TeamBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

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Well Melo what did you want? You are one of my favorite players but you should have known that trading for you and giving up draft picks would destroy you chances for a championship.I new that you couldn't and wouldn't play with the Linsanity thing but if you wanted Lin back all you had to say is Dolan bring him back. Then find a way to play together. I bet you never played so hard in all your life than this season.The Nuggets seem so far to be the winners but they are about as far as they can go and they are not going to the finals. It's too late now and in my opinion we will have to rebuild. Now another big mistake was fools gold. That is bringing in Amare for 100 million. We should have given him 3 years with an opt out on both sides. The third year at 15 million. The option years at 15 million Total of 75 million. Walsh he blew up the teams for nothing but cap space and no LeBron. I do believe that the LeBron that you see in Miami today would not have been the same lebron in New York. New York is a tough town to play in.
Now we are stuck with the Amare contract and now Melo must decide what does he want? Oh I believe Melo will get a ring if he really wants one but we must get rid of Woody and his sidekick JR Smith. Smith is not a smart player. He is a pot luck player. And won't share the ball. Novak is a big disappointment and my question is why can't we defend 3 point shooters like other team defend us. I really think that Woody's defences and that criss crossing defense makes an old team like ours more tired. We have no shooters forget the defense lack of you still have to make shots. And what makes felton think he's a shooter he is taking shots like he think he is Wade. I've come to the conclusion that it is nothing we can really do. We are stuck. Well Melo you took the money and so did Amare and so did Chandler and Novak I'm not saying you should not have but if you really want a ring in todays NBA since the LeBron, Wade and Bosh deal you will have to sacrifice point blank. Our only hope is to go way over the cape for two season and pray that Amare comes back.

that statement right there is not only delusional, but confusing... You make it seem, if winning a ring is as easy as going to the store and buying a pair of Nike sneakers... You believe he will get a ring if he really wants wants One.. so what you are saying is he never really wanted one.. which leads me to this question..

Why do you like and root for this guy????!!!!

and blame JR smith all you want.. I honestly don't like him at all, but the guy seems to play with more heart than carmelo and he actually does give more effort on defense.. and truth be told, He probably is responsible for more wins this year than carmelo..

I have to agree with this papabear. What you said doesnt make too much sense.

Papabear Says

Think man Think! If Melo wanted to win a ring he could and will. Maybe not with the Knicks but maybe with LeBron Or the Mavericks or OKC or the Lakers. When Melo Played with other superstars like in the Olympics he played team ball. He would be a great fit with the Bulls. So don't tell me he can't win a ring. He would take a pay cut and he would do it. Remember Melo was a winner all his life. NCAA champ and MVP you can hate him all you want. I don't hate him I'm a fan and I root for Melo. However I don't like whats going on now.

I dont hate Melo. Thats the other guy. What im agreeing with him about is that by you saying he can win one when he wants to, you're implying that he hasnt wanted to win this whole time which would make it hard to like him being the best player on your favorite team.

Papabear Says

Melo thought that we was going to get Chris Paul remember the deal? Melo and Dolan should have done the deal a different way. Well it's done now. I however refuse to be like TKF and dk7th spewing all that anger and they have the power to change nothing.When I'm upset with Melo I let it be known but I'm still a Melo fan

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Well Melo what did you want? You are one of my favorite players but you should have known that trading for you and giving up draft picks would destroy you chances for a championship.I new that you couldn't and wouldn't play with the Linsanity thing but if you wanted Lin back all you had to say is Dolan bring him back. Then find a way to play together. I bet you never played so hard in all your life than this season.The Nuggets seem so far to be the winners but they are about as far as they can go and they are not going to the finals. It's too late now and in my opinion we will have to rebuild. Now another big mistake was fools gold. That is bringing in Amare for 100 million. We should have given him 3 years with an opt out on both sides. The third year at 15 million. The option years at 15 million Total of 75 million. Walsh he blew up the teams for nothing but cap space and no LeBron. I do believe that the LeBron that you see in Miami today would not have been the same lebron in New York. New York is a tough town to play in.
Now we are stuck with the Amare contract and now Melo must decide what does he want? Oh I believe Melo will get a ring if he really wants one but we must get rid of Woody and his sidekick JR Smith. Smith is not a smart player. He is a pot luck player. And won't share the ball. Novak is a big disappointment and my question is why can't we defend 3 point shooters like other team defend us. I really think that Woody's defences and that criss crossing defense makes an old team like ours more tired. We have no shooters forget the defense lack of you still have to make shots. And what makes felton think he's a shooter he is taking shots like he think he is Wade. I've come to the conclusion that it is nothing we can really do. We are stuck. Well Melo you took the money and so did Amare and so did Chandler and Novak I'm not saying you should not have but if you really want a ring in todays NBA since the LeBron, Wade and Bosh deal you will have to sacrifice point blank. Our only hope is to go way over the cape for two season and pray that Amare comes back.

