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mrKnickShot
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1/21/2013  7:56 PM
playa2 wrote:When we get our starting pg back we are going to run teams out the gym like we did in the beginning of the season.

Ray Felton takes us to another level.

If Felton being out is the difference in this team then we are in serious trouble

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1/21/2013  8:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2013  8:36 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
playa2 wrote:When we get our starting pg back we are going to run teams out the gym like we did in the beginning of the season.

Ray Felton takes us to another level.

If Felton being out is the difference in this team then we are in serious trouble

What we were doing early in the year makes Ray Felton necessary.

Melo has no business bringing the ball trying to create for 3 qtrs wasting his energy, when we need him fresh at the end of games, that's what starting pg's are for.

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1/21/2013  8:32 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
playa2 wrote:When we get our starting pg back we are going to run teams out the gym like we did in the beginning of the season.

Ray Felton takes us to another level.

If Felton being out is the difference in this team then we are in serious trouble

+1

Everytime the Knicks lose there is a convienient excuse built in if this guy was here and there. When are people going to open their eyes and see what is lacking. What is lacking here is heart and desire to win. Execution, of plan and sticking to it. As much as everyone is ready to dish out praise to the players look at what is happening on the court. Players are jacking up ridiculous shots, JR Smith has become a player that jacks up shots with no remorse for his actions. He is taking God aweful shots, I think to myself that can't be the plan of execution can it? Melo is guilty of this to.

On the defensive side they don't block out consistently on rebounding, they let cutters through the middle without anyone bumping them. Swithching defense that Woodson is implementing is the same BS defense that he implemented when MDA was here and it wasn't very effective. Players have to man up and play straight defense only swithching to play help defense.

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1/21/2013  8:38 PM
Melo can't be playing pg all game and have energy in the 4th qtr.

You can make these comments when he's back and Woodson plays guys in their normal rotation.

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1/21/2013  8:46 PM
Vmart wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
playa2 wrote:When we get our starting pg back we are going to run teams out the gym like we did in the beginning of the season.

Ray Felton takes us to another level.

If Felton being out is the difference in this team then we are in serious trouble

+1

Everytime the Knicks lose there is a convienient excuse built in if this guy was here and there. When are people going to open their eyes and see what is lacking. What is lacking here is heart and desire to win. Execution, of plan and sticking to it. As much as everyone is ready to dish out praise to the players look at what is happening on the court. Players are jacking up ridiculous shots, JR Smith has become a player that jacks up shots with no remorse for his actions. He is taking God aweful shots, I think to myself that can't be the plan of execution can it? Melo is guilty of this to.

On the defensive side they don't block out consistently on rebounding, they let cutters through the middle without anyone bumping them. Swithching defense that Woodson is implementing is the same BS defense that he implemented when MDA was here and it wasn't very effective. Players have to man up and play straight defense only swithching to play help defense.

+1 back at ya!

The fact that JR and sometimes Melo are allowed to take such awful shots is mind boggling and to me its a sign of a coach who does not have the proper control (or hes just stupid - which I don't believe is the case)

Watching the Nets run their offense and utilizing their (forced) mismatches made Woody look stupid.

A couple of things:

1. Why can't our bigs set a real freakin pick? Watching other teams set real picks and our guys always setting half/sliders makes me ill
2. Why the stupid awful doubles with Tyson on Lopez (and others)? Tyson is suppose to be the best defender in the NBA and Lopez in the high post is not Hakeem
3. all the switching and mismatches are just forcing more needed doubles and open 3's
4. Novak does not belong in the game. Its a myth that Woody can't draw up plays for him, nobody can.
5. Woody needs to declare martial law and force 3-4 passes before each shot
6. The Nets were penetrating with Deron on the bench as well. Its call REAL picks and ball movement
7. Uh ........ CAN WE BOX OUT??? - the reason why we can't is because we are always scrambling and out of position with our dumb double teaming and over switching

Why do I have a feeling/fear why we will be having the same discussions after we are down 0-2 in the first round? "PABLO IS OUT. HE'S OUR BEST PG. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT"?

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1/21/2013  8:53 PM
Vmart wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
playa2 wrote:When we get our starting pg back we are going to run teams out the gym like we did in the beginning of the season.

Ray Felton takes us to another level.

If Felton being out is the difference in this team then we are in serious trouble

+1

Everytime the Knicks lose there is a convienient excuse built in if this guy was here and there. When are people going to open their eyes and see what is lacking. What is lacking here is heart and desire to win. Execution, of plan and sticking to it. As much as everyone is ready to dish out praise to the players look at what is happening on the court. Players are jacking up ridiculous shots, JR Smith has become a player that jacks up shots with no remorse for his actions. He is taking God aweful shots, I think to myself that can't be the plan of execution can it? Melo is guilty of this to.

