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playa2
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1/13/2013  3:14 PM
There was a play where Prigioni slowed the ball up and told his teammates to hold up when the fast break wasn't there, he proceeded to stop the break and move the ball to J.R and he found the open man Novak in the corner. This is what the knicks need a heads up pg who deoesn't force the action , but waits for the right moment to swing the ball. This is what the Knicks need in a backup.

Pablo Prigioni is necessary !

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1/13/2013  3:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2013  3:37 PM
playa2 wrote:There was a play where Prigioni slowed the ball up and told his teammates to hold up when the fast break wasn't there, he proceeded to stop the break and move the ball to J.R and he found the open man Novak in the corner. This is what the knicks need a heads up pg who deoesn't force the action , but waits for the right moment to swing the ball. This is what the Knicks need in a backup.

Pablo Prigioni is necessary !

I think he is the much better option than Kidd at PG
Although he is not much of a penetration threat, he is much more than Kidd
I do think he is a 3rd string PG though and Kidd is not a PG, making our roster with Felton/Pablo at PG while

JR Smith/ plays PG/SG/SF and has more PG duties than his entire career but is not very smart
Iman i think he will be given some duties as well when he returns with Kidd's guidance

Kidd is a SG or a PG that cannot penetrate or defend the position
He can play SOME minutes at the position, but if he play's too many minutes, he becomes ineffective and a liability, and we lose him as the accurate high% shooter as the 3rd/4th option, which REALLY HURTS THE TEAM


That play killed the clock and that was smart basketball with the score, even though JR Smith had a good look early, it was not needed to take the shot

The PG does not have to be a great penetration threat but penetration must come from at least 1 great or multiple penetration threats
We have NONE in our starting line up after injuries
It attack's the opponents DEFENSE and break's it down, especially when you have shooter's to spread the floor

Penetration isn't the only way to initiate an offense, a post up presence can too, but Melo is the only real threat at PF, and doesn't have the spacing without shooter's as well as the better defender on him that is not a mismatch

To make up for this, you can have good player movement/HIGH IQ/ good cuts/ multiple screen on and off the ball/unselfish bball, basically the style that The Bull's play

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1/13/2013  3:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2013  4:02 PM
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playa2 wrote:There was a play where Prigioni slowed the ball up and told his teammates to hold up when the fast break wasn't there, he proceeded to stop the break and move the ball to J.R and he found the open man Novak in the corner. This is what the knicks need a heads up pg who deoesn't force the action , but waits for the right moment to swing the ball. This is what the Knicks need in a backup.

Pablo Prigioni is necessary !

I think he is the much better option than Kidd at PG
Although he is not much of a penetration threat, he is much more than Kidd
I do think he is a 3rd string PG though and Kidd is not a PG, making our roster with Felton/Pablo at PG while

JR Smith/ plays PG/SG/SF and has more PG duties than his entire career but is not very smart
Iman i think he will be given some duties as well when he returns with Kidd's guidance

Kidd is a SG or a PG that cannot penetrate or defend the position
He can play SOME minutes at the position, but if he play's too many minutes, he becomes ineffective and a liability, and we lose him as the accurate high% shooter as the 3rd/4th option, which REALLY HURTS THE TEAM


That play killed the clock and that was smart basketball with the score, even though JR Smith had a good look early, it was not needed to take the shot

The PG does not have to be a great penetration threat but penetration must come from at least 1 great or multiple penetration threats
We have NONE in our starting line up after injuries
It attack's the opponents DEFENSE and break's it down, especially when you have shooter's to spread the floor

Penetration isn't the only way to initiate an offense, a post up presence can too, but Melo is the only real threat at PF, and doesn't have the spacing without shooter's as well as the better defender on him that is not a mismatch

To make up for this, you can have good player movement/HIGH IQ/ good cuts/ multiple screen on and off the ball/unselfish bball, basically the style that The Bull's play

Yes I agree Ron, Prigioni what he brings is experience ! Although he's a rookie in the NBA he'e not in age. On our roster we have many guys when healthy who wants the ball to shoot, Prigioni brings an element of a facilitator that's contagious.

