IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Once Amare returns later this month Melo will still have the occasional breakout game where he scores 40+ because he is a great player. However, his overall average will go down because he will lose 10-15 shots to Amare

melo has said himself that he doesnt wnat to score 40 all the time anymore. This year he has had no choice with amare out but once amare is back we will ahve more balance plus we could rest melo some minutes

Exactly he is carrying the offensive load like he did last year when Amare went down with the bad back but he knows(he said admitted it before the season started on media day) that in order for the Knicks to win it all he has to do a better job of getting Amare good shots

I agree. I think some are focusing on individual awards and not the biggest prize which is a title. I dont think Melo cares about MVP he wants to win a title.

I believe everyone cares more about a title, but even having players considered for the top individual awards are great as well. Trust me, I rather make it to the finals or even ECF over Melo winning the Reg Season MVP 1000/1000 times

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

YOU WOULD think so chuck, but there are some posters that just don't get it... you know who they are, why not check them from time to time.. just because you may agree with them doesn't mean those antics should not go unchecked, you see what he is doing...

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

he is relevent because he was the last Knick to be in the MVP conversation. His accomplishments both personal (awards/honors) and team (Ws/Ls, playoffs) far exceed what Melo has ever done. So there's the bar and yes its relevent.

For Melo to be in the discussion he need to go out and guard and lock down the opposition's best scoring wing. If he's doing that while scoring 25ppg he will be an MVP candidate.

Knicks and Melo have had a great start. Seasons, games and titles arent won in the first qtr., and Melo has NEVER been a legit or serious MVP candidate in the past (Ewing was) so its not like this is the year he gets over the hump. Lets win some playoff games first!

Ewing's career achievements have no bearing on whether Melo will win an MVP in 2013. You people continue to come up with creative reasons as to why Melo can't possibly win. Please show me where one person that actually has a vote has stated Melo can't possibly win MVP because Ewing has never won MVP.

Ewing also never WON NBA DPOY but somehow Tyson managed to win one.

Melo winning NBA MVP has no bearing on whether he is a better or worse player than EWING. MELO is not required to surpass EWING's career in order to win MVP. These imaginary hurdles you people continue to come up with are outlandish.

MVP goes to the best player on one of the top 2 or 4 teams.

The Knicks presently have the best record in the East and 3rd best record in the league. Melo is playing outlandishly well. Melo, according to Stephen A. Smith and Skip (people with votes) is the NBA MVP as of today!

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

he is relevent because he was the last Knick to be in the MVP conversation. His accomplishments both personal (awards/honors) and team (Ws/Ls, playoffs) far exceed what Melo has ever done. So there's the bar and yes its relevent.

For Melo to be in the discussion he need to go out and guard and lock down the opposition's best scoring wing. If he's doing that while scoring 25ppg he will be an MVP candidate.

Knicks and Melo have had a great start. Seasons, games and titles arent won in the first qtr., and Melo has NEVER been a legit or serious MVP candidate in the past (Ewing was) so its not like this is the year he gets over the hump. Lets win some playoff games first!

Ewing's career achievements have no bearing on whether Melo will win an MVP in 2013. You people continue to come up with creative reasons as to why Melo can't possibly win. Please show me where one person that actually has a vote has stated Melo can't possibly win MVP because Ewing has never won MVP.

Ewing also never WON NBA DPOY but somehow Tyson managed to win one.

Melo winning NBA MVP has no bearing on whether he is a better or worse player than EWING. MELO is not required to surpass EWING's career in order to win MVP. These imaginary hurdles you people continue to come up with are outlandish.

MVP goes to the best player on one of the top 2 or 4 teams.

The Knicks presently have the best record in the East and 3rd best record in the league. Melo is playing outlandishly well. Melo, according to Stephen A. Smith and Skip (people with votes) is the NBA MVP as of today!

Great post NUPE.

Someone that played 20 years ago impacts this year's MVP race.

Nice.

gunsnewing wrote:but Amare is out. Once Amare returns Melo's numbers will go down. Not hating just realistic

Amar'e will take shots from JR, Rasheed, Kurt and Felton. Melo's scoring may drop a point or two at most but his efficiency may go up.

3G4G wrote:More Melo threads, we need just a few more if at all possible.

Pretty much a useless post. You don't need to respond if you have nothing of substance to state.

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:It's not a "trap"; it's the truth. Kobe Bryant is the closest thing to MJ23 since Michael Joran himself. When has Kobe Bryant even gone out of his way to consider an NBA player as the toughest cover in the NBA?

Like I've stated time and time again Carmelo Anthony is nothing short of a scoring phenom. A pure scoring machine is what Melo has always been. The greatest scorer I've ever seen as a