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Bonn1997
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2/15/2013  9:06 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I would never trade Tyson for Smith, Amare yes, but this efficiency thing is garbage. Look at Gay's impact on toronto

You're talking about 5 games? Really?
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Bonn1997
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2/15/2013  9:11 AM
gunsnewing wrote:You see...I Tyson is efficient from 3ft. How often is a player as close as 3ft from the basket. Maybe 3-7 times a game.. Which happens to be Tyson average shot attempts.

What about the rest of the game. He gives you zero.


Offensive rebounds do not help the team's offense?

Of course, you need guys who will take a higher quantity of shots since Tyson gives a lower quantity. That's why Melo (as long as he keeps his efficiency where it currently is) fits quite well on offense with Tyson.

I think there are much better stats than net plus minus but it's still worthwhile to look at it and give it a little weight. Here you can see Melo (+7.8) and Tyson (+7.4) look great and no one else playing major minutes is doing much. http://www.82games.com/1213/1213NYK.HTM
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2/15/2013  9:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2013  10:07 AM
OK, let's bring a low efficiency scorer that loves to shoot deep 2s for which he sucks... That will for sure solve all of our ball movement issues.


http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49283/courtvision-the-worst-shooters-so-far

As a general rule, Smith shoots almost exactly half of his shots within 7.5 feet of the rim, and the other half outside of that threshold. As of January 22, Smith was 80-for-297 (27 percent) outside of 7.5 feet, and 178-for-287 (62 percent) inside that distance. He spends too much time doing stuff he’s not good at. The notion that Smith has more midrange attempts than Al Horford and Lou Williams is simply ridiculous.



http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-long-two-and-josh-smith/

His stats over the last 3 years show drastic shifts in shooting behavior, but the overall trajectory is not favorable. About 46% of Smith’s field goal attempts last season occurred from beyond 16 feet. That is up a few percentage points from two years ago when it was 43%, but it is way up from the 2009-2010 season, where Smith only shot 23% of his shots from beyond 16 feet. That season, Smith shot 55% of his field goals at the rim, and the positive effects are undeniable: he set career bests in FG%, assists, and offensive rebounds; good things happen when he is near the basket.


So, do you really want to pair a bad offensive coach together with 2 low efficiency scorers (Melo and Smith)?

And for all the flak Melo is getting and how little I like him, I would still pick him 10 times out of 10 over Josh Smith. This is how horrible of a player I think he is. And if you think Melo + Amare was bad, wait till you bring Smith onboard, it will be downright ugly and you will quickly regret the Marbury / Randolph era.

Smith is uber talented, but the guy is just not a good basketball player. It is time we make the difference between the two, if we really want to win it all one day.
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2/15/2013  12:01 PM
raven wrote:OK, let's bring a low efficiency scorer that loves to shoot deep 2s for which he sucks... That will for sure solve all of our ball movement issues.


http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49283/courtvision-the-worst-shooters-so-far

As a general rule, Smith shoots almost exactly half of his shots within 7.5 feet of the rim, and the other half outside of that threshold. As of January 22, Smith was 80-for-297 (27 percent) outside of 7.5 feet, and 178-for-287 (62 percent) inside that distance. He spends too much time doing stuff he’s not good at. The notion that Smith has more midrange attempts than Al Horford and Lou Williams is simply ridiculous.



http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-long-two-and-josh-smith/

His stats over the last 3 years show drastic shifts in shooting behavior, but the overall trajectory is not favorable. About 46% of Smith’s field goal attempts last season occurred from beyond 16 feet. That is up a few percentage points from two years ago when it was 43%, but it is way up from the 2009-2010 season, where Smith only shot 23% of his shots from beyond 16 feet. That season, Smith shot 55% of his field goals at the rim, and the positive effects are undeniable: he set career bests in FG%, assists, and offensive rebounds; good things happen when he is near the basket.


So, do you really want to pair a bad offensive coach together with 2 low efficiency scorers (Melo and Smith)?

And for all the flak Melo is getting and how little I like him, I would still pick him 10 times out of 10 over Josh Smith. This is how horrible of a player I think he is. And if you think Melo + Amare was bad, wait till you bring Smith onboard, it will be downright ugly and you will quickly regret the Marbury / Randolph era.