Felton likes to play uptempo, we all know the playoffs is half court, when the knicks 2nd unit hits the court I Prigioni running, it ALL THESE GUYS NOVAK COPELAND AMARE all want the ball in their spots and nobody better than Prigs making them happy.

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1/13/2013  5:06 PM
I think this most recent stretch without Ray showed us that once we're healthy Prigs cant lose his minutes. Having Kidd and JR as the main ball handlers just has not worked out and Pablo has shown that he can orchestrate the 2nd unit for a bit to spell Felton some minutes.
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1/19/2013  8:41 PM
I think Prigioni should be the backup pg and Kidd should be a sg, boy Woodson has some decisions to make. Prigs has grown into a back up position he has the right temperament for this team feisty , persistence and unselfish.

Pablo Prigioni is necessary even when our roster gets fully healthy.

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1/19/2013  9:15 PM
playa2 wrote:I think Prigioni should be the backup pg and Kidd should be a sg, boy Woodson has some decisions to make. Prigs has grown into a back up position he has the right temperament for this team feisty , persistence and unselfish.

Pablo Prigioni is necessary even when our roster gets fully healthy.

I 100% agree. Jason Kidd just doesn't have the agility any longer to run an offense as a starting PG. Now as a 2G? Kidd is an excellent coach on the floor. But I agree in regards to Pablo, he's earned his roster spot and/or playing time.

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1/19/2013  9:21 PM
With Shump and JR, exactly where is Kidd gonna get minutes at the 2? If anything it will be few 3 guard stints, but that's it.
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1/20/2013  11:37 PM
knickscity wrote:With Shump and JR, exactly where is Kidd gonna get minutes at the 2? If anything it will be few 3 guard stints, but that's it.

jason kidd will likely get most of his minutes in the 4 quarter when the team gets healthy - and that's awesome

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1/21/2013  11:56 AM
by the way, next yr...does Prigoni get resigned or will baron play 3rd string back up?
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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1/21/2013  12:24 PM
callmened wrote:by the way, next yr...does Prigoni get resigned or will baron play 3rd string back up?

Baron's never going to play basketball again. That knee injury combined with his age effectively ended his career.

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1/21/2013  12:27 PM
ouch....too bad
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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1/27/2013  7:40 PM
If we didn't have this pure pg our team would be in trouble because of ego's.
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1/31/2013  8:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2013  8:35 AM
Every game Pablo Prigioni continues to show knicks fans there is more to his game thatwe haven't seen as a 35 yr old rookie.

In the beginning all he did was pass the ball to his teammates fefusing to shoot, then he begin to shoot when he was open from downtown .

Defensively he catches pg's off guard by stealing the inbound pass from them.

Last night he shown the ability to fake the 3 and drive to the basket for a layup.

So glad this guy is on the team, he brings sanity and stability to the pg position for the knicks.

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1/31/2013  8:39 AM
Prigs is proven is value, allowing Kidd to get the rest he needs. Kidd has looked tired and a bit run down and even if he's not injured, he can use a few games off. His confidence in his 3ball seem to be growing and there was one awesome pick n roll play with Stat that had me spilling my beer all over the bed and I didn't care.
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3/21/2013  8:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2013  8:36 AM
Prigioni quiet is kept keeps this team in the right frame of mind when it comes to keeping the ball moving and guys getting rewarded for moving with out the ball.

PABLO is finally getting his chance, thank you Mike Woodson !

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3/21/2013  10:07 AM
VCoug wrote:
callmened wrote:by the way, next yr...does Prigoni get resigned or will baron play 3rd string back up?

Baron's never going to play basketball again. That knee injury combined with his age effectively ended his career.

Looks like no one's worrying about a Mike Bibby comeback, either. He's apparently concentrating on the next generation.
Former NBA player Mike Bibby was ejected from his son's basketball game and escorted from the gym by police.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8939238

But I guess almost a year out of the league didn't hurt Kenyon all that much. He might still be too young to play on the Knicks, though.

