vdfebduderocks wrote:NYKMentality,

I understand your points, but I think it's time to let it go now. There's no point arguing to a brick wall. Just let it go. I was on RealGM just now and this one pro-Melo guy (21shumpstreet... that isn't you right lol) completely lost it after someone made a thread stating that "Gallo was the 3rd most clutch player in the league" according to some stats. He went off the deep end. He was baiting TKF too while he was posting on the Nuggets forum (which he has his own right to do)

It's not worth your time. Agree to disagree and move on.

AND Thankfully the nuggets forum mod put an end to that foolishness.. he was on top of his job.....

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Jeez............

Its ok to think along those homeristic lines, but why the exhausting redundant attempt to convert others?

Yeah, that's what's so tiresome.

HOMERISM IS NEVER A GOOD THING

AND REMEMBER, SOMBERISM IS ALWAYS GOOD. AND IT'S COOL, TOO.

And there's no need for painful conversion attempts, because they don't want homers coming over.
Plus, sombers are obviously better at statistical analysis. And drafting talent. And comparative abstract coaching philosophy. And corporate planning and sports business management... the list just goes on and on...

tkf wrote:

vdfebduderocks wrote:NYKMentality,

I understand your points, but I think it's time to let it go now. There's no point arguing to a brick wall. Just let it go. I was on RealGM just now and this one pro-Melo guy (21shumpstreet... that isn't you right lol) completely lost it after someone made a thread stating that "Gallo was the 3rd most clutch player in the league" according to some stats. He went off the deep end. He was baiting TKF too while he was posting on the Nuggets forum (which he has his own right to do)

It's not worth your time. Agree to disagree and move on.

AND Thankfully the nuggets forum mod put an end to that foolishness.. he was on top of his job.....

just a heads up TKF... 21shumpstreet was waived on thursday due to going off the deep end. He went from his anti-Gallo rant to basically taunting moderators on the Knicks forum. You should take a look at the thread on the Knicks forum when you get a chance. The title was, I think, "Gallo was the 3rd most clutch player"

MS wrote:If Carmelo Anthony is such a great player and the superstar everyone believes he is, then why aren't the Knicks a much better team than the Nuggets?

2013
Knicks 33-20
Nuggets 35-22

2012
Knicks 36-30
Nuggets 38-28

That's all you really have to look at. Where the Knicks a great team before the trade? No. Are they a great team after the trade? NO.

Players aside, the Knicks future is non existent. We have no youth outside of Shumpert, traded every pick we have ever acquired and signed is aging or useless.

Do you think we beat Denver in the Playoffs, I am going to say it's doubtful. Would the Rockets beat us in the playoffs the probability is high. We don't do well in the half court or on the break. The East is a weak conference and yes we have the 3 seed, but that could change very quickly. This team, this franchise never deserves the benefit of the doubt. One playoff win, zero mental toughness and excuses, is NY Knick Basketball. Selfless wins games. Selfish is what this team has become.

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MS wrote:If Carmelo Anthony is such a great player and the superstar everyone believes he is, then why aren't the Knicks a much better team than the Nuggets?

2013
Knicks 33-20
Nuggets 35-22

2012
Knicks 36-30
Nuggets 38-28

That's all you really have to look at. Where the Knicks a great team before the trade? No. Are they a great team after the trade? NO.

Players aside, the Knicks future is non existent. We have no youth outside of Shumpert, traded every pick we have ever acquired and signed is aging or useless.

Do you think we beat Denver in the Playoffs, I am going to say it's doubtful. Would the Rockets beat us in the playoffs the probability is high. We don't do well in the half court or on the break. The East is a weak conference and yes we have the 3 seed, but that could change very quickly. This team, this franchise never deserves the benefit of the doubt. One playoff win, zero mental toughness and excuses, is NY Knick Basketball. Selfless wins games. Selfish is what this team has become.

Denver is where they are (or remained) because of coming out of Lawson and the drafting of Faried.

No spin needed.

Trading Felt-trash for Miller was pretty pretty good too.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MS wrote:If Carmelo Anthony is such a great player and the superstar everyone believes he is, then why aren't the Knicks a much better team than the Nuggets?

2013
Knicks 33-20
Nuggets 35-22

2012
Knicks 36-30
Nuggets 38-28

That's all you really have to look at. Where the Knicks a great team before the trade? No. Are they a great team after the trade? NO.

