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OT: Memphis/Toronto Deal in the Works
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BRIGGS
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2/1/2013  10:13 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:He'll average 22 PPG in Toronto...and Toronto will still be a .400 team.

They fd up not drafting Drummond--they couldve been dominant players with Valuciounus and Drummond for 15 years upfront.

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RonRon
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2/1/2013  10:56 AM
Memphis simply traded "TALENT" for continuity/defense/experience and most of all salary dump
With the big 3 now being

ZBO
Marc Gasol
Conley

and a very good 6th man role of

Bayless


The other players on the team are asked to play DEFENSE and play off the players above, while the offense will be initiated by these players above
But Rudy Gay is a top tier SF with his athleticism, skills, and youth AFTER Lebron/Durant *there simply is not many players with at his size/youth/position with that potential/skillset*
NO, he was not playing to his highest potential, and it limited his opportunities along with less touches for some players above

They did not have a great bench, but their starting 5 could have competed with ANYONE in the entire league
Their starting 5 is on an ELITE level on the much stronger compitition of the Western Conference
Problem was Marc Gasol/ZBO are better suited at the half court system, while Gay is a high/quick uptempo team like Suns once were
They needed a stretch 4 with athletic G/F's to compliment Gay

Instead, now a rotation of

Bayless PG/SG

Tony Allen SG/SF

Prince SF
Pondexter SF


Not sure if Prince/Quincy Pondexter *MCL sprain* can play some SG or not

My problem was that they did NOT get back good value for Rudy Gay *how many players at the SF position actually has his skill's/youth/athleticism?* After Lebron/Durant...
There is no reason why Toronto would not have given up an more assets, with a 1st round pick and a young player *preferably Terence Ross*preferably because of contract* or DeRozan *would be a UFA in the end of the season*, regardless it would still be an asset and possible S&T possibility*

Toronto does not have the ability to attract "ALL STAR" level type players, they just traded for one while barely giving up anything
They gave up

Calderon *expiring deal*
Ed Davis *solid young PF/C, ROLE PLAYER*
2nd round pick *seriously??, NY traded for 2 2nd picks for Camby at his age and 2 for Raymond Felton, while Gay is a TOP tier SF at 26 years of age*

It is a a complete steal for Toronto and MANY TEAM's GM could/would offer a much better package with AT LEAST 1st round picks *possibly MULTIPLE picks*, Young player or PLAYERS *with high ceilings* Look at what OKC was able to get for Harden

Steve Nash, as great as he is, at his age he was still able to get 2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks, and a trade exemption they could use *VERY VALUABLE*

Also Memphis made a great addition and buying low with Bayless, but they gave up on OJ Mayo while not able to retain any asset's for him
It would have made much more sense to get him to a *cap friendly deal like 15m for 3 years with team option for 4th or starting salary at 5m + increases each year*

Previously, 2 seasons ago, during preseason, Memphis also traded a big PG/SG in his 2nd year

Greivis Vasquez *as a rookie with high potential* 6'6 PG/SG *complete steal in 2010 draft picked at 28*

for

Quincy Pondexter ,*solid role player potential* 6'6 SF *picked at 26 in 2010 draft

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2/1/2013  9:57 PM
I didn't realize Calderon was going to Detroit. Memphis clearly just wanted to get out of Gay's contract.
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2/2/2013  1:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:He'll average 22 PPG in Toronto...and Toronto will still be a .400 team.

They fd up not drafting Drummond--they couldve been dominant players with Valuciounus and Drummond for 15 years upfront.

During draft night, I thought Drummond and ROY candidate *Damian Lillard* were going to be the steals of the draft
Many team's past on Drummond that could have used an athletic PF/C with a very high ceiling, including The King's teaming up Cousins/Drummond together instead opting for a Jason Thompson clone

I think Bargaini will really benefit from the addition of a #1 option in Rudy Gay
He does not need much room, time to get his shot off, and as a stretch PF/C he will play in to a Ryan Anderson role
His entire career, he is been unable to be consistent, while he finally has a #1 option to play off of, and a PG that can penetrate with speed/quickness in Lowry vs Calderon*a big PG/SG* without that ability
If he can stay healthy, I can see Bargaini's value increasing as he no longer has to carry the load as a #1 or even #2 option but play more in the flow of the offense
John Lucas will finally get the minutes he deserves as the team's backup PG, as he can score/shoot very well and can play team ball/facilitate with a backup role


