CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:I get on Woodson from time to time, but it's only his first full season as Knicks head coach, with a roster that's been injured left and right. We're 1.0 games back of the 2nd seed and could win our Atlantic Division for the first time since 1993-1994, but yet, now it's fire coach Woodson? Bunch of love you while you're up before kicking you while you're down types of fans. Forget about the injuries in which he's had to coach through thus far, but what about the fact that players such as Felton, Kidd, Pablo, *Brewer*, White, Copeland, Camby, Kurt, Rasheed and now Kenyon in which weren't even on our Knicks roster last season? 10 players. But yet we're only 1.0 games back of the two seed. Yea, o.k.

Glen "Puppet" Grunwald himself said we haven't had any more injuries than other teams (which is true) and also said teams adjusted to us and we need to change our gameplan. When the mute puppet GM that everyone loves is saying this then there are no excuses.

Grunwald has done a much better job than Walsh in my opinion. With the Knicks cap situation, manipulating contracts on so the Knicks had a minimum cash commitment on guys like Gadz, Jorts and Jordan was brilliant. Finding talents at the rookie free agent minimum that can come in and contribute and have a ton of experience in Prigs and Cope was inovative. Trading Brewer for a future second round pick and trade exception to free up a roster spot when the Knicks appeared to have no options was minimally resourceful. I don't see Grunwald as a puppet. Unlike Isiah and Walsh he is a behind the scenes guy. That doesn't make him a puppet. I hope you are not implying that he is a puppet because he understood the new cba and didn't match Lin's poison pill contract.

Jorts and Jordan were both drafted in the 2nd round by Walsh, that's why they had a minimum cash commitment not because of anything Grunwald did. Prigioni was a guy that Walsh and the Knicks had been trying to bring in for awhile but D'Antoni said he didn't want him. Trading Brewer for a 2nd rounder? Who cares, it was either that or he was going to be bought out. As for Lin's poison pill we'll see what happens. If he continues to improve and we're over the luxury tax anyway then it will turn out to be a terrible decision.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:I get on Woodson from time to time, but it's only his first full season as Knicks head coach, with a roster that's been injured left and right. We're 1.0 games back of the 2nd seed and could win our Atlantic Division for the first time since 1993-1994, but yet, now it's fire coach Woodson? Bunch of love you while you're up before kicking you while you're down types of fans. Forget about the injuries in which he's had to coach through thus far, but what about the fact that players such as Felton, Kidd, Pablo, *Brewer*, White, Copeland, Camby, Kurt, Rasheed and now Kenyon in which weren't even on our Knicks roster last season? 10 players. But yet we're only 1.0 games back of the two seed. Yea, o.k.

Glen "Puppet" Grunwald himself said we haven't had any more injuries than other teams (which is true) and also said teams adjusted to us and we need to change our gameplan. When the mute puppet GM that everyone loves is saying this then there are no excuses.

Grunwald has done a much better job than Walsh in my opinion. With the Knicks cap situation, manipulating contracts on so the Knicks had a minimum cash commitment on guys like Gadz, Jorts and Jordan was brilliant. Finding talents at the rookie free agent minimum that can come in and contribute and have a ton of experience in Prigs and Cope was inovative. Trading Brewer for a future second round pick and trade exception to free up a roster spot when the Knicks appeared to have no options was minimally resourceful. I don't see Grunwald as a puppet. Unlike Isiah and Walsh he is a behind the scenes guy. That doesn't make him a puppet. I hope you are not implying that he is a puppet because he understood the new cba and didn't match Lin's poison pill contract.

Jorts and Jordan were both drafted in the 2nd round by Walsh, that's why they had a minimum cash commitment not because of anything Grunwald did. Prigioni was a guy that Walsh and the Knicks had been trying to bring in for awhile but D'Antoni said he didn't want him. Trading Brewer for a 2nd rounder? Who cares, it was either that or he was going to be bought out. As for Lin's poison pill we'll see what happens. If he continues to improve and we're over the luxury tax anyway then it will turn out to be a terrible decision.

“I’ve been talking to [Knicks general manager Glen] Grunwald about four, five years about him,’’ Bass said. “This is the year it got done. He’s been very persistent checking in about Pablo. He’s a very big fan. He’ll bring leadership and will be there to help Jeremy a little bit.’’

