually I never been faced with such an issue. When it comes down to it, I would still guard him gay or not. But my issue is why does his sexual preference matter during a basketball game. The only reason I can think of is to cause a distraction.

If its a chick with a nice body, yes I am easy.

If it's a dude thats gay, but I don't know it, I have no problems.

If it's a dude trying to make a scene that hes gay, either by what he's wearing or how he's acting, yes I have a problem with that.

But maybe I'm alone with this, so again excuse my ignorance.

Hypothetically, what about the gay dude who you only know is gay because of a casual mention, and not because of any stereotypical behavior.

He was your cover, is one of the best players on the court and is a good sportsman, and afterwards while talking about food/drinks after he says something like: "Raincheck, I have to pick up my husband from the train station, but good game, see you next week?"

Would you see him next week?

I don't care if he was MJ. He will be isolated from the majority. He would get pickef on so much, he would stop playing eventually to avoid the drama.

You would think being a homosexual was a terminal disease the way people offer "support." lol.

playa2 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you

Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.

I was waiting for some to attack me Vcoug & Bonn. When others have even used the bible as a reference and all and nobody said nothing to them. Talking about biases this isn't personal among posters right?

I tend to think that people who reference the Bible when speaking against gays are hypocrites. I say this and I am a Christain and love God. However, we (Myself included) all sin on a daily basis. Frequently in horrible ways. Therefore, when we are f'ing this world up that God has provided for us by doing things like sex before marriage, not loving one another as brothers and sisters (As we should be), use the lords name in vein constantly and every single day, not speak up for God when people speak against him, cheat on their husband/wives, murder, steal, display racism and so forth yet say "Hey, you're gay, that goes against the Bible" then that's just making up excuses for your intolerance and how dare I say racism.

Yes, Collins sexuality should be irrelevant but we all know it isn't. That's why it's being made a big deal. As I said before, I hope he finds peace and happiness.

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

playa2 wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.

Fixed that for you.

Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you

Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.

Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.

I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.

I want to be as real as possible about this. First of all I will start like this. I don't know how many African American are on the forum or should I say African American Christians on this forum and if you are a black Christian you know that for religious reasons the majority believe that homosexuality is a sin, wrong, and we are against it. In my church we are against it and that is how we are taught. That is the majority of African Americans. Check out anti marriage bill in California it went down and the majority of blacks voted against it.However it wasn't the blacks fault that it went down in defeat. That is our faith. Now by saying that in my opinion I support gays and feel they should have the same rights as anyone else. Now with me coming from the music business you can't help but be around gay people. And some of my best friends are gay and I don't mean it as a defense of my religion. I also have lots of my church folks who are my friends that are against gay practice. I can't change them and they are not the type of people who would gay bash people it is just their religious belief. I go by whats in my heart and in my heart all men are created equal whether gay or heterosexual.Same for all women too.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I want to be as real as possible about this. First of all I will start like this. I don't know how many African American are on the forum or should I say African American Christians on this forum and if you are a black Christian you know that for religious reasons the majority believe that homosexuality is a sin, wrong, and we are against it. In my church we are against it and that is how we are taught. That is the majority of African Americans. Check out anti marriage bill in California it went down and the majority of blacks voted against it.However it wasn't the blacks fault that it went down in defeat. That is our faith. Now by saying that in my opinion I support gays and feel they should have the same rights as anyone else. Now with me coming from the music business you can't help but be around gay people. And some of my best friends are gay and I don't mean it as a defense of my religion. I also have lots of my church folks who are my friends that are against gay practice. I can't change them and they are not the type of people who would gay bash people it is just their religious belief. I go by whats in my heart and in my heart all men are created equal whether gay of heterosexual.Same for all women too.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I want to be as real as possible about this. First of all I will start like this. I don't know how many African American are on the forum or should I say African American Christians on this forum and if you are a black Christian you know that for religious reasons the majority believe that homosexuality is a sin, wrong, and we are against it. In my church we are against it and that is how we are taught. That is the majority of African Americans. Check out anti marriage bill in California it went down and the majority of blacks voted against it.However it wasn't the blacks fault that it went down in defeat. That is our faith. Now by saying that in my opinion I support gays and feel they should have the same rights as anyone else. Now with me coming from the music business you can't help but be around gay people. And some of my best friends are gay and I don't mean it as a defense of my religion. I also have lots of my church folks who are my friends that are against gay practice. I can't change them and they are not the type of people who would gay bash people it is just their religious belief. I go by whats in my heart and in my heart all men are created equal whether gay of heterosexual.Same for all women too.

I agree with your message of equality. Note that the California case was about 5 years ago and opinions have rapidly moved on this issue. In a 2013 NBC poll, it was 51-37 in favor of gay marriage among blacks. 59% were in favor in a 2012 ABC poll.

Bonn1997 I hope you are right.