misterearl wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:
Anyway, hell of a shot and we can all appreciate the clutch bucket dropping,

Look, I understand things happen in the the heat of the action, but to say that, in that moment, JR did not intend to undercut him, I think you're not being fair to me and to the people of this great nation, and this great planet

The Knicks needed all they could get from Smith — 27 points, five assists, six rebounds, and a whopping five steals, including some huge ones in the final minutes — because they were so shorthanded everywhere. Carmelo Anthony hyperextended his knee in the Christmas Day loss to the Lakers, and Raymond Felton, as it turns out, has a broken finger, which explains his shooting in recent days. (He's going to miss four to six weeks, which means the Knicks need a quick fill-in point guard. If only they'd had any recent luck just randomly grabbing point guards from the D-League and throwing them in out of desperation.) This left everything to Smith and Jason Kidd, the latter of whom might have even had a better game.

-Will Leitch

IronWil - you are a great American and, indeed, a proud citizen of the planet. If our opinions collide it is simply a manifestation of the polar magnetism which controls everything related to gravity - except the unsolvable equation of JR Smith's ability to square up, off balance, get a microscopic look at the hoop with a hand in his face, and drain another game winner.

We who are about to take our talents to Sacramento, salute you.

Hahahahaha, hear hear

We go now, dethrone queens

blkexec wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bad Guys versus Good Guys

IronWill - me thinketh thou protest too much

Vicious an malicious?

JR did not "drive his chest" into the frail and innocent Dragic. The video does not support your ranting.

My ranting? I was on to the next thang, I was talking about Swagnuts's positive mental attitude and then you had to suck me back in,

Here is the video, if you don't see JR driving his chest into the INDEED INNOCENT AND FRAIL DRAGIC (BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE AIR AND DEFENSELESS), then I have to commend you on this very impressive feat of doublethink,

Anyway, hell of a shot and we can all appreciate the clutch bucket dropping,

Look, I understand things happen in the the heat of the action, but to say that, in that moment, JR did not intend to undercut him, I think you're not being fair to me and to the people of this great nation, and this great planet

Sorry for opening up this can of worms....But

JR's initial intention was to prevent the layup, because he was upset at the non call at the other end. Once he realized he didn't have enough time prevent the layup due to Drags speed, JR tried to pull up at the last minute. But it was too late. It's like stopping a sports car, and anticipating your stopping range.

JR didn't try to hurt him, but he was initially trying to prevent a layup. And his momentum prevented him from pulling back in time....

Most NBA players would not have fell that hard with such a small contact. Drag has to anticipate a hard foul on that attempt. He needs to practice making layups with more balance and strength, while absorbing contact. Drag figured JR wasn't even in the picture, so he went up like he was in the gym by himself. You have to protect yourself....Can't rely on the opposing team to protect you, during the heat of battle.

This was a borderline play....It sends a message to the NBA that once a player is by you, give up on the play. Now try telling that to Lebron and company, who lives on tracking guys down from behind. If that was Lebron attempting to block Drags shot, and he clipped him the same way as JR did, whats the call?

The problem I have (in general) is that we let the hard fall dictate the seriousness of the flagrant call. Why should the person during the fouling be penalized for someone who's fragile and doesn't have good balance. Again, not talking about Drag, but I've seen this before.

If Drag didn't fall the way he did, it would not have been a Flagrant foul!

BUAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S EPIC!!

Yea, when I shot that guy, first he should not have let the bullet penetrate his body and then he should not have bled so much so that he would die, of course

IronWillGiroud wrote:

blkexec wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bad Guys versus Good Guys

IronWill - me thinketh thou protest too much

Vicious an malicious?

JR did not "drive his chest" into the frail and innocent Dragic. The video does not support your ranting.

My ranting? I was on to the next thang, I was talking about Swagnuts's positive mental attitude and then you had to suck me back in,

Here is the video, if you don't see JR driving his chest into the INDEED INNOCENT AND FRAIL DRAGIC (BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE AIR AND DEFENSELESS), then I have to commend you on this very impressive feat of doublethink,

Anyway, hell of a shot and we can all appreciate the clutch bucket dropping,

Look, I understand things happen in the the heat of the action, but to say that, in that moment, JR did not intend to undercut him, I think you're not being fair to me and to the people of this great nation, and this great planet

Sorry for opening up this can of worms....But

JR's initial intention was to prevent the layup, because he was upset at the non call at the other end. Once he realized he didn't have enough time prevent the layup due to Drags speed, JR tried to pull up at the last minute. But it was too late. It's like stopping a sports car, and anticipating your stopping range.

JR didn't try to hurt him, but he was initially trying to prevent a layup. And his momentum prevented him from pulling back in time....

Most NBA players would not have fell that hard with such a small contact. Drag has to anticipate a hard foul on that attempt. He needs to practice making layups with more balance and strength, while absorbing contact. Drag figured JR wasn't even in the picture, so he went up like he was in the gym by himself. You have to protect yourself....Can't rely on the opposing team to protect you, during the heat of battle.

This was a borderline play....It sends a message to the NBA that once a player is by you, give up on the play. Now try telling that to Lebron and company, who lives on tracking guys down from behind. If that was Lebron attempting to block Drags shot, and he clipped him the same way as JR did, whats the call?

The problem I have (in general) is that we let the hard fall dictate the seriousness of the flagrant call. Why should the person during the fouling be penalized for someone who's fragile and doesn't have good balance. Again, not talking about Drag, but I've seen this before.

If Drag didn't fall the way he did, it would not have been a Flagrant foul!

BUAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S EPIC!!