GM Glen Grunwald made three other shrewd moves at the back end of the roster. He signed Josh Harrellson and Jerome Jordan to two-year minimum contracts, with the second year non-guaranteed. Near the end of the season, when Jared Jeffries was injured, he signed Dan Gadzuric to a two-year veteran’s minimum contact, with the second year non-guaranteed. Because Gadzuric was more than a ten-year veteran, his minimum salary was over $1.3 million (although the Knicks would only have to pay $750k (the second year veteran’s minimum)). As we will see below, the Gadzuric, Jordan and Harrellson contracts provide the Knicks with wiggle room to use trade exceptions to bring in veterans through sign-and-trade transactions at a salary above the veteran’s minimum.

JamesKPolk wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Stop it. And don't you dare credit Walsh for Danilo Gallinari. All Walsh did was sign the ink. It was Mike D'Antoni who not only scouted Gallo out in Italy, but also landed Gallo as a Knick. Know the complete history of the situation before you dare give Walsh credit for Gallo. Mike D'Antoni played basketball alongside Gallo's father within the Italian leage. They played for Olimpia Milano. In 2006, Gallo was recalled by Olimpia Milano. Mike D'Antoni is the one responsible for Gallo being a Knick, not "Donnie Walsh".

JamesKPolk wrote: He made do with what he had. Also the fact of the matter is he is the one that found Fields, Harrellson and the like in the draft.

And that's some type of accomplishment? Fields and Harrellson are both laughing stock jokes. Shouldn't have been drafted to begin with. Harrellson was a bust. Only played 6 games all of last season and has yet to play a game here in 2012-2013. His career may be over before it started. Why's Harrellson a free agent? Because he's not a good basketball player. Fields? Horrrid on a nightly basis. Has one of the worst Player Efficiency Ratings on Toronto's team. Had a couple of solid games early on as a rookie before becoming a complete bust of an NBA player. Just go back and watch our two postseasons against Boston and Miami. He was lost and confused as a player who shouldn't have been in the NBA to begin with. This season with Toronto? He's worse than most rookies. Giving the Raptors absolutely nothing. Fields and Harrellson? Laughable.

JamesKPolk wrote:He also brought in the beloved Shumpert, a pick that was dissed on draft night by nearly everyone.

I give credit to Walsh for Shumpert. Excellent talent especially before his injury. But we should've gone for the Nation's leading rebounder in Kenneth Faried over Shumpert, especially for a team that's lacked rebounding ability for many of years on end. But in regards to our fan base being against Shumpert? That's a lie. Anyone who loves ACC basketball understood Shumpert was an athletic freak with amazing defensive ability. There were threads on RealGM comparing Shumpert to Wade in regards to when Wade came out of college (talent-wise). Much of our fan base has loved Shumpert since day one. Especially as Shump was balling out during those NBA summer leagues (lockout).

JamesKPolk wrote: He brought in Stoudemire, who before the Anthony trade was dominating the league

Going after Amar'e Stoudemire is becoming a disaster. We all knew Stoudemire had a history of injuries throughout his career and we all knew Amar'e was a joke on defense. Now look, still a joke on defense while missing 53 games (as a Knick) due to injury. Not only that, but while the Miami Heat signed LeBron James, our Knicks got stuck with Amar'e Stoudemire. You know what's sad about this picture? It's not that Miami landed LeBron while we landed Amar'e, but instead the fact that Amar'e is being paid more than LeBron James. Much more. LeBron is due $57,202,500 when compared to Amar'e who's due $65,039,680 over the next 3 years. A difference of over 7 freaking million dollars in regards to Amar'e/LeBron for a player in which has not only had a history of injuries throughout his career but also a history of being a joke on defense. Walsh dropped the ball with Amar'e Stoudemire.

JamesKPolk wrote:and he put together a young, talented team with cap room before the Anthony trade.

I'll agree to disagree. Everyone talks about the Knicks being .500 over our past 28-29 games as some type of "mediocre team". Well, we're currently 32-20. That team before the trade? The definition of mediocre. Only 28-26 overall after 54 games. Not sure how current Knick fans can harp over the Knicks playing .500 ball during our previous 28-29 games when that 2010-2011 Knicks team was only 2 games above .500 after 54 games...

But yea, that team wasn't even that talented (as you say). Not sure what you're talking about there. What have guys such as Anthony Randolph and Timofey Mozgov done over the years? Please let me know since they've been "oh so talented". Better yet, where are players such as Roger Mason Jr, Bill Walker, Andy Rautins and Shawne Williams? Answer me that. Guys such as Toney Douglas and Ronny Turiaf? Not so much. Randolph, Mozgov, Mason, Walker, Williams, Douglas, Turiaf and Andy Rautins? Talented? Laughable. I'll give you Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari, but then again, they can't compare to J.R Smith and Carmelo Anthony. This myth about that pre-trade team being "talented" outside of four players in Felton, Stoudemire, Wilson and Gallo is a joke. More like a bold face lie...

