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1/5/2013  7:18 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Boston...yes...how about the rest of the world?

Nowhere else I can think of besides Chicago maybe. My main point was that being popular doesnt make you an all star level player. I dont care if he gets voted in really but I dont believe he belongs there just yet.

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1/6/2013  2:12 AM
There is a minimum level of competence that a player has to display to get all star consideration, that's why bums like Scalabrini don't make the all star team but Jeremy Lin does,

it's impossible to define this level exactly, but jeremy lin is good enough to warrant his votes,

Houston is 20-14, lin is starting point guard! good for 59% win percentage and J Lin is dropping 12/4/6 with 2 steals, 0.5 blocks and shooting 43%, those are pretty good numbers, they're complete numbers, he does everything on the court and the team is winning and on pace to make playoffs in the west

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1/6/2013  2:13 AM
and he's had big games regularly if not frequently, and he showed up and balled something fierce at the garden
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1/6/2013  4:20 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:and he's had big games regularly if not frequently, and he showed up and balled something fierce at the garden

Solid numbers indeed. But not allstar numbers. Not at all.

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1/6/2013  4:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2013  4:35 AM
These are the PGs in the west who are playing allstar basketball: Paul, Westbrook, Parker, Mayo, Curry (20/6) That's it! Then there is Lillard (18/6). Then after that there is Ty Lawson (a shade under 14 and 7) and Jeremy Lin (12/6). Unfortunately in that top group of five (3 of them with the best record in the west), two or three will not make it. Lin will make it ahead of them. But....I guess that's the name of the game. Even Felton was avg 18 and 8 when he didn't make the allstar team in his first go 'round with the NYK. But hey, as long as the fans are entertained I guess.
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TheloniusMonk wrote:These are the PGs in the west who are playing allstar basketball: Paul, Westbrook, Parker, Mayo, Curry (20/6) That's it! Then there is Lillard (18/6). Then after that there is Ty Lawson (a shade under 14 and 7) and Jeremy Lin (12/6). Unfortunately in that top group of five (3 of them with the best record in the west), two or three will not make it. Lin will make it ahead of them. But....I guess that's the name of the game. Even Felton was avg 18 and 8 when he didn't make the allstar team in his first go 'round with the NYK. But hey, as long as the fans are entertained I guess.

sorry but Mayo is neither a PG, nor do I think he's playing quite at an all-star level (cooled off since the hot start).
And I'm not saying Dragič is playing at an all star level, but he's playing better than Lawson and Lin (just playing on a really crappy team).

Paul, Westbrook, Parker and Curry are the only ones who really deserve it, and although I'm not expecting to get this one right but damn, I'd be dissapointed if Parker didn't get in. Both he & the Spurs are too good to just overlook.
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1/6/2013  11:24 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:There is a minimum level of competence that a player has to display to get all star consideration, that's why bums like Scalabrini don't make the all star team but Jeremy Lin does,

it's impossible to define this level exactly, but jeremy lin is good enough to warrant his votes,

Houston is 20-14, lin is starting point guard! good for 59% win percentage and J Lin is dropping 12/4/6 with 2 steals, 0.5 blocks and shooting 43%, those are pretty good numbers, they're complete numbers, he does everything on the court and the team is winning and on pace to make playoffs in the west

They are good numbers but not close to Allstar #'s. The following are allstar #'s.....
Chris Paul: 17pts, 9 ast, 48%fg, 27-8 record
Tony Parker: 19pts, 7 ast, 51%fg, 27-9 record
Russell Westbrook: 22pts, 8 ast, 42%fg 25-7 best record in the west.
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1/6/2013  11:44 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:What the hell is your issue against fans voting who they want to see in the All Star game,

I voted for J Lin too, All Star game is about the stars fans want to see, not necessarily who has the best True Field Goal % or whatever advanced statistic,

It's a global game whether you like it or not and Jeremy Lin is an All-Star!!

Wang Zhizhi didn't get voted in, so it's not like Jeremy Lin sucks, JEREMY LIN HAS ALL-STAR GAMES REGULARLY, IF NOT YET FREQUENTLY

So chill out with the Anti-Lin hate

It's an allstar game not a pick-up game. Only players playing on a allstar level should be in the allstar game IMO. It has nothing to do with hating on Lin, but to be honest he has no business being ahead of Tony Parker and James Harden who are clearly having much better seasons than Lin.

There are others who have an ample amount of votes who have no business being in the discussion either. Ray Felton and Monta Ellis are not having better seasons than Holiday, etc...Its not about Lin, its about the process...