that statement right there is not only delusional, but confusing... You make it seem, if winning a ring is as easy as going to the store and buying a pair of Nike sneakers... You believe he will get a ring if he really wants wants One.. so what you are saying is he never really wanted one.. which leads me to this question..

Why do you like and root for this guy????!!!!

and blame JR smith all you want.. I honestly don't like him at all, but the guy seems to play with more heart than carmelo and he actually does give more effort on defense.. and truth be told, He probably is responsible for more wins this year than carmelo..

I have to agree with this papabear. What you said doesnt make too much sense.

Papabear Says

Think man Think! If Melo wanted to win a ring he could and will. Maybe not with the Knicks but maybe with LeBron Or the Mavericks or OKC or the Lakers. When Melo Played with other superstars like in the Olympics he played team ball. He would be a great fit with the Bulls. So don't tell me he can't win a ring. He would take a pay cut and he would do it. Remember Melo was a winner all his life. NCAA champ and MVP you can hate him all you want. I don't hate him I'm a fan and I root for Melo. However I don't like whats going on now.

I dont hate Melo. Thats the other guy. What im agreeing with him about is that by you saying he can win one when he wants to, you're implying that he hasnt wanted to win this whole time which would make it hard to like him being the best player on your favorite team.

Papabear Says

Melo thought that we was going to get Chris Paul remember the deal? Melo and Dolan should have done the deal a different way. Well it's done now. I however refuse to be like TKF and dk7th spewing all that anger and they have the power to change nothing.When I'm upset with Melo I let it be known but I'm still a Melo fan

CP3 and Dwight were secretively Scussin joining forces in Dallas to play with Dirk not with Melo...the Toast on the Boat was a Hoax on you and whoever else.

TeamBall wrote:

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Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Well Melo what did you want? You are one of my favorite players but you should have known that trading for you and giving up draft picks would destroy you chances for a championship.I new that you couldn't and wouldn't play with the Linsanity thing but if you wanted Lin back all you had to say is Dolan bring him back. Then find a way to play together. I bet you never played so hard in all your life than this season.The Nuggets seem so far to be the winners but they are about as far as they can go and they are not going to the finals. It's too late now and in my opinion we will have to rebuild. Now another big mistake was fools gold. That is bringing in Amare for 100 million. We should have given him 3 years with an opt out on both sides. The third year at 15 million. The option years at 15 million Total of 75 million. Walsh he blew up the teams for nothing but cap space and no LeBron. I do believe that the LeBron that you see in Miami today would not have been the same lebron in New York. New York is a tough town to play in.
Now we are stuck with the Amare contract and now Melo must decide what does he want? Oh I believe Melo will get a ring if he really wants one but we must get rid of Woody and his sidekick JR Smith. Smith is not a smart player. He is a pot luck player. And won't share the ball. Novak is a big disappointment and my question is why can't we defend 3 point shooters like other team defend us. I really think that Woody's defences and that criss crossing defense makes an old team like ours more tired. We have no shooters forget the defense lack of you still have to make shots. And what makes felton think he's a shooter he is taking shots like he think he is Wade. I've come to the conclusion that it is nothing we can really do. We are stuck. Well Melo you took the money and so did Amare and so did Chandler and Novak I'm not saying you should not have but if you really want a ring in todays NBA since the LeBron, Wade and Bosh deal you will have to sacrifice point blank. Our only hope is to go way over the cape for two season and pray that Amare comes back.

that statement right there is not only delusional, but confusing... You make it seem, if winning a ring is as easy as going to the store and buying a pair of Nike sneakers... You believe he will get a ring if he really wants wants One.. so what you are saying is he never really wanted one.. which leads me to this question..

Why do you like and root for this guy????!!!!

and blame JR smith all you want.. I honestly don't like him at all, but the guy seems to play with more heart than carmelo and he actually does give more effort on defense.. and truth be told, He probably is responsible for more wins this year than carmelo..