On the defensive side they don't block out consistently on rebounding, they let cutters through the middle without anyone bumping them. Swithching defense that Woodson is implementing is the same BS defense that he implemented when MDA was here and it wasn't very effective. Players have to man up and play straight defense only swithching to play help defense.

Being at the game today, I can tell you that most of the fans agree with you. The worst thing about it when JR and Melo take those shots, I would look at Woodson and see little reaction but when Cope took this pretty ridiculous shot in the 1st quarter (it was really bad) Woodson yelled at him all the way up the floor. The switching, the lack of plays, the iso's - those were all things that everyone was complaining about at the game today.

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1/21/2013  9:13 PM
Anthony made some nice passes en route to a season-high seven assists, including two that led to Amar'e Stoudemire dunks. But Anthony said doing the playmaking affected him -- he was 0-for-6 in the fourth -- and the Knicks.

"You're kind of taking Jason Kidd off the ball, putting me at the point," Anthony said. "Guys are not used to that. We had to adjust on the fly, had to adjust accordingly to the game. We'll be glad when Raymond comes back. It's games like this we have to adjust and today for the most part I had to run the point, try to make things happen, try to get things going for myself along with everybody else. That can be tiring at times." NUFF SAID

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1/21/2013  9:23 PM
We should not bring back Felton until game 1 of the playoffs so we get Felton on the way up not on the way down.
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1/21/2013  9:31 PM
playa2 wrote:Anthony made some nice passes en route to a season-high seven assists, including two that led to Amar'e Stoudemire dunks. But Anthony said doing the playmaking affected him -- he was 0-for-6 in the fourth -- and the Knicks.

"You're kind of taking Jason Kidd off the ball, putting me at the point," Anthony said. "Guys are not used to that. We had to adjust on the fly, had to adjust accordingly to the game. We'll be glad when Raymond comes back. It's games like this we have to adjust and today for the most part I had to run the point, try to make things happen, try to get things going for myself along with everybody else. That can be tiring at times." NUFF SAID

Definitely not spoken like an MVP candidate. If a player that has been elevated to that kind of standard as Melo can't handle a little play making duty then he should take himself out of any MVP discussion and definetely don't ask to be in any elite player discussions.

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1/21/2013  9:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2013  9:37 PM
Fans made him MVP candidate, he's not telling you or I that. Even Kidd called Felton our the engine that makes us go, now tell me what vehicle runs without the engine made for it?
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1/21/2013  9:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2013  11:05 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:We should not bring back Felton until game 1 of the playoffs so we get Felton on the way up not on the way down.

Its clear that you are not a fan of Felton, but it has to be obvious to you that this team misses his ability to get into the paint and run an effective pnr. His presence allows everyone else (namely Melo) to get back to there normal positions and and back in there comfort zone. At this point in his career, Kidd does not look comfortable handling the ball against fullcourt pressure. Kidd doesn't go anywhere near the paint as if there are sharks in there and it forces Melo to try to play point forward. Melo, is a scorer not a playmaker. Yes, he can make some plays, but when you put the ball in his hands that much, you get more forced shots from him because when he feels the pressure, his first instinct is to put it up.

Reminds me of the first part of last season when we didn't have a pg and Melo was trying to play point. Have to admit, we played our best ball of the season when Ray was running the point.

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1/21/2013  9:37 PM
Vmart wrote:
playa2 wrote:Anthony made some nice passes en route to a season-high seven assists, including two that led to Amar'e Stoudemire dunks. But Anthony said doing the playmaking affected him -- he was 0-for-6 in the fourth -- and the Knicks.

"You're kind of taking Jason Kidd off the ball, putting me at the point," Anthony said. "Guys are not used to that. We had to adjust on the fly, had to adjust accordingly to the game. We'll be glad when Raymond comes back. It's games like this we have to adjust and today for the most part I had to run the point, try to make things happen, try to get things going for myself along with everybody else. That can be tiring at times." NUFF SAID

Definitely not spoken like an MVP candidate. If a player that has been elevated to that kind of standard as Melo can't handle a little play making duty then he should take himself out of any MVP discussion and definetely don't ask to be in any elite player discussions.

Melo plays very hard. He takes a lot of hits and doesn't get a lot of calls. He is already carrying a heavy burden. He certainly looked tired when he couldn't finish that last drive on Wallace. I don't think there is anything wrong with what he said and I don't think he put himself in the mvp conversation.
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1/21/2013  9:39 PM
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mrKnickShot wrote:We should not bring back Felton until game 1 of the playoffs so we get Felton on the way up not on the way down.

Its clear that you are not a fan of Felton, but it has to be obvious to you that this team misses his ability to get into the paint and run an effective pnr.

As Kenny Smith says, a guy who can get in the paint is like have a post player with all the attention he gets. How soon knicks fans forget.