The process is perfect, All Star weekend is for the fans, they want to see their favorite players play in a game,

There are guys that do dirty work in the league and there are guys that shine bright, like Stars, and the stars is what the fans want to see at All Star weekend, and the two categories aren't mutually exclusive, so there are also stars that do plenty of dirty work,

I'm sure Tony Parker is fine with not getting the votes because he's too busy dropping buckets and taking names across all the land!!

It's almost a bad thing, to be voted in, because if I'm in that situation, I'm going for the break!! gotta rest it's a long season, I would sleep a lot

are you saying that the PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY is also flawed?

the allstar game should be a meritocracy voted on by head coaches, not a popularity contest for the nba fans. if it's meaningless and empty then what purpose does it serve other than entertainment? i'd rather see a great game with some meaning attached to it.

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dk7th wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:What the hell is your issue against fans voting who they want to see in the All Star game,

I voted for J Lin too, All Star game is about the stars fans want to see, not necessarily who has the best True Field Goal % or whatever advanced statistic,

It's a global game whether you like it or not and Jeremy Lin is an All-Star!!

Wang Zhizhi didn't get voted in, so it's not like Jeremy Lin sucks, JEREMY LIN HAS ALL-STAR GAMES REGULARLY, IF NOT YET FREQUENTLY

So chill out with the Anti-Lin hate

It's an allstar game not a pick-up game. Only players playing on a allstar level should be in the allstar game IMO. It has nothing to do with hating on Lin, but to be honest he has no business being ahead of Tony Parker and James Harden who are clearly having much better seasons than Lin.

There are others who have an ample amount of votes who have no business being in the discussion either. Ray Felton and Monta Ellis are not having better seasons than Holiday, etc...Its not about Lin, its about the process...

The process is perfect, All Star weekend is for the fans, they want to see their favorite players play in a game,

There are guys that do dirty work in the league and there are guys that shine bright, like Stars, and the stars is what the fans want to see at All Star weekend, and the two categories aren't mutually exclusive, so there are also stars that do plenty of dirty work,

I'm sure Tony Parker is fine with not getting the votes because he's too busy dropping buckets and taking names across all the land!!

It's almost a bad thing, to be voted in, because if I'm in that situation, I'm going for the break!! gotta rest it's a long season, I would sleep a lot

are you saying that the PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY is also flawed?

the allstar game should be a meritocracy voted on by head coaches, not a popularity contest for the nba fans. if it's meaningless and empty then what purpose does it serve other than entertainment? i'd rather see a great game with some meaning attached to it.


You would, but I'm pretty sure half of asia would dissagree with you if it ment not seeing Lin (which let's hope happens because honestly it'd be a disgrace if he was voted in ahead of Paul/Westbrook/Parker (to name a few))
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NYKMentality wrote:Well it's not surprising at all in regards to Lin. Not to bring culture and/or race into this, but Jeremy Lin's not being voted into the all star game due to his overall ability and/or production on the basketball court. He's being voted into the game due to the fact that he's of Asian descent. He's an Asian-American but this doesn't change the fact that Billions of people from China and Asia as a whole is voting for this guy. Basketball is big over there. When they see an Asian in the NBA? They vote, and vote in numbers too. Jeremy Lin could've sat out each and every game, and he'd still get voted into the game. Congrats to Jeremy Lin and his world-wide popularity though.

Guys called me Racist when I said he'd probably make it as a starter because of the Emo Fanboys along with the Asian Love.

No way in hell is Lin making it over Chris Paul. Isn't there a Sophomore challenge? Isn't Lin a Sophomore technically? He'll probably end up there instead.
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1/6/2013  4:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2013  4:06 PM
OGkush121 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:What the hell is your issue against fans voting who they want to see in the All Star game,

I voted for J Lin too, All Star game is about the stars fans want to see, not necessarily who has the best True Field Goal % or whatever advanced statistic,

It's a global game whether you like it or not and Jeremy Lin is an All-Star!!

Wang Zhizhi didn't get voted in, so it's not like Jeremy Lin sucks, JEREMY LIN HAS ALL-STAR GAMES REGULARLY, IF NOT YET FREQUENTLY

So chill out with the Anti-Lin hate

It's an allstar game not a pick-up game. Only players playing on a allstar level should be in the allstar game IMO. It has nothing to do with hating on Lin, but to be honest he has no business being ahead of Tony Parker and James Harden who are clearly having much better seasons than Lin.

