smackeddog wrote:Ah, the old 'what have you done for me lately' syndrome. I see this season it seems popular for posters to attack former darlings Novak and Tyson for the crime of being a bit inconsistant. Forget about all that they did for us last season- throw them all under a bus at the first sign of struggling and pretend like they have never been any good... next season: "Copeland is a bum! Bench him!"

No, what's happening is opposing teams game film preparation has caught up with our one dimensional guy Steve Novak.

Anji wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Ah, the old 'what have you done for me lately' syndrome. I see this season it seems popular for posters to attack former darlings Novak and Tyson for the crime of being a bit inconsistant. Forget about all that they did for us last season- throw them all under a bus at the first sign of struggling and pretend like they have never been any good... next season: "Copeland is a bum! Bench him!"

I don't think that's fair, I didn't throw Steve under the bus because of a bad game. I am just asking a question of can we get better while threw trades while getting approximately what Novack gives us from Copeland.

I think so.

I think Cope, much as I like him, is a bit of an illusion at this point- he hasn't played enough to give opposing teams much of a scouting report to work on. Once they start paying more attention to him, he may have his effectiveness reduced just like Novak. However,I think even if Novak isn't hitting his shots he's valuable due to the amount of attention teams have to give him to prevent him from getting his shot off- any opposing player committed to defending him, is one less defender the rest of our team has to deal with.

holfresh wrote:31 minutes of nothingness ...0 points, zero defense, and 1 foul that resulted in a three point play..

He was ill! He missed the last game, didn't practice- sheesh!

Bonn1997 wrote:Everyone has variability in their performance. Novak's bad games are low volume but not worse than most players. Something like 3 or 4 rbs, 2 assists, 1 for 6 shooting is probably not worse than 4 or 16 shooting even with a few more rbs or assists than Novak gives (basically a Felton/Smith sub-par game). Higher volume (more made and missed shots, more assists and more turnovers) does not necessarily mean better performance.

Novak is a poor defender at best...He averages 2 rebounds in 25 mins of play...His value is spacing and ability to knock down the open three...If he isn't shooting well or shooting at all, his presence hurts the team...We are essentially playing 4 on 5...Last night he had a shot in the corner and Nate Robinson ran out on him...He didn't shoot...Does he really have to be absolutely wide open to take and hit a shot???..He can't shoot over Nate???

I tolerate Felton's bad shooting nights because he defends and gets into the lane and creates easy looks for Chandler, Kidd and Brewer...Felton was bad all around last night by the way...Smith defends, rebounds(10 lat night), steals when his shot is off...Novak gives you nothing else....nothing...31 mins 3 rebs, 0 pts, 1 foul..Nothing..

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Everyone has variability in their performance. Novak's bad games are low volume but not worse than most players. Something like 3 or 4 rbs, 2 assists, 1 for 6 shooting is probably not worse than 4 or 16 shooting even with a few more rbs or assists than Novak gives (basically a Felton/Smith sub-par game). Higher volume (more made and missed shots, more assists and more turnovers) does not necessarily mean better performance.

Novak is a poor defender at best...He averages 2 rebounds in 25 mins of play...His value is spacing and ability to knock down the open three...If he isn't shooting well or shooting at all, his presence hurts the team...We are essentially playing 4 on 5...Last night he had a shot in the corner and Nate Robinson ran out on him...He didn't shoot...Does he really have to be absolutely wide open to take and hit a shot???..He can't shoot over Nate???

I tolerate Felton's bad shooting nights because he defends and gets into the lane and creates easy looks for Chandler, Kidd and Brewer...Felton was bad all around last night by the way...Smith defends, rebounds(10 lat night), steals when his shot is off...Novak gives you nothing else....nothing...31 mins 3 rebs, 0 pts, 1 foul..Nothing..

Not true, it seems he's usually on the floor whenever we make a run. when he's having an off game he doesn't hurt us as teams still zero in on him- he contribute more than his numbers, kind of like Jared Jeffries did.

HUH???...how does he contribute like Jeffries..He plays no defense..ZERO...2 rebounds in 25 mins....How????...I saw two instances last night where he was standing under the basket a let two guys just go in for lay ups...Not even an attempt at a foul...He gives us nothing...

Real problems are:
Felton
Brewer
Amare's health
Melo at the 4