I have to agree with this papabear. What you said doesnt make too much sense.

Papabear Says

Think man Think! If Melo wanted to win a ring he could and will. Maybe not with the Knicks but maybe with LeBron Or the Mavericks or OKC or the Lakers. When Melo Played with other superstars like in the Olympics he played team ball. He would be a great fit with the Bulls. So don't tell me he can't win a ring. He would take a pay cut and he would do it. Remember Melo was a winner all his life. NCAA champ and MVP you can hate him all you want. I don't hate him I'm a fan and I root for Melo. However I don't like whats going on now.

I dont hate Melo. Thats the other guy. What im agreeing with him about is that by you saying he can win one when he wants to, you're implying that he hasnt wanted to win this whole time which would make it hard to like him being the best player on your favorite team.

Papabear Says

Melo thought that we was going to get Chris Paul remember the deal? Melo and Dolan should have done the deal a different way. Well it's done now. I however refuse to be like TKF and dk7th spewing all that anger and they have the power to change nothing.When I'm upset with Melo I let it be known but I'm still a Melo fan

CP3 and Dwight were secretively Scussin joining forces in Dallas to play with Dirk not with Melo...the Toast on the Boat was a Hoax on you and whoever else.

I thought that was Deron and Dwight that were trying to play together. CP3 did actually did want to play with Melo but we didnt have the assets to trade for him

It was CP3 first, then Deron

LOS ANGELES – Chris Paul didn't want to go to Orlando. Dwight Howard didn't want to go to New Orleans. But Paul and Howard knew this much: A little more than a year ago, they wanted to play together. Never, however, could they agree on a plan that would unite the NBA's best point guard with its best center.

Paul and Howard now find themselves in the same city, albeit playing for rival franchises. Howard came to the Lakers this past summer while Paul is beginning his second season with the Clippers. Both are set to become free agents at the end of this season, raising the question of whether they might make one more effort to team up.

The answer from both All-Stars: Don't count on it.

"We were trying to play together, but it didn't work out," Howard told Yahoo! Sports.

Paul and Howard were teammates on Team USA's 2008 Olympic team. They grew close during that time, and so did their families. While watching LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh form a super team in Miami, Paul and Howard have been talking about joining forces for years.

Starting in 2009, Howard and Paul began chatting regularly, trying to figure out a way to play together. Howard tried to convince Paul to join him with the Orlando Magic. Paul responded, one source said, with a question: "What will you be giving up?" While Orlando was relatively close to Paul's hometown of Winston Salem, N.C., and had advanced to the 2009 NBA Finals, Paul preferred Howard join him on the New Orleans Hornets' roster. When neither Howard nor Paul seemed interested in playing for the other's team, they considered looking for a common destination.

"I tried to get him to come to New Orleans," Paul told Yahoo! Sports. "It was back and forth, here and there."

Sources close to both players said Howard and Paul settled on the Dallas Mavericks as an ideal destination, knowing owner Mark Cuban had the means to clear salary-cap space for them. The Mavericks explored trades for both players, but didn't have attractive enough assets to make a deal. And while Howard and Paul could have become unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2012 by opting out of their contracts, neither exhibited the patience to make such a plan feasible.

Paul was all in for joining the Mavericks as a free agent in 2012, but he wanted a commitment Howard also had interest, sources said. Howard, however, remained indecisive about his future in Orlando and wasn't ready to commit to Paul.

Dwight Howard on Chris Paul: We always wanted to play together. It didn't happen that way.

Frustrated, Paul eventually grew tired of waiting on Howard, gave up on the Dallas plan and asked the Hornets for a trade. After the Clippers acquired Paul prior to the start of last season, Paul opted into the final year of his contract for the 2012-13 season, postponing his free agency by a year. Howard then surprised everyone in March when he agreed to sign a waiver for the Magic, opting into his contract for the 2012-13 season and also delaying his free agency.

"We always wanted to play together," Howard said of Paul. "It didn't happen that way."

Howard eventually grew dissatisfied enough with the Magic to again push for a trade, but joining Paul with the Clippers was never a priority for him. Howard didn't think he and Clippers forward Blake Griffin would play well together, sources said, and he was far more interested in joining Deron Williams for the Nets' move to Brooklyn.