There are others who have an ample amount of votes who have no business being in the discussion either. Ray Felton and Monta Ellis are not having better seasons than Holiday, etc...Its not about Lin, its about the process...

The process is perfect, All Star weekend is for the fans, they want to see their favorite players play in a game,

There are guys that do dirty work in the league and there are guys that shine bright, like Stars, and the stars is what the fans want to see at All Star weekend, and the two categories aren't mutually exclusive, so there are also stars that do plenty of dirty work,

I'm sure Tony Parker is fine with not getting the votes because he's too busy dropping buckets and taking names across all the land!!

It's almost a bad thing, to be voted in, because if I'm in that situation, I'm going for the break!! gotta rest it's a long season, I would sleep a lot

are you saying that the PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY is also flawed?

the allstar game should be a meritocracy voted on by head coaches, not a popularity contest for the nba fans. if it's meaningless and empty then what purpose does it serve other than entertainment? i'd rather see a great game with some meaning attached to it.


You would, but I'm pretty sure half of asia would dissagree with you if it ment not seeing Lin (which let's hope happens because honestly it'd be a disgrace if he was voted in ahead of Paul/Westbrook/Parker (to name a few))


Why is it that everyone keeps thinking Asia's got any interest in seeing Lin in the All Star?????? If China were to vote right now, Lin would be number 1 or 2 already. The point is, China doesn't really give a crap about seeing Jeremy Lin in the All Stars. The distance between Yao Ming and Jeremy Lin is huge. Jeremy Lin is an American of Taiwanese descent. Yao Ming is like one of China's national treasure.

It's always comical when people bring up Chinese voters.
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Syniko wrote:
OGkush121 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:What the hell is your issue against fans voting who they want to see in the All Star game,

I voted for J Lin too, All Star game is about the stars fans want to see, not necessarily who has the best True Field Goal % or whatever advanced statistic,

It's a global game whether you like it or not and Jeremy Lin is an All-Star!!

Wang Zhizhi didn't get voted in, so it's not like Jeremy Lin sucks, JEREMY LIN HAS ALL-STAR GAMES REGULARLY, IF NOT YET FREQUENTLY

So chill out with the Anti-Lin hate

It's an allstar game not a pick-up game. Only players playing on a allstar level should be in the allstar game IMO. It has nothing to do with hating on Lin, but to be honest he has no business being ahead of Tony Parker and James Harden who are clearly having much better seasons than Lin.

There are others who have an ample amount of votes who have no business being in the discussion either. Ray Felton and Monta Ellis are not having better seasons than Holiday, etc...Its not about Lin, its about the process...

The process is perfect, All Star weekend is for the fans, they want to see their favorite players play in a game,

There are guys that do dirty work in the league and there are guys that shine bright, like Stars, and the stars is what the fans want to see at All Star weekend, and the two categories aren't mutually exclusive, so there are also stars that do plenty of dirty work,

I'm sure Tony Parker is fine with not getting the votes because he's too busy dropping buckets and taking names across all the land!!

It's almost a bad thing, to be voted in, because if I'm in that situation, I'm going for the break!! gotta rest it's a long season, I would sleep a lot

are you saying that the PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY is also flawed?

the allstar game should be a meritocracy voted on by head coaches, not a popularity contest for the nba fans. if it's meaningless and empty then what purpose does it serve other than entertainment? i'd rather see a great game with some meaning attached to it.


You would, but I'm pretty sure half of asia would dissagree with you if it ment not seeing Lin (which let's hope happens because honestly it'd be a disgrace if he was voted in ahead of Paul/Westbrook/Parker (to name a few))


Why is it that everyone keeps thinking Asia's got any interest in seeing Lin in the All Star?????? If China were to vote right now, Lin would be number 1 or 2 already. The point is, China doesn't really give a crap about seeing Jeremy Lin in the All Stars. The distance between Yao Ming and Jeremy Lin is huge. Jeremy Lin is an American of Taiwanese descent. Yao Ming is like one of China's national treasure.

It's always comical when people bring up Chinese voters.


Because they do.

Oh and Asia =/= China
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1/6/2013  7:44 PM
Syniko wrote:
OGkush121 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:What the hell is your issue against fans voting who they want to see in the All Star game,

I voted for J Lin too, All Star game is about the stars fans want to see, not necessarily who has the best True Field Goal % or whatever advanced statistic,

It's a global game whether you like it or not and Jeremy Lin is an All-Star!!