I think Alan Anderson would lose many minutes and shots opportunities with the addition of Gay
He has shown he has the ability to score and shoot as a young player
He has a low salary player on a 1 year deal and would not be surprised if Toronto would give look to move him for his services
Not that we have anything that could entice Toronto, but I would like to add him, along with Linas Kleiza *considered a bad contract with a player option for next year right now*


Toronto has many solid versatile role players in good salaries, they finally get a #1 option in Gay/ALL Star level talent
They have good rotation of BIGS on low salaries, with some asset's, that they could turn in to another Star level talent in a trade
Amir Johnson no longer has to compete with Ed Davis for minutes and is just a very solid player at PF/C


Lowry/Lucas
Gay/Derozan/Terrence Ross
Derozan/Gay/Fields
Bargani/Amir Johnson
Valuciounus/Aaron Gray/Amir


Alan Anderson
Pietrus
Kleiza
Dominic McGuire
Hamed Haddadi

Bonn1997
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2/7/2013  10:08 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:He'll average 22 PPG in Toronto...and Toronto will still be a .400 team.

They fd up not drafting Drummond--they couldve been dominant players with Valuciounus and Drummond for 15 years upfront.


I don't think Gay is going to help them much. Lowry is the only player on that team I'd want.
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2/7/2013  10:35 AM
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:He'll average 22 PPG in Toronto...and Toronto will still be a .400 team.

They fd up not drafting Drummond--they couldve been dominant players with Valuciounus and Drummond for 15 years upfront.

During draft night, I thought Drummond and ROY candidate *Damian Lillard* were going to be the steals of the draft
Many team's past on Drummond that could have used an athletic PF/C with a very high ceiling, including The King's teaming up Cousins/Drummond together instead opting for a Jason Thompson clone

I think Bargaini will really benefit from the addition of a #1 option in Rudy Gay
He does not need much room, time to get his shot off, and as a stretch PF/C he will play in to a Ryan Anderson role
His entire career, he is been unable to be consistent, while he finally has a #1 option to play off of, and a PG that can penetrate with speed/quickness in Lowry vs Calderon*a big PG/SG* without that ability
If he can stay healthy, I can see Bargaini's value increasing as he no longer has to carry the load as a #1 or even #2 option but play more in the flow of the offense
John Lucas will finally get the minutes he deserves as the team's backup PG, as he can score/shoot very well and can play team ball/facilitate with a backup role


I think Alan Anderson would lose many minutes and shots opportunities with the addition of Gay
He has shown he has the ability to score and shoot as a young player
He has a low salary player on a 1 year deal and would not be surprised if Toronto would give look to move him for his services
Not that we have anything that could entice Toronto, but I would like to add him, along with Linas Kleiza *considered a bad contract with a player option for next year right now*


Toronto has many solid versatile role players in good salaries, they finally get a #1 option in Gay/ALL Star level talent
They have good rotation of BIGS on low salaries, with some asset's, that they could turn in to another Star level talent in a trade
Amir Johnson no longer has to compete with Ed Davis for minutes and is just a very solid player at PF/C


Lowry/Lucas
Gay/Derozan/Terrence Ross
Derozan/Gay/Fields
Bargani/Amir Johnson
Valuciounus/Aaron Gray/Amir


Alan Anderson
Pietrus
Kleiza
Dominic McGuire
Hamed Haddadi


Good post ron.. i wanted to touch on Toronto a bit.. they went from a team that had you scratching your head, to a team, that is like.. OK, I will tune in to watch them... they really have some athletic wings.. fields, Gay, Derozan and Ross... when you look at Derozan, ross and Gay, they are as athletic as any wing in the league... Over the next year or two, toronto may be a player in the east if they can either get some production from Bargs or trade him for missing pieces... all of a sudden, toronto has gotten interesting.... LOL

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/7/2013  10:40 AM
toronto will be fun to watch but they MUST get rid of Bargiani...i thought lakers might trade gasol for him but looks like that wont happen
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/7/2013  10:41 AM
That reminds me of when fans kept praising Isiah for getting the more athletic player in trades. Athleticism doesn't matter if you're a bad NBA player. Athleticism itself is not valuable. It's only valuable if it helps you put the ball in the basket for stop the other team from doing so.
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2/7/2013  11:05 AM
callmened wrote:toronto will be fun to watch but they MUST get rid of Bargiani...i thought lakers might trade gasol for him but looks like that wont happen

Watch for Morey to go after Bargnani. He would be perfect in the Rocket team and style.

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