Williams, much like Paul, grew tired of a trade for Howard to materialize, and so the Nets instead acquired Joe Johnson to successfully convince Williams to stay. The Magic did have trade conversations with the Clippers about Howard this offseason, but the Lakers became his preferred destination after Brooklyn was no longer an option.

Paul's and Howard's families remain close; the players' parents even went to lunch together this week in Los Angeles. But Paul said he hasn't talked to Howard since Howard was dealt to the Lakers. One source said Paul is still frustrated by Howard's indecision in their efforts to become teammates.
"I'm pretty sure he's busy with family and all that stuff," Howard said. "I've been busy. We'll have time. We'll be here for the long haul."
Said Paul: "I know that they got stuff going on and we got stuff going on."

Howard loves living in Los Angeles and has enjoyed his brief time with the Lakers, despite their early struggles. Barring a change of heart, he's expected to re-sign with the Lakers after the season. Paul also has enjoyed living in Los Angeles and likes how the Clippers have remade their roster, so, he, too, is strongly leaning toward re-signing.

That doesn't mean the Mavericks and Howard's hometown Atlanta Hawks won't make a run at both players this coming summer. Both the Mavs and Hawks will have significant salary-cap space to make the All-Star pairing finally happen.

And yet after years of trying to play together, both Howard and Paul no longer envision such a scenario happening.
"He's on the other side," Paul said. "I don't worry about that."

Melo was a never was or an afterthought.

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JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

Donnie Walsh laid the plans and supplied the murder weapon. He is an accomplice.

really? he laid the plans to this mess? really? where where you the past few years? this can't be your honest assessment of the mess we are in...

Who hired d'antoni and overpaid because he was scared the bulls would take him, while seriously believing leBron would like him?

Who traded away decent players for nothing, while all went on to being productive elsewhere (mainly Z-Bo Crawford and Lee)

Who gave Amare 40 million of uninsured dollars more than his home team?

What happened to our 2012 pick?

And yes Donnie iniated the Melo trade no matter who finished it, he started it.

Yep. Also, Denver wasn't not trading Anthony at the deadline so that they could get nothing for him and he could walk like LBJ and Bosh. Anthony wanted a new deal before the owners locked out the players and 'reigned in' free agency. If Anthony wasn't traded to the KNicks he goes somewhere else at the deadline, probably the Nets. Also, waiting and walking as a free agent would have cost Anthony 25 million dollars. The Nuggets and Anhtony were very motivated to move him at the deadline.

then shame forever on dolan for shoving walsh aside and making the trade. we were in the driver's seat. let melo go to brooklyn or let him twist in the wind. anything but this steaming pile we have to endure.

Yeah, imagine the backlash if the Knicks didn't dso the deal, and the team sits into eternal lotto, while the Nets improve.

Either way, Walsh was gonna do the deal, he phucked up every other deal by paying 110% of value by showing his hand by telling the WORLD what his plans were.

the point i am making eludes you and the many fans who are stubbornly like-minded: carmelo DOES NOT IMPROVE any team he goes to as the central piece! when is that going to sink in?!? who cares if the nets get him? good! he is just another iso player who doesn't defend and doesn't facilitate. he was denver's headache and he could have been brooklyn's.

there would have been backlash from the ignorant and unworthy fans who don't know jack twiddly shyte about how to build a team. instead you got what you wanted: a career loser residing in msg who you can't build a team around because he is a chemistry killer.

your comment on walsh is as false as it is gratuitous. he gave away NOTHING. dolan is the culprit here as usual. my god

Yet these fans who believe he would have went there can't tell you what their team would have looked like. They only bring this up from a we had to save face stance against Jersey. Okay Melo goes to Jersey....

Now break down what Jersey would of gave up to get him and figure out what their cap situation would have been like.

I'm willing to wait for replies since some have already provided long-winded ones.

It isn't a we have to save face stance. Melo was being moved. Walsh wanted a second star. If you are saying Walsh was trying to save face and complete his two star plan maybe I buy that a little. Melo was 26 and a superstar. You might not like him but guys like that rarely become available. The Knicks had the means to get him. Pairing Melo with Amare wasn't the best but Walsh was going for whatever stars were left over after he missed out on his two year mission.
In regards to Jersey they would have sent close to the same package that they sent for dwill. The difference was Jersey had been stock piling assets so the team could be sold and had young talent and picks to spare. No one wanted to sign there. There was a ton of 'potential' but the Nets hadn't been good for a long time. Having a healthy Bropez was a huge asset for them.