JamesKPolk wrote:The Anthony trade, by the way, was still his. However forced it was on him, he still made it. So the fact that you credit some puppet who has done nothing here but sign hasbeens and scrubs to bad contracts and insult Donnie Walsh is insulting.

I'm just calling it how I see it. But will never use blind hatred (because I don't hate Walsh) when talking Knicks basketball. I give it to Donnie here. We needed an elite NBA star to keep our franchise moving forward, and he pulled the trigger while landing Carmelo Anthony. If not, Melo could be a Brooklyn Net as of right now. I give lots of credit to both Walsh and James Dolan for Melo currently being a Knick. Our greatest Knick since Patrick Ewing of his prime years. We needed this.

JamesKPolk wrote:Donnie Walsh made a mistake hiring Mike D'Antoni. It was his biggest mistake. Glen Grunwald (or was it Isiah?) hired his friend Mike Woodson. It was a mistake then and it's a mistake now. No matter how much you want to defend Grunwald that's the truth.

A mistake then and now? Wrong. We're 3rd seed of the Eastern Conference and only 1.0 games back of the two seed during coach Woodson's first (full) season as Knicks head coach. We could be on the verge of winning our Atlantic Division for the first time dating back to 1993-1994 (19 years to be exact) and we've also gone 49-26 dating back to becoming coach against Portland last season.

Outside of landing Carmelo Anthony, Glen Grunwald has been a much better G.M when compared to Walsh.

This is textual diarrhea at its' finest ladies and gentleman.

What a disgraceful post from a delusional poster. I am embarrassed to have even taken the time to read it.

It's so bad that it's unworthy of a rebuttal because anything I say will be met with the same garbage response.

But only a true disrespectful delusional person would ever insult Donnie Walsh for all that he did for this franchise. We would be in a much better position if Donnie was still here instead of the Isiah Thomas Country Club of Grunwald and Woodson. It's a shame people choose to ignore that and praise a man who has done nothing here but sign hasbeens and mediocre players to bad contracts. A man who has no track record of success at all. Keep on beating the drum but I've argued against everyone about everything regarding the Knicks and I know when I'm right or wrong.

The only rebutal needed to make someone who speaks poorly of Donnie look dumb is to point them to Indiana and the moves they made to become better. I know Donnie just took over but he made some key moves to solidify them and make them deeper.

I still make the Melo deal though, even if it was forced on him or not. Donnie's tenure deserves an A.

gunsnewing wrote:No way not A.

I give him a C

Hiring Dantoni, drafting Hill over great PGs and the Mcgrady trade were huge miscalculations that set us back for years

No shot at LeBron without the McGrady trade. Tough to recall now, but the only reason he did that was to have a shot at 2 stars in free agency.

MSG3 wrote:

The only rebutal needed to make someone who speaks poorly of Donnie look dumb is to point them to Indiana and the moves they made to become better. I know Donnie just took over but he made some key moves to solidify them and make them deeper.

I still make the Melo deal though, even if it was forced on him or not. Donnie's tenure deserves an A.

Sometimes, it's just good clean fun to savor a good win with a few strawberry filled jelly donuts

There are so few new threads after a win. Might as well jump in the Wayback Machine

Chin music, indeed. Near 30 point blowout in the second round against the Jurassic Park Pacers. That's a hard fastball at your face if I've ever seen one.
Did I just see Indiana score 4 points in the fourth quarter? Were the rest sympathy points scored by the network to keep people from demanding their cable money back?

Is it me, or did it look like Iman parted the Yellow Sea on that dunk?

Knicks in 5, anyone?

DurzoBlint wrote:D'Antoni was a fool for releasing Brewer. The reason he cited was that his agent wanted a guarantee of minutes Brewer would see. Mike said since he couldn't make a guarantee, he decided it would be best to part way. REALLY? You release a player with a skill set you need (defense and energy) just because he wants play time. HE'S UNDER CONTRACT and since when do coaches care about that. Just about every player wants to play and Brewer's track record says he would not have become a distraction if kept.

In the end, the Knicks probably should have kept Brewer for the duration of the season after the Melo trade, but let's also be realistic about his chances of playing. Brewer is a SF who sometimes slides down to SG where he shoots a career 42% from from field and 29% from 3pt area. There is NO WAY he gets playing time with Fields, Melo, Shawne Williams on roster, all of those guys played really well that season. And if the Knicks DID like Brewer, they would have needed to match his rookie year contract of like $5M+ to keep him, which was REALLY unrealistic.

