dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Syniko wrote:It is amazing that SAS refuses to appreciate Lin. Lin was basically a bargain basement price Point Guard and he would have gladly accepted any sort of offer Knicks gave him because he loves this city and the franchise. You basically get a future all star for next to nothing.

Jerry Buss would never pass up Lin if Linsanity happened in L.A instead of New York.

Lin passed on the USA Select Team because of his impending free agency. Hefired his long time agent and went with a big time agent to negotiate his contract. That agent when asked about Lin reupping with the Knicks said he wasn't sure in his initial interview because he didn't know the details. Lin got a great contract with a poison pill in year three when the repeater fine goes into effect and it costs teams a lot more money to be over the cap. Nothing wrong with him looking out for himself and getting his money. But he knew what he was doing. You don't fire your longtime agent and sit out of USA Select if your plan is to just re-up for any offer.

he is a choirboy compared to what melo has done to the knicks.

Do you mean choosing Knicks over the Nets? Denver wasn't getting nothing for him.

the time for theoreticals and what-ifs is pretty much done. unless a miracle occurs the knicks are going nowhere special this season or next. heck there's already talk of 2015 already. you can't make this **** up.

we have a coach here who is an utter failure in the playoffs running a 40-year-old into the ground to make a ****ty point guard look acceptable, who is chewing out role players like novak and copeland as the knicks flounder. that's pathetic. it's acts like these that indicate that the knicks are in dysfunction.

if cowherd is correct it's about players 2 through 4 in the nba. we sacrificed that opportunity by the very trade itself-- thanks to dolan. so melo essentially ****ed up. he is greedy but stupid. that means he wins financially-- BFD-- but loses in every other way.

we are not going to win a title with melo as the superstar. let that sink in.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Syniko wrote:It is amazing that SAS refuses to appreciate Lin. Lin was basically a bargain basement price Point Guard and he would have gladly accepted any sort of offer Knicks gave him because he loves this city and the franchise. You basically get a future all star for next to nothing.

Jerry Buss would never pass up Lin if Linsanity happened in L.A instead of New York.

Lin passed on the USA Select Team because of his impending free agency. Hefired his long time agent and went with a big time agent to negotiate his contract. That agent when asked about Lin reupping with the Knicks said he wasn't sure in his initial interview because he didn't know the details. Lin got a great contract with a poison pill in year three when the repeater fine goes into effect and it costs teams a lot more money to be over the cap. Nothing wrong with him looking out for himself and getting his money. But he knew what he was doing. You don't fire your longtime agent and sit out of USA Select if your plan is to just re-up for any offer.

he is a choirboy compared to what melo has done to the knicks.

Do you mean choosing Knicks over the Nets? Denver wasn't getting nothing for him.

the time for theoreticals and what-ifs is pretty much done. unless a miracle occurs the knicks are going nowhere special this season or next. heck there's already talk of 2015 already. you can't make this **** up.

we have a coach here who is an utter failure in the playoffs running a 40-year-old into the ground to make a ****ty point guard look acceptable, who is chewing out role players like novak and copeland as the knicks flounder. that's pathetic. it's acts like these that indicate that the knicks are in dysfunction.

if cowherd is correct it's about players 2 through 4 in the nba. we sacrificed that opportunity by the very trade itself-- thanks to dolan. so melo essentially ****ed up. he is greedy but stupid. that means he wins financially-- BFD-- but loses in every other way.

we are not going to win a title with melo as the superstar. let that sink in.