Nahhhh it was a pissing match with Jersey and we got plizzayed like a fiddle. Oh No We Can't Let Melo Go To Jersey Denver Is Threatening To Trade Him There.....No He'd Be Their BluePrint

If it was about 2nd star well others were still available Deron, then the following yr CP3, and then Howard and Harden.... so Walsh's plan could have remained in tact, Yes stars do become available quite contrary to what you posted.... no need to rush on Melo unless you were overly concerned with Turf War!

Back to what I asked what would Jersey have given up to get Melo and what would their roster have looked like. Very easy and simple question Crush? Too lazy to do the work?

Walsh didn't know Deron was available. I don't think it was lack of dilligence on his part either. Speculation at the time was that Billy King had an inside track because of connections with Utah. Also, I answered your question about NJ and Melo. I said their package would be similar to what they sent to Utah for Deron. I believe that was Favors, Harris a couple of first rounders. Not sure if there were bit players in the deal but Utah got the same package for Deron.

Probably Lopez and another player since Lawson and Billups were already there, which means their team and future assets would have been gutted....Billups was going to couple Melo.

No Walsh admitted he blew it and should have made a check in call.....He said common sense should have told him he could be available. Most savvy/competent GMs exercise due diligence around deadline time.

Nevertheless you heard from the horses mouth he thought he was going to Jersey case closed.

knickstorrents wrote:To me Melo just wanted a max deal before the new CBA, period. Denver didn't want to keep an unhappy player so looked around for options to bring them the best value. Melo may have wanted NY but Melo wasn't the one that decided to give him that contract and Melo wasn't the one that forced the Knicks to give up those pieces. Melo did what was best for Melo, which was to get a contract before any possible injury and not risk Free Agency. He was acting in his own self interest which is fine.

The Knicks are to blame for this one. They didn't need to do the deal at all. They were bidding against the Nets at most, and even if they lost out on him I don't think it would have been a horrible outcome. Certainly not much worse than what happened last year (1st round playoff exit), and we would be in much better shape for the current CBA. Actually the way the current CBA is structured you really are better off grooming your own talent rather than trying to build through free agency. Any team that tries to do this loses out on good value rookie contracts.

When you get forced into a corner, you make bad decisions. The Knicks mortgaged their future for Melo, then loaded up on questionable contracts to try to win now. What we have is the result.

I hate our owner! Biggest idiot in ever! He just doesn't get it!!!!

Donnie job is to fulfil the directive of ownership. Thats what GM's do.

His job was to clear cap for Lebron.

Melo had another year left on his max contract. Hard to opt out of that. Plus who ever got him in trade got his bird rights so your basically talking about 2 max years (opt out and bird right team has extra year to offer). Melo also needed off season surgery and the CBA was expi9ring.

Don't hate on melo for making a solid business dicision.

Knicks wanted him and paid up. Its what they do.

Deron and CP3 did become available, and if Stat was healthy that would have been a better route. BUt he is not.

Melo is a knick and a very good player. How we use him, how we fill the rest of the roster is all part of it but "blame" don't change a thing.

Anyone thinking Melo was going to take two less years by opting out and signing with a team without his bird rights I think is overlooking a practical financial aspect.

Lebron did it and he should be credited for it. But I don't hold it against Melo, and I don't blame Walsh.

Blame don't win games.

AnubisADL wrote:Walsh isn't here because he sold Dolan the 2010 dream. Knicks stagnated for 2 years to get Amare Stoudemire and Felton. Walsh's plan failed and he left. Plain and simple.

LOL.. yea so he goes to indy where he can operate without the meddling of an idiot owner catering to moronic wannabe stars, and in under 2 years has a team much better than the one he left... funny how that works, huh?

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Walsh isn't here because he sold Dolan the 2010 dream. Knicks stagnated for 2 years to get Amare Stoudemire and Felton. Walsh's plan failed and he left. Plain and simple.

LOL.. yea so he goes to indy where he can operate without the meddling of an idiot owner catering to moronic wannabe stars, and in under 2 years has a team much better than the one he left... funny how that works, huh?

The team already had Paul George and Hibbert. Spare me.

Its not like walsh set about and traded them for a star attraction.

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Walsh isn't here because he sold Dolan the 2010 dream. Knicks stagnated for 2 years to get Amare Stoudemire and Felton. Walsh's plan failed and he left. Plain and simple.