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3/21/2013  10:47 AM
playa2 wrote:Taken from Knicks Journal :

Prigioni's style of play makes him an absolute fireball on the court. On the defensive end, the 35 year old likes to chase down opponents with his sights set on taking the ball away. Able to catch a bevy of inbounds passes, Prigioni can run away with the ball, taking away the opponent's possession, all the while creating another potential opportunity for the Knickerbockers on the offensive end.

Though such an attack serves as the Argentine's signature move, Prigioni isn't simply a one trick pony. After dishing out a regular season-high of 9 assists, the floor general further proved he knows how to get his teammates involved. His fellow players appreciate the energy he brings along with him each time he hits the hardwood, and it's obvious they feed off of it.

As fate would have it Prigioni's international flavor helps him mesh quite well with Copeland, who has some overseas experience of his own. The pair play off one another nicely, and clearly have a sound understanding of one another after playing in similar systems over the years.

Prigioni is also in a unique situation when it comes to his conditioning, much like Kidd. After playing the role of starting point guard during his time in Europe, he came to the NBA, fully ready to embrace a larger role for the Knicks, only at a time like this. Not forced to log too many minutes in the season's first two plus months, Prigioni is now poised to shoot out of the Knicks' canon of secret weapons, certainly all rested up and ready to go.

This is a good observation on what he brings to the knicks.

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3/21/2013  10:50 AM
We were shocked that Pablo was starting today,” Carmelo Anthony said. “Woody threw that at us. But we adjusted to that. We moved the ball. Everybody shared the ball, especially at the start of the game. Got guys their confidence and we played well.”
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3/21/2013  2:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2013  2:33 PM
Staring Prigioni is one of the jazziest moves by Mike Woodson.

Felton although he has been trusted to lead the team, plays more with the mindset of a scorer as opposed to is distributor. Prigioni is unselfish to a fault.


Moreover, Prigioni, though an NBA rookie, has much more experience in big games than Felton does. After being drafted by the Charlotte Bobcats, Felton has played in just nine playoff games in his seven-year career.

Prigioni played professionally in his native Argentina for four years before taking his talents to Spain. He played there for numerous teams beginning in 1999, winning three Spanish King's Cups (and being named the Copa del Rey de Baloncesto MVP in 2006), four Spanish Supercups (named the Supercopa de España de Baloncesto MVP in 2008) and one league championship (2008).

He was named to the All-Euroleague Second Team twice (2006 and 2007). He was also named the best point guard in Liga ACB three times (2006, 2007 and 2009).
- Bleacher Report (dubwise)

Ball movement meets the pugnacious prowess of the prodigal (occasionally pouty) part-time point guard from Latta, South Carolina.

It's too perfect. Nice call playa2.

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3/21/2013  3:07 PM
misterearl wrote:Staring Prigioni is one of the jazziest moves by Mike Woodson.

Felton although he has been trusted to lead the team, plays more with the mindset of a scorer as opposed to is distributor. Prigioni is unselfish to a fault.


Moreover, Prigioni, though an NBA rookie, has much more experience in big games than Felton does. After being drafted by the Charlotte Bobcats, Felton has played in just nine playoff games in his seven-year career.

Prigioni played professionally in his native Argentina for four years before taking his talents to Spain. He played there for numerous teams beginning in 1999, winning three Spanish King's Cups (and being named the Copa del Rey de Baloncesto MVP in 2006), four Spanish Supercups (named the Supercopa de España de Baloncesto MVP in 2008) and one league championship (2008).

He was named to the All-Euroleague Second Team twice (2006 and 2007). He was also named the best point guard in Liga ACB three times (2006, 2007 and 2009).
- Bleacher Report (dubwise)

Ball movement meets the pugnacious prowess of the prodigal (occasionally pouty) part-time point guard from Latta, South Carolina.

It's too perfect. Nice call playa2.

If we're going to give props to Melo for winning in College (rightfully so) the same should be given to Felton for leading UNC to the title. I don't think big game experience separates the two. It's just that Prigs is a different breed of PG. Pass first, Pass second, Pass third, Pass fourth...MAYBE shoot fifth.

Felton does have more of a scoring mentality which is great when it's about getting to the basket as opposed to taking bad jumpers, which he has seemingly curbed the last month.

Prigioni Needs a chance in games

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