My response was in regards to your choirboy comment. The Nuggets weren't waiting for Melo to leave for nothing so that the Knicks could have a stronger team and Melo was worried about the lockout and the new cba. He wasn't going to be in Denver after the trade deadline. Maybe the fault was going for the two superstar plan or letting Lee go to get Amare and Felton. Walsh signed the only superstar he could in Amare and later the Knicks traded for the only superstar they knew was available. Walsh and the KNicks were bent over a barrel in every trade they made during his tenure because everyone knew he was desperate and what his endgame was.

we'll have to agree to disagree on the motivations behind the trade.

what we have right now is a bad situation where few see this team as an ECF team. a promising start that had to stoke the optimism of all has been supplanted by what is looking like a hot mess. stoudemire is a fool's gold player unless he has a great pick and roll player feeding him. melo is a fool's gold player who can't seem to mesh with anybody. neither is truly elite because neither defends the position and neither are even remotely creative enough for others to make up for their defensive deficiency. oddly, amare gets castigated for his flaws yet with melo it is always someone else's fault. madness!

these are points that a minority of posters have been warning others about for years now.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Syniko wrote:It is amazing that SAS refuses to appreciate Lin. Lin was basically a bargain basement price Point Guard and he would have gladly accepted any sort of offer Knicks gave him because he loves this city and the franchise. You basically get a future all star for next to nothing.

Jerry Buss would never pass up Lin if Linsanity happened in L.A instead of New York.

Lin passed on the USA Select Team because of his impending free agency. Hefired his long time agent and went with a big time agent to negotiate his contract. That agent when asked about Lin reupping with the Knicks said he wasn't sure in his initial interview because he didn't know the details. Lin got a great contract with a poison pill in year three when the repeater fine goes into effect and it costs teams a lot more money to be over the cap. Nothing wrong with him looking out for himself and getting his money. But he knew what he was doing. You don't fire your longtime agent and sit out of USA Select if your plan is to just re-up for any offer.

he is a choirboy compared to what melo has done to the knicks.

Do you mean choosing Knicks over the Nets? Denver wasn't getting nothing for him.

the time for theoreticals and what-ifs is pretty much done. unless a miracle occurs the knicks are going nowhere special this season or next. heck there's already talk of 2015 already. you can't make this **** up.

we have a coach here who is an utter failure in the playoffs running a 40-year-old into the ground to make a ****ty point guard look acceptable, who is chewing out role players like novak and copeland as the knicks flounder. that's pathetic. it's acts like these that indicate that the knicks are in dysfunction.

if cowherd is correct it's about players 2 through 4 in the nba. we sacrificed that opportunity by the very trade itself-- thanks to dolan. so melo essentially ****ed up. he is greedy but stupid. that means he wins financially-- BFD-- but loses in every other way.

we are not going to win a title with melo as the superstar. let that sink in.

My response was in regards to your choirboy comment. The Nuggets weren't waiting for Melo to leave for nothing so that the Knicks could have a stronger team and Melo was worried about the lockout and the new cba. He wasn't going to be in Denver after the trade deadline. Maybe the fault was going for the two superstar plan or letting Lee go to get Amare and Felton. Walsh signed the only superstar he could in Amare and later the Knicks traded for the only superstar they knew was available. Walsh and the KNicks were bent over a barrel in every trade they made during his tenure because everyone knew he was desperate and what his endgame was.

we'll have to agree to disagree on the motivations behind the trade.

what we have right now is a bad situation where few see this team as an ECF team. a promising start that had to stoke the optimism of all has been supplanted by what is looking like a hot mess. stoudemire is a fool's gold player unless he has a great pick and roll player feeding him. melo is a fool's gold player who can't seem to mesh with anybody. neither is truly elite because neither defends the position and neither are even remotely creative enough for others to make up for their defensive deficiency. oddly, amare gets castigated for his flaws yet with melo it is always someone else's fault. madness!

these are points that a minority of posters have been warning others about for years now.