LOL.. yea so he goes to indy where he can operate without the meddling of an idiot owner catering to moronic wannabe stars, and in under 2 years has a team much better than the one he left... funny how that works, huh?

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TeamBall wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

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Well Melo what did you want? You are one of my favorite players but you should have known that trading for you and giving up draft picks would destroy you chances for a championship.I new that you couldn't and wouldn't play with the Linsanity thing but if you wanted Lin back all you had to say is Dolan bring him back. Then find a way to play together. I bet you never played so hard in all your life than this season.The Nuggets seem so far to be the winners but they are about as far as they can go and they are not going to the finals. It's too late now and in my opinion we will have to rebuild. Now another big mistake was fools gold. That is bringing in Amare for 100 million. We should have given him 3 years with an opt out on both sides. The third year at 15 million. The option years at 15 million Total of 75 million. Walsh he blew up the teams for nothing but cap space and no LeBron. I do believe that the LeBron that you see in Miami today would not have been the same lebron in New York. New York is a tough town to play in.
Now we are stuck with the Amare contract and now Melo must decide what does he want? Oh I believe Melo will get a ring if he really wants one but we must get rid of Woody and his sidekick JR Smith. Smith is not a smart player. He is a pot luck player. And won't share the ball. Novak is a big disappointment and my question is why can't we defend 3 point shooters like other team defend us. I really think that Woody's defences and that criss crossing defense makes an old team like ours more tired. We have no shooters forget the defense lack of you still have to make shots. And what makes felton think he's a shooter he is taking shots like he think he is Wade. I've come to the conclusion that it is nothing we can really do. We are stuck. Well Melo you took the money and so did Amare and so did Chandler and Novak I'm not saying you should not have but if you really want a ring in todays NBA since the LeBron, Wade and Bosh deal you will have to sacrifice point blank. Our only hope is to go way over the cape for two season and pray that Amare comes back.

that statement right there is not only delusional, but confusing... You make it seem, if winning a ring is as easy as going to the store and buying a pair of Nike sneakers... You believe he will get a ring if he really wants wants One.. so what you are saying is he never really wanted one.. which leads me to this question..

Why do you like and root for this guy????!!!!

and blame JR smith all you want.. I honestly don't like him at all, but the guy seems to play with more heart than carmelo and he actually does give more effort on defense.. and truth be told, He probably is responsible for more wins this year than carmelo..

I have to agree with this papabear. What you said doesnt make too much sense.

Papabear Says

Think man Think! If Melo wanted to win a ring he could and will. Maybe not with the Knicks but maybe with LeBron Or the Mavericks or OKC or the Lakers. When Melo Played with other superstars like in the Olympics he played team ball. He would be a great fit with the Bulls. So don't tell me he can't win a ring. He would take a pay cut and he would do it. Remember Melo was a winner all his life. NCAA champ and MVP you can hate him all you want. I don't hate him I'm a fan and I root for Melo. However I don't like whats going on now.

I dont hate Melo. Thats the other guy. What im agreeing with him about is that by you saying he can win one when he wants to, you're implying that he hasnt wanted to win this whole time which would make it hard to like him being the best player on your favorite team.

Papabear Says

Melo thought that we was going to get Chris Paul remember the deal? Melo and Dolan should have done the deal a different way. Well it's done now. I however refuse to be like TKF and dk7th spewing all that anger and they have the power to change nothing.When I'm upset with Melo I let it be known but I'm still a Melo fan

I laugh at how you guys call it anger... I could care less about carmelo to be angry at that guy... I just live in what we call reality.. Carmelo just can't win a ring when he wants, and lets cut it with this getting together with chris paul... please chris paul was busy making back room deals with dwight Howard to go to another team... these guys are great poilticians, and any one of these guys with a sane mind would realize you are not winning a ring teaming up with carmelo, so all of the offseason talk, and toast at wedding are just that.. BS offseason chatter.. which is why in the end lebron sought out wade and bosh... which is why chris paul didn't fight to get here.. which is why dwight never mentioned coming here... get the picture....

You are a real joke! Howard or Chris Paul have nothing against Melo and would be glad to play with him if the deal could be made. And with you it is anger You just can't help yourself. It comes out in all your posts. The funny thing about is is you can't do a thing about it so you keep preaching to the Knick lovers because you get off doing that. If there were no lovers on this forum you would be irrelevant.