Players aside, the Knicks future is non existent. We have no youth outside of Shumpert, traded every pick we have ever acquired and signed is aging or useless.

Do you think we beat Denver in the Playoffs, I am going to say it's doubtful. Would the Rockets beat us in the playoffs the probability is high. We don't do well in the half court or on the break. The East is a weak conference and yes we have the 3 seed, but that could change very quickly. This team, this franchise never deserves the benefit of the doubt. One playoff win, zero mental toughness and excuses, is NY Knick Basketball. Selfless wins games. Selfish is what this team has become.

Denver is where they are (or remained) because of coming out of Lawson and the drafting of Faried.

No spin needed.

Trading Felt-trash for Miller was pretty pretty good too.

More generally, they are where they are because they picked the right players to build with.
I doubt they would trade Gallo and Lawson for Melo right now. Or Gallo and Faried for Melo.

Maybe they wouldn't but neither would the Knicks (or most other teams). Denver would not make the trade because of previous history.

Also, you are not comparing apples to apples based on salary.

Did Denver pick the "right" players to build around? Time will tell.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MS wrote:If Carmelo Anthony is such a great player and the superstar everyone believes he is, then why aren't the Knicks a much better team than the Nuggets?

2013
Knicks 33-20
Nuggets 35-22

2012
Knicks 36-30
Nuggets 38-28

That's all you really have to look at. Where the Knicks a great team before the trade? No. Are they a great team after the trade? NO.

Players aside, the Knicks future is non existent. We have no youth outside of Shumpert, traded every pick we have ever acquired and signed is aging or useless.

Do you think we beat Denver in the Playoffs, I am going to say it's doubtful. Would the Rockets beat us in the playoffs the probability is high. We don't do well in the half court or on the break. The East is a weak conference and yes we have the 3 seed, but that could change very quickly. This team, this franchise never deserves the benefit of the doubt. One playoff win, zero mental toughness and excuses, is NY Knick Basketball. Selfless wins games. Selfish is what this team has become.

Denver is where they are (or remained) because of coming out of Lawson and the drafting of Faried.

No spin needed.

Trading Felt-trash for Miller was pretty pretty good too.

More generally, they are where they are because they picked the right players to build with.
I doubt they would trade Gallo and Lawson for Melo right now. Or Gallo and Faried for Melo.

Maybe they wouldn't but neither would the Knicks (or most other teams). Denver would not make the trade because of previous history.

Also, you are not comparing apples to apples based on salary.

Did Denver pick the "right" players to build around? Time will tell.

They're a young group. They're most likely only going to get better.

They possess very good future assets too...

But back to my point, it had little to do with the trade and much to do with their other personnel and drafting (we draft Shump and they draft Faried).

Getting rid of Billups did open up playing time for Lawson which was inevitable.

They could have let Melo walk and been this good or better.

Nalod wrote:Pre trade team at one point was 6 games over .500 before trade rumors became a big distraction to a young team of players not experienced with trades.

The team was improving, it was young, it needed a more experineced post player than Mozgov, and we were running with Felton who was an upgrade to Duhan!

With so many combinations of players, trades, free agents and picks to to in so many directions there is no proof of anything.

The proof is in the record. Denver has done well for itself, so has the kNicks.

Can't imagine why the dead horse won't come back to life?

I did not see the team getting better. They were just getting worse. Amare and Felton were flying backwards and we sold Gallo when his stock was up. I was sad to part with Chandler though and did not like that Moz was thrown in.

How many players do people want on the Knicks roster? Melo, Chandler, Shumpert

How many players do the Nuggets have that people want? Lawson, Gallo, Faried, Iggy, people are interested in Chandler and Moz

We essentially now have all of their trouble makers Smith, Melo, KMart. Logically speaking we should be far and away better, with Chandler in the fold.

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:They are young and a nice team.

But back to my point, it had little to do with the trade and much to do with their other personnel and drafting (we draft Shump and they draft Faried).

Getting rid of Billups did open up playing time for Lawson which was inevitable.

They could have let Melo walk and been this good or better.

Most denver fans and writers would not agree with that statement..

Ok ... we all can believe what we'd like - including Denver fans. Is Gallo's contract such a steal? How about Chandlers?

Is there any possibilities that they could have done better for the money? I think that they could have.