I guess I struggle with your issues with the trade. Do you think Denver wouldn't trade Melo at the deadline after Cleveland and Toronto lost their franchise players for nothing?

bosh and lebron COLLUDED to get to where they are now. as unethical as that was they ended up winning a title and they might win another. i want to underscore that while most people villainize lebron for leaving, i have always felt that, once contractual obligations have been met, neither employee nor employer owe each other anything. cleveland milked lebron for every last minute he played there. so if he leaves cleveland in the lurch and betters his situation by going to miami i do not begrudge him that. it's the collusion i take issue with.

what's the formula here? that's self-evident: any player with any sense is not going to want to hurt the team he is being traded to and, if possible, leave his former team in a decent situation. but if you must choose then for **** sake make it so the team you are going to has the better end of the deal!

melo ended up doing the opposite, and this is becoming ever clearer as the months go by. and if he colluded with anyone it was with our bedwetting, interloping owner who has had a farcical history of clueless bungling suffused with contempt.

melo didn't have to be a knick. but dolan made sure that he became one and now here we are.

earthmansurfer wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Syniko wrote:It is amazing that SAS refuses to appreciate Lin. Lin was basically a bargain basement price Point Guard and he would have gladly accepted any sort of offer Knicks gave him because he loves this city and the franchise. You basically get a future all star for next to nothing.

Jerry Buss would never pass up Lin if Linsanity happened in L.A instead of New York.

Lin passed on the USA Select Team because of his impending free agency. Hefired his long time agent and went with a big time agent to negotiate his contract. That agent when asked about Lin reupping with the Knicks said he wasn't sure in his initial interview because he didn't know the details. Lin got a great contract with a poison pill in year three when the repeater fine goes into effect and it costs teams a lot more money to be over the cap. Nothing wrong with him looking out for himself and getting his money. But he knew what he was doing. You don't fire your longtime agent and sit out of USA Select if your plan is to just re-up for any offer.

he is a choirboy compared to what melo has done to the knicks.

Do you mean choosing Knicks over the Nets? Denver wasn't getting nothing for him.

the time for theoreticals and what-ifs is pretty much done. unless a miracle occurs the knicks are going nowhere special this season or next. heck there's already talk of 2015 already. you can't make this **** up.

we have a coach here who is an utter failure in the playoffs running a 40-year-old into the ground to make a ****ty point guard look acceptable, who is chewing out role players like novak and copeland as the knicks flounder. that's pathetic. it's acts like these that indicate that the knicks are in dysfunction.

if cowherd is correct it's about players 2 through 4 in the nba. we sacrificed that opportunity by the very trade itself-- thanks to dolan. so melo essentially ****ed up. he is greedy but stupid. that means he wins financially-- BFD-- but loses in every other way.

we are not going to win a title with melo as the superstar. let that sink in.

My response was in regards to your choirboy comment. The Nuggets weren't waiting for Melo to leave for nothing so that the Knicks could have a stronger team and Melo was worried about the lockout and the new cba. He wasn't going to be in Denver after the trade deadline. Maybe the fault was going for the two superstar plan or letting Lee go to get Amare and Felton. Walsh signed the only superstar he could in Amare and later the Knicks traded for the only superstar they knew was available. Walsh and the KNicks were bent over a barrel in every trade they made during his tenure because everyone knew he was desperate and what his endgame was.

we'll have to agree to disagree on the motivations behind the trade.

what we have right now is a bad situation where few see this team as an ECF team. a promising start that had to stoke the optimism of all has been supplanted by what is looking like a hot mess. stoudemire is a fool's gold player unless he has a great pick and roll player feeding him. melo is a fool's gold player who can't seem to mesh with anybody. neither is truly elite because neither defends the position and neither are even remotely creative enough for others to make up for their defensive deficiency. oddly, amare gets castigated for his flaws yet with melo it is always someone else's fault. madness!

these are points that a minority of posters have been warning others about for years now.

I guess I struggle with your issues with the trade. Do you think Denver wouldn't trade Melo at the deadline after Cleveland and Toronto lost their franchise players for nothing?

Does it matter? It is up to Melo in the end. If you want to win you sign on a team with talent, not one raped from the trade it takes to get you. You publically say what you need to e.g. I won't extend with Nets.

I really like Melo as a talent, but he needs lots of support around him. We are not there, obviously.

+1 That was my argument in the offseason. I believed, and still believe, that Melo is a guy you can build a championship caliber team around and we haven't done that.