Wang Zhizhi didn't get voted in, so it's not like Jeremy Lin sucks, JEREMY LIN HAS ALL-STAR GAMES REGULARLY, IF NOT YET FREQUENTLY

So chill out with the Anti-Lin hate

It's an allstar game not a pick-up game. Only players playing on a allstar level should be in the allstar game IMO. It has nothing to do with hating on Lin, but to be honest he has no business being ahead of Tony Parker and James Harden who are clearly having much better seasons than Lin.

There are others who have an ample amount of votes who have no business being in the discussion either. Ray Felton and Monta Ellis are not having better seasons than Holiday, etc...Its not about Lin, its about the process...

The process is perfect, All Star weekend is for the fans, they want to see their favorite players play in a game,

There are guys that do dirty work in the league and there are guys that shine bright, like Stars, and the stars is what the fans want to see at All Star weekend, and the two categories aren't mutually exclusive, so there are also stars that do plenty of dirty work,

I'm sure Tony Parker is fine with not getting the votes because he's too busy dropping buckets and taking names across all the land!!

It's almost a bad thing, to be voted in, because if I'm in that situation, I'm going for the break!! gotta rest it's a long season, I would sleep a lot

are you saying that the PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY is also flawed?

the allstar game should be a meritocracy voted on by head coaches, not a popularity contest for the nba fans. if it's meaningless and empty then what purpose does it serve other than entertainment? i'd rather see a great game with some meaning attached to it.


You would, but I'm pretty sure half of asia would dissagree with you if it ment not seeing Lin (which let's hope happens because honestly it'd be a disgrace if he was voted in ahead of Paul/Westbrook/Parker (to name a few))


Why is it that everyone keeps thinking Asia's got any interest in seeing Lin in the All Star?????? If China were to vote right now, Lin would be number 1 or 2 already. The point is, China doesn't really give a crap about seeing Jeremy Lin in the All Stars. The distance between Yao Ming and Jeremy Lin is huge. Jeremy Lin is an American of Taiwanese descent. Yao Ming is like one of China's national treasure.

It's always comical when people bring up Chinese voters.

From Hangtime Blog

Now, though the U.S. born Lin is as American as apple pie, his families ties to Taipei and China, are causing a similar stuffing of the ballot box.

The latest round of balloting shows Bryant (977,444) taking a slim lead over LeBron James (970,314) in a race of superstars for the overall crown that will likely go down to the wire.

However, depending on how many votes are still to coming from overseas, it is not out of the question that Lin (496,133) could catch the Clippers’ Paul (542,564), while continuing to leave his teammate Harden (283,691) in the dust.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/12/27/all-star-linsanity-swallows-harden/
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1/6/2013  10:46 PM
I will LoL if Lin is an All Star. If he is as humble as some claim then he will choose not to play in the game. His numbers are not even remotely all star caliber.
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1/6/2013  11:12 PM
All star is not sporting event. This is an ultimate show.
If lin is good for the show, if he can bring more fans to watch and purchase bbal related crap, he will be woted in.
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1/6/2013  11:17 PM
I think that the all star game is so awful and boring that I look forward to Lin making it and all the theatrics that will come along with it.
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1/6/2013  11:23 PM
I wanna see Linsanity in the all star game, he needs to go off for 30 points and get all star mvp, then he'll dominate the second half of season
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1/6/2013  11:24 PM
Lin is on my fantasy team too and I've enjoyed his recent surge in production
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1/7/2013  10:57 AM
NUPE wrote:I will LoL if Lin is an All Star. If he is as humble as some claim then he will choose not to play in the game. His numbers are not even remotely all star caliber.

That's not humble; that's a slap in the face to the fans who wanted to see you play. That's like a presidential candidate, after winning the election, saying he's not gonna take office.
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1/7/2013  11:00 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:What the hell is your issue against fans voting who they want to see in the All Star game,

I voted for J Lin too, All Star game is about the stars fans want to see, not necessarily who has the best True Field Goal % or whatever advanced statistic,

It's a global game whether you like it or not and Jeremy Lin is an All-Star!!

Wang Zhizhi didn't get voted in, so it's not like Jeremy Lin sucks, JEREMY LIN HAS ALL-STAR GAMES REGULARLY, IF NOT YET FREQUENTLY

So chill out with the Anti-Lin hate

If you voted for Lin to be in the AS Game then you should NEVER EVER BE allowed to vote again. Its one thing to be a fan but another thing all together to be an Assfan. That's what you are if you think this guy belongs in the Allstar Game this year. The ManLOVE for this guy is just over the top. Surprised people were saying he's really Jesus, just playing ball until its time for the Rapture.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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