So, Walsh, not MDA, did the right thing and released the player so he could get minutes and show his skills for his next contract.

martin wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:D'Antoni was a fool for releasing Brewer. The reason he cited was that his agent wanted a guarantee of minutes Brewer would see. Mike said since he couldn't make a guarantee, he decided it would be best to part way. REALLY? You release a player with a skill set you need (defense and energy) just because he wants play time. HE'S UNDER CONTRACT and since when do coaches care about that. Just about every player wants to play and Brewer's track record says he would not have become a distraction if kept.

In the end, the Knicks probably should have kept Brewer for the duration of the season after the Melo trade, but let's also be realistic about his chances of playing. Brewer is a SF who sometimes slides down to SG where he shoots a career 42% from from field and 29% from 3pt area. There is NO WAY he gets playing time with Fields, Melo, Shawne Williams on roster, all of those guys played really well that season. And if the Knicks DID like Brewer, they would have needed to match his rookie year contract of like $5M+ to keep him, which was REALLY unrealistic.

So, Walsh, not MDA, did the right thing and released the player so he could get minutes and show his skills for his next contract.

Brewer would have taken ALL of Landys playing time. He is not a shooter but neither is Landy and Brewer does everything else Landry does but better. He's an athletic freak and energy guy that always brings in on defense and just finds a way to score despite his poor shooting.

DurzoBlint wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:I get on Woodson from time to time, but it's only his first full season as Knicks head coach, with a roster that's been injured left and right. We're 1.0 games back of the 2nd seed and could win our Atlantic Division for the first time since 1993-1994, but yet, now it's fire coach Woodson? Bunch of love you while you're up before kicking you while you're down types of fans. Forget about the injuries in which he's had to coach through thus far, but what about the fact that players such as Felton, Kidd, Pablo, *Brewer*, White, Copeland, Camby, Kurt, Rasheed and now Kenyon in which weren't even on our Knicks roster last season? 10 players. But yet we're only 1.0 games back of the two seed. Yea, o.k.

Glen "Puppet" Grunwald himself said we haven't had any more injuries than other teams (which is true) and also said teams adjusted to us and we need to change our gameplan. When the mute puppet GM that everyone loves is saying this then there are no excuses.

Grunwald has done a much better job than Walsh in my opinion. With the Knicks cap situation, manipulating contracts on so the Knicks had a minimum cash commitment on guys like Gadz, Jorts and Jordan was brilliant. Finding talents at the rookie free agent minimum that can come in and contribute and have a ton of experience in Prigs and Cope was inovative. Trading Brewer for a future second round pick and trade exception to free up a roster spot when the Knicks appeared to have no options was minimally resourceful. I don't see Grunwald as a puppet. Unlike Isiah and Walsh he is a behind the scenes guy. That doesn't make him a puppet. I hope you are not implying that he is a puppet because he understood the new cba and didn't match Lin's poison pill contract.

Jorts and Jordan were both drafted in the 2nd round by Walsh, that's why they had a minimum cash commitment not because of anything Grunwald did. Prigioni was a guy that Walsh and the Knicks had been trying to bring in for awhile but D'Antoni said he didn't want him. Trading Brewer for a 2nd rounder? Who cares, it was either that or he was going to be bought out. As for Lin's poison pill we'll see what happens. If he continues to improve and we're over the luxury tax anyway then it will turn out to be a terrible decision.

D'Antoni was a fool for releasing Brewer. The reason he cited was that his agent wanted a guarantee of minutes Brewer would see. Mike said since he couldn't make a guarantee, he decided it would be best to part way. REALLY? You release a player with a skill set you need (defense and energy) just because he wants play time. HE'S UNDER CONTRACT and since when do coaches care about that. Just about every player wants to play and Brewer's track record says he would not have become a distraction if kept.

As for Lin......I don't want to get into a debate about him but, had we kept him we would not have Felton who is proving to be THE superior player. Also Lin's play this season makes me doubt he'd be worthy anywhere near that kind of money. He may get better but, if we had him this season, we'd likely be pissed at him and there would be a million "I told you so" threads.

Players have contracts that guarantee playing time? Really? I seriously would doubt any coach wants to be dictated to by an agent as to the use of his main power in life.
Brewer's not a fool to want PT, but any agent's got to know he's a fool asking for a guarantee of PT.