Smith is uber talented, but the guy is just not a good basketball player. It is time we make the difference between the two, if we really want to win it all one day.

Bang!
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2/15/2013  2:17 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
raven wrote:OK, let's bring a low efficiency scorer that loves to shoot deep 2s for which he sucks... That will for sure solve all of our ball movement issues.


http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49283/courtvision-the-worst-shooters-so-far

As a general rule, Smith shoots almost exactly half of his shots within 7.5 feet of the rim, and the other half outside of that threshold. As of January 22, Smith was 80-for-297 (27 percent) outside of 7.5 feet, and 178-for-287 (62 percent) inside that distance. He spends too much time doing stuff he’s not good at. The notion that Smith has more midrange attempts than Al Horford and Lou Williams is simply ridiculous.



http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-long-two-and-josh-smith/

His stats over the last 3 years show drastic shifts in shooting behavior, but the overall trajectory is not favorable. About 46% of Smith’s field goal attempts last season occurred from beyond 16 feet. That is up a few percentage points from two years ago when it was 43%, but it is way up from the 2009-2010 season, where Smith only shot 23% of his shots from beyond 16 feet. That season, Smith shot 55% of his field goals at the rim, and the positive effects are undeniable: he set career bests in FG%, assists, and offensive rebounds; good things happen when he is near the basket.


So, do you really want to pair a bad offensive coach together with 2 low efficiency scorers (Melo and Smith)?

And for all the flak Melo is getting and how little I like him, I would still pick him 10 times out of 10 over Josh Smith. This is how horrible of a player I think he is. And if you think Melo + Amare was bad, wait till you bring Smith onboard, it will be downright ugly and you will quickly regret the Marbury / Randolph era.

Smith is uber talented, but the guy is just not a good basketball player. It is time we make the difference between the two, if we really want to win it all one day.

Bang!


Wait, you'd oppose Briggs' trade?
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2/15/2013  2:18 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Assuming the Knicks would even want Josh Smith.

Chandler to the Clippers
Deandre Jordan to the Hawks
Josh Smith to the Knicks

How come we're the only ones left without a center?

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Bonn1997
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2/15/2013  2:22 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Assuming the Knicks would even want Josh Smith.

Chandler to the Clippers
Deandre Jordan to the Hawks
Josh Smith to the Knicks

How come we're the only ones left without a center?


With this brilliant plan, minutes at center would probably be split between Amare, Kurt, and one more player (Melo? Novak? Smith?)
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12/28/2014  3:36 PM
this would have been fun
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/28/2014  3:37 PM
tkf wrote:
3G4G wrote:You come up with trades that would never happen even if those were the only players that could be traded in a season and the NBA required them to be traded.

rofl!!!!!! really, why would Ferry even consider this, on his worst day?

priceless

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/28/2014  3:38 PM
mreinman wrote:this would have been fun

Yeah a 1st round draft choice and Josh Smith was just a tad better than Jose Calderon and a 2.

RIP Crushalot😞
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12/28/2014  3:38 PM
I have to say that Bonn always seems to be on the correct side of the argument.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/28/2014  3:39 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
mreinman wrote:this would have been fun

Yeah a 1st round draft choice and Josh Smith was just a tad better than Jose Calderon and a 2.

its ironic in a way

Tyson was not an expiring at that point. His value was much higher and considered to have a reasonable contract.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/28/2014  3:59 PM
mreinman wrote:I have to say that Bonn always seems to be on the correct side of the argument.

Bonn rarely goes in, he always takes a safe approach. It's a smart maneuver.
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12/28/2014  4:07 PM
knickscity wrote:
mreinman wrote:I have to say that Bonn always seems to be on the correct side of the argument.

Bonn rarely goes in, he always takes a safe approach. It's a smart maneuver.

I wish our previous GM's were as cautious.

The reason why I actually started studying the numbers/sabermetrics is because of him.

And, it is (the numbers) correct 95 percent of the time. Defense is where it is really lacking.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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