ruruland

April 23, 2013 at 12:17 am

Talked about this with Herring earlier. Obviously the normal disclaimer: Love Chandler, think he’s an excellent player in a lot of ways and I understand he had flu last year and bulging disc could be problem.

But check out his playoff numbers in Knicks career.

Per 36: 5.9 points, 44 fg%, 60 ft %, .491 TS, 9.5 rbds, 1.3 blocks, 2.9 turnovers, 1.2 steals.

I don’t care how active Chandler is on defense (we know he hasn’t protected rim well, go back and watch him watch layup line in Miami series) or how much of a threat he is on dive (which it seems Martin and all high screeners in 4-out at least come close to replicating), or how well he sets screens, it’s virtually impossible to have a positive impact on the game with those numbers.

But how does that compare to his career playoff history?

It’s normal for most players to see precipitous declines in efficiency during post-season, but Chandler has had drops in two critical categories — rebounds % (18.4-16.6) block % (3.7-3.3)….

And he has a career 11.1 usage in the playoffs and has nearly half as many turnovers as field goals made.

And check this, since his first playoff year in Chicago where he actually tried a post move or two, has scored in single digits in 37 of 53 playoff games… I mean ****.

Since his first year in playoffs, he hasn’t scored more than 15 points in 53 playoff games.

Worse yet, he’s only had more than 15 rebounds twice in those 53 playoff games.

As a point of reference, in the same time frame and in 7 fewer playoff games, Carmelo Anthony has one.

Chandler has reached double digit rebounds in 16 of 53 playoff games since his first playoff series (30 percent of time).

As a point of reference, Anthony has reached double digit rebounds in 13 of 46 playoff games in that same stretch (28 % of time).

Melo’s rebound, steal and block percentage go up in the playoff. Way up if just compare the same time frames.

The pt issue is my next point…

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ruruland

April 23, 2013 at 12:34 am

Chandler has played 30 or fewer minutes in 23 of 53 playoff games and has been an absolute foul machine, without the benefit of shots blocked.

Chandler averages 4.8 fouls per 36 minutes in the playoffs, getting just 1.7 blocks for the damage (his playoff blocks high per 36 was also set his first year)

As a point of reference, KMart, who does not have Chandler’s defensive reputation as a rim protector (which seems odd to me), averages 4.1 fouls per 36 minutes in his playoff career to go along with 1.3 blocks, just about the same ratio.

That’s why K-Mart is virtually the same defender Chandler is. Not as good of a rebounder, * can be* but great in help situations, versatile, better on guards and wings while Chandler is better against bigs in post.

But the Knicks need Chandler to be a lot more than KMArt (who everyone should respect and appreciate by now).

Is Chandler the best player in the Knicks? That’s for people like Owen to decide.

All I know is he needs to be a lot better. I mean, a lot better.

He can’t be the no-show guy he was a few years in New Orleans and the year the Bobcats made the playoffs.

Chandler’s atrocious play in 2009 was a big reason Denver won by an average of 25 points per game. That should not have been such a one-sided series (many picked the Hornets to win that series).

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ruruland
April 23, 2013 at 12:41 am

Of course, he was amazing with Dallas three years ago. He has to be that guy again.

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ruruland
April 23, 2013 at 1:04 am

Chandle’s 6.7 points per 36 in playoffs last year was 39th lowest in NBA history of players who played at least 28 mpg and 4 playoff games in a playoff season.

He has three seasons in the lower 150.

There have been 2768 seasons that fit the criteria, putting all three of Chandler’s seasons in the fifth percentile or below.

WOW.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_minute&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=28&c2stat=g&c2comp=gt&c2val=4&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=pts_per_g&order_by_asc=Y

Shump gone, Barron gone after a while, no Lin... Mike Bibby? Amare out for a little.

It's obvious to me that a guy like Chandler is dependent on guards around him to be effective.... not that he can't be better though.

There is perspective, right?

martin wrote:not for nothing, but why do article authors keep referencing a playoff series last year that was against the Heat when the Knicks were so short-handed? Like zero guards, and even less who could shoot from outside or penetrate.

Shump gone, Barron gone after a while, no Lin... Mike Bibby? Amare out for a little.

It's obvious to me that a guy like Chandler is dependent on guards around him to be effective.... not that he can't be better though.

There is perspective, right?

Chandler was hurt as well..And the year before that, we had major injures, yet they use those numbers like something of substance...

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lets just hope Tyson remembers to bring is cahones to the Garden tonight and produces instead of being beat to position and held scoreless. Im asking for a guy who makes 14.5mm who says he is 100% healthy to step up.

said his conditioning was the problem because of the games he had sat out. I expect to see a more productive Tyson tonight. Also, to say he was held scoreless, which is true but, he played very, very limited minutes so, that might be a bit misleading on your part. I think had he played more, he definitely would have scored. The game started opening up more in the 2nd half which, Chandler played none of (unless I'm mistaken).

If Tyson wouldve played and Kenyon didn't-- we wouldve lost. Earl Baroon didnt play for 3 months and pulled down 18 rebounds. No points no FGAs no FT and 5 rebounds while we got pounded inside when he was in there. Go look at their shot chart. What was the first thing Doc Rivers said after evaluating game 1--lets go to KG. Im rooting for Tyson to shut me up.

You can't compare a guy coming off an injury that PREVENTED him form properly working on his conditioning with guys that were healthy and had ample time to work on their conditioning. Tyson has been solid for us this season and I fully expect that to continue. What your saying is grossly unfair.

Briggs probably would have traded Harden for Marion because Harden struggled in the NBA finals. This thread is ridiculous.

Maybe but someone posted some of Chandler playoff numbers last night/this morning and they didn't look good. The trade he suggested was bad but if Tyson contiues his struggles then maybe. Sell high.