2013 summer wishlist
-dump older guys (prigs, kurt. Sheed.white.cope)
-pray the camby or kidd retires
-acquire dante cunningham (PF), AJ price
-let JR smih walk and replace with randy foye

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If ic ould remove Tyson and parlay that into a young 6-11 250 pound C/PF like Jason Thompson and their pick with prognostication that it was Kelly Olynck)

that alone would give me

7-1 245 PF 21 years old
6-11 250 C/PF 27 years old

One who is proven he can play in the NBA the other I think has the chance to be a star in the NBA.

On the bottom side we rebuild our guard positions

Wolters is so undervalued its beyond belief. How many 6-4 long armed PGs are there in the NBA that have HIGh bball IQ premier ballhandling skills like him with his keen passing and scoring abilities under rated defensive abilities rebounding doesnt turn it over etc...

We should be able to get this guy. I see us picking around 21-24. I would promise him so quick that his head spun and shut him down.

Spend 1mm for a second and if Erick Green is there--we haev a 6th man for the future.

Next we have what will be close to mLE money and I think we can acquire both Mosgov and Webster. Stars NO. Team play fit YES.

Its a multi dimensional make over but its no rebuild--its a retool to a younger team with more depth and skills. It can be done

I just don't understand why you trade a player for players who have a very slim chance of ever being as good as the one you're trading. It makes no sense. I leave well enough alone and target other areas to improve.

My opinion is that if I was able to trade Tyson Chandler for Jason Thompson and pick 6 or 7 and took Kelly Olynck I would have the much better players. Also to open up some $ room for existing complimentary players. I want a great team next year but we also have to start looking towards the future. San Antonio always does this.

playa2 wrote:Why doesn't anyone ever consider if these players who you want to come to NY can handle the media and nightlife pressure. Just because you're a professional , it doesn't mean you can handle it in NY

I guess we should have no players. LOL Can you pass the NY nightlife test please? I forgot how nice it is in Miami or LA etc...

Thats all im saying. I think you can still win with this core. Just surround them with cheaper complientary role players
- a REAL PF who does the dirty work MELO cant and wont do (cunningham)
- a quick PG who can D and shoot (price)
- big man to rest tyson and to help Amare on 2nd line (dalembert-type)

Green = low draft pick turned scrub who was picked up from cleveland
Splitter = i never even heard of
K. Leonard = underated 1st rd draft pick (like our Shump)
Neal = undrafted scrub
Bonner = undrafted scrub

Notice how, under coach Pop - these guys become valuable role players. Not to mention the underachieving and aging, S. Jackson and B. Diaw

BRIGGS wrote:

playa2 wrote:Why doesn't anyone ever consider if these players who you want to come to NY can handle the media and nightlife pressure. Just because you're a professional , it doesn't mean you can handle it in NY

I guess we should have no players. LOL Can you pass the NY nightlife test please? I forgot how nice it is in Miami or LA etc...

The media capital of the world if that isn't enough playing at MADISON SQUARE GARDEN(THE WORLDS MOST FAMOUS ARENA) where the fans boo you if you underachieve and most teams come there to try to get a rep against you by playing their A game. Oh and don't forget the night life 24/7 where everybody knows your name. You have to have ice in your veins and love the limelight to consistently perform there.

callmened wrote:^^^great examples...

Green = low draft pick turned scrub who was picked up from cleveland
Splitter = i never even heard of
K. Leonard = underated 1st rd draft pick (like our Shump)
Neal = undrafted scrub
Bonner = undrafted scrub

Notice how, under coach Pop - these guys become valuable role players. Not to mention the underachieving and aging, S. Jackson and B. Diaw

we have had nine coaches since Pop took over.

Sometimes its the players but its the system that defines the need, then gets the players to fill that need. I'd say the same for Phil Jax as well. They enhanced their better players by employing a system.

I think Knicks do it backwards. They get players then try to figure it out.

Im just going by what I see on the court year after year. Ever notice how we always "Need" players at positions? Its like we got a good 4 players and run out of money or trade them away. This year no SG. Last year no PG. Year before no Center to help Amare (mozz and Rony). Go back, we rolled with Charlie Ward. We had Allen and Spree with no PG.

Why can't we have a "CJ Watson" kind of journey man for back up duty? A guy not well into his 30's? Why not a Tayshan Taylor who MIGHT develop as a ride the pine player? Not claiming BKN is any kind of great team but they go Deron-CJ-tayshon at the PG. Not terrible by any means. Some teams just seem balanced on the roster even if they are not contending. Tyson goes down we have no one that can go for 30+ min at the center. Nobody! Not even some spazz eastern Euro with too few vowels on his name!

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

callmened wrote:^^^great examples...

Green = low draft pick turned scrub who was picked up from cleveland
Splitter = i never even heard of
K. Leonard = underated 1st rd draft pick (like our Shump)
Neal = undrafted scrub
Bonner = undrafted scrub

Notice how, under coach Pop - these guys become valuable role players. Not to mention the underachieving and aging, S. Jackson and B. Diaw

we have had nine coaches since Pop took over.

Sometimes its the players but its the system that defines the need, then gets the players to fill that need. I'd say the same for Phil Jax as well. They enhanced their better players by employing a system.

I think Knicks do it backwards. They get players then try to figure it out.

Im just going by what I see on the court year after year. Ever notice how we always "Need" players at positions? Its like we got a good 4 players and run out of money or trade them away. This year no SG. Last year no PG. Year before no Center to help Amare (mozz and Rony). Go back, we rolled with Charlie Ward. We had Allen and Spree with no PG.

Why can't we have a "CJ Watson" kind of journey man for back up duty? A guy not well into his 30's? Why not a Tayshan Taylor who MIGHT develop as a ride the pine player? Not claiming BKN is any kind of great team but they go Deron-CJ-tayshon at the PG. Not terrible by any means. Some teams just seem balanced on the roster even if they are not contending. Tyson goes down we have no one that can go for 30+ min at the center. Nobody! Not even some spazz eastern Euro with too few vowels on his name!

Nalod, you hit the nail on the head. This team always has a hole in the lineup. Right now Woody seems to be creating one by playing players out of position. The players the Knicks have right now are always lacking in some area. For instant Felton is lacking in the shooting area hits 40% of his shots, Shumpert the same, and JR Smith also.

The question you have to ask is would most of the players the Knicks have start for other teams. Probably not. Melo, Chandler and Amare when healthy, are the only players that the Knicks have that would start on other teams.

Can't fix it over nite. Its why teams like SAS use the draft to fill the spots and develop players. They can be used as trade chips as well to get what you need.

Lebron is so good he was able to fill voids left by an incomplete roster. When Melo was asked to fill a void by MDA he rebeled.

Nalod usually backs the current coach because its usually a flawed roster. Props to JVG for leaving. We have a habit of getting the wrong coach for our roster.

Woody is a good coach, not a great coach. He is not a proven winner type who has a "system" and stubbern to change from it. We loved him last year and earlier this and don't get the criticism he is getting.

When you have no back up center and your back up PG's are over 35 you got limits. When you have JR smith as your 6 man and getting crunch time minutes you have limits. When you have a staring center like Tyson who can't make a shot thats not within 24 inches of the rim you have limits.

Its not a bad roster, just has limits.

What to do in teh off season? Keep tweeking and pray.