Yea, when I shot that guy, first he should not have let the bullet penetrate his body and then he should not have bled so much so that he would die, of course

Bad analogy...

If we are talking about cops playing basketball with bullet proof vest, and you are allowed to use rubber bullets for defense. This yes, you have to protect yourself with the proper gear and training!

Players get brushed like that all the time, and actually get fouled harder than that for years.....But for the new school players, yes it's a foul that should have been avoided.

For old school players....Protect yourself when attempting a layup. Don't rely on the refs or the opposing team to prevent you from having a career ending injury!

blkexec wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

blkexec wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bad Guys versus Good Guys

IronWill - me thinketh thou protest too much

Vicious an malicious?

JR did not "drive his chest" into the frail and innocent Dragic. The video does not support your ranting.

My ranting? I was on to the next thang, I was talking about Swagnuts's positive mental attitude and then you had to suck me back in,

Here is the video, if you don't see JR driving his chest into the INDEED INNOCENT AND FRAIL DRAGIC (BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE AIR AND DEFENSELESS), then I have to commend you on this very impressive feat of doublethink,

Anyway, hell of a shot and we can all appreciate the clutch bucket dropping,

Look, I understand things happen in the the heat of the action, but to say that, in that moment, JR did not intend to undercut him, I think you're not being fair to me and to the people of this great nation, and this great planet

Sorry for opening up this can of worms....But

JR's initial intention was to prevent the layup, because he was upset at the non call at the other end. Once he realized he didn't have enough time prevent the layup due to Drags speed, JR tried to pull up at the last minute. But it was too late. It's like stopping a sports car, and anticipating your stopping range.

JR didn't try to hurt him, but he was initially trying to prevent a layup. And his momentum prevented him from pulling back in time....

Most NBA players would not have fell that hard with such a small contact. Drag has to anticipate a hard foul on that attempt. He needs to practice making layups with more balance and strength, while absorbing contact. Drag figured JR wasn't even in the picture, so he went up like he was in the gym by himself. You have to protect yourself....Can't rely on the opposing team to protect you, during the heat of battle.

This was a borderline play....It sends a message to the NBA that once a player is by you, give up on the play. Now try telling that to Lebron and company, who lives on tracking guys down from behind. If that was Lebron attempting to block Drags shot, and he clipped him the same way as JR did, whats the call?

The problem I have (in general) is that we let the hard fall dictate the seriousness of the flagrant call. Why should the person during the fouling be penalized for someone who's fragile and doesn't have good balance. Again, not talking about Drag, but I've seen this before.

If Drag didn't fall the way he did, it would not have been a Flagrant foul!

BUAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S EPIC!!

Yea, when I shot that guy, first he should not have let the bullet penetrate his body and then he should not have bled so much so that he would die, of course

Bad analogy...

If we are talking about cops playing basketball with bullet proof vest, and you are allowed to use rubber bullets for defense. This yes, you have to protect yourself with the proper gear and training!

Players get brushed like that all the time, and actually get fouled harder than that for years.....But for the new school players, yes it's a foul that should have been avoided.

For old school players....Protect yourself when attempting a layup. Don't rely on the refs or the opposing team to prevent you from having a career ending injury!

Bad interpretation of analogy,

Old school new school need to learn though, burn baby burn disco inferno, I don't care if you played in the 1860s, if you're in the air there is no protecting yourself from a whack from behind, old school players did not have eyes in the back of their heads did they

JR probably regretted doing that, and the heat of the action, I understand, but if JR wanted to avoid contact on that he could have easily, look at his follow through he goes past the play at full speed, there was no attempt to change direction or even slow down, he knew he was going to hit him and that's it.

Sportscars come with steering wheels and brakes

The Phoenix announcers noted that JRs arms were by his side and that Mr Smith appeared to be attempting to avoid contact. The home team announcers.

Watch carefully and JR actually pulls his chest back, after he decided not to go for the block, which you know he is trained to do, with defense as a priority.

No layups

holfresh wrote:One take away from last night is that Camby will help if he can stay healthy...Camby, Sheed, and Amare can all help...Just health that is holding us back...

Syniko wrote:Why are we debating about a MADE shot no matter how it was made. In hindsight, any good shot is a bad shot if it goes in and out and it cost the game but on the other hand, all bad shots becomes a good shot if it goes in by some miracle and wins the game.

CrushAlot wrote:

Syniko wrote:Why are we debating about a MADE shot no matter how it was made. In hindsight, any good shot is a bad shot if it goes in and out and it cost the game but on the other hand, all bad shots becomes a good shot if it goes in by some miracle and wins the game.

This thread was about a missed shot. When the Knicks came out of a time out and JR took a three very early in the shot clock. When he took the shot he had his back to the basket and had to spin in the air to face he basket and take a three.

Oh yeah, that was definitely a bad move on J.R. Pulling acrobatic shots with so much time left on the clock is wholly unnecessary.

If you wanted to be a douche about it, you could say that in the past five years sports has become awash in analysis and metrics that can sometimes turn everything into an elaborate spreadsheet full of power rankings and efficiency ratings, and that every time guys like J.R. Smith or Jamal Crawford take and make a horrible shot that breaks the other team's back, it really is a glitch in an actual matrix somewhere, and a reminder that the best moments in sports are the ones that make absolutely no sense, where all you can do is laugh out loud and shake your head.

But really, besides all that, it's just great to see J.R. Smith winning meaningful games with his drunken approach to everything, and the same goes for Jamal Crawford. Good bad shot makers are always fun, but when they somehow become crucial role players on two of the best teams in the NBA, then the entire world can enjoy them in all their ridiculous glory. So what I'm saying is... Isn't it awesome?