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1/21/2013  9:40 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:Watching the Nets run their offense and utilizing their (forced) mismatches made Woody look stupid.

A couple of things:

1. Why can't our bigs set a real freakin pick? Watching other teams set real picks and our guys always setting half/sliders makes me ill
2. Why the stupid awful doubles with Tyson on Lopez (and others)? Tyson is suppose to be the best defender in the NBA and Lopez in the high post is not Hakeem
3. all the switching and mismatches are just forcing more needed doubles and open 3's
4. Novak does not belong in the game. Its a myth that Woody can't draw up plays for him, nobody can.
5. Woody needs to declare martial law and force 3-4 passes before each shot
6. The Nets were penetrating with Deron on the bench as well. Its call REAL picks and ball movement
7. Uh ........ CAN WE BOX OUT??? - the reason why we can't is because we are always scrambling and out of position with our dumb double teaming and over switching

Why do I have a feeling/fear why we will be having the same discussions after we are down 0-2 in the first round? "PABLO IS OUT. HE'S OUR BEST PG. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT"?

What makes you think that? There have been plenty of times where guys have taken the initiative to screen for Novak off the ball and he got a great look as a result of it. Having the coach implement that in the offense shouldnt be too hard.

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1/21/2013  9:46 PM
Uptown wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:We should not bring back Felton until game 1 of the playoffs so we get Felton on the way up not on the way down.

Its clear that you are not a fan of Felton, but it has to be obvious to you that this team misses his ability to get into the paint and run an effective pnr. His presence allows everyone else (namely Melo) to get back to there normal positions and and back in there comfort zone. At this point in his career, Kidd does not look comfortable handling the ball against fullcourt pressure. Kidd doesn't go anywhere near the paint as if there are sharks in there and it forces Melo to try to play point forward. Melo, is a scorer not a playmaker. Yes, he can make some plays, but when you put the ball in his hands that much, you get more forced shots from him because when he feels the pressure, his first instinct is to put it up.

Reminds me of the first part of last season when we didn't have a pg and Melo was trying to play point. Have to admit, we played our best ball of the season when he was running the point.

I agree that we miss Felton and at the same time say that this is very sad.

Felton was not playing well before the trade, and played poorly for Denver in the playoffs.

Felton started off this season ok (as he did in 2010) but has reverted to his career (awful) numbers (as he did in 2010)

Part of the problems with him is - 1. that teams adjust to him and start forcing him to beat them by backing off and - 2. that Felton believes that he can shoot well enough to beat them.

Do we need Felton? Yes. We do. Can he lead us to victory in the playoffs? Sad to say but I don't believe that we can.

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1/21/2013  9:48 PM
TeamBall wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Watching the Nets run their offense and utilizing their (forced) mismatches made Woody look stupid.

A couple of things:

1. Why can't our bigs set a real freakin pick? Watching other teams set real picks and our guys always setting half/sliders makes me ill
2. Why the stupid awful doubles with Tyson on Lopez (and others)? Tyson is suppose to be the best defender in the NBA and Lopez in the high post is not Hakeem
3. all the switching and mismatches are just forcing more needed doubles and open 3's
4. Novak does not belong in the game. Its a myth that Woody can't draw up plays for him, nobody can.
5. Woody needs to declare martial law and force 3-4 passes before each shot
6. The Nets were penetrating with Deron on the bench as well. Its call REAL picks and ball movement
7. Uh ........ CAN WE BOX OUT??? - the reason why we can't is because we are always scrambling and out of position with our dumb double teaming and over switching

Why do I have a feeling/fear why we will be having the same discussions after we are down 0-2 in the first round? "PABLO IS OUT. HE'S OUR BEST PG. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT"?

What makes you think that? There have been plenty of times where guys have taken the initiative to screen for Novak off the ball and he got a great look as a result of it. Having the coach implement that in the offense shouldnt be too hard.

We can at times screen off the ball for Novak but its not easy. Ray Allen and Reggie used to actually move while he can't. If his defender stays home on him then he is rendered useless (other than taking the 5th defender out of the paint)

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1/24/2013  8:41 PM
Funny how quickly people forget how well we play with guards on the court who can handle the ball instead of Melo.
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1/24/2013  9:12 PM
How about if guards can't shoot but ... THEY KEEP SHOOTING?????!!
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1/25/2013  11:45 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:How about if guards can't shoot but ... THEY KEEP SHOOTING?????!!

Well if the squad you are on the court with can't make shoots or create their own shots what else should you do as a PG. Rondo does it too !

Injuries made us put out funny combinations, but now that players are coming back the rest of the league better BEWARE!

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1/25/2013  12:34 PM
Feltons a big necessity because Woody has shown hes gonna resort to isos without Felton out there using his ability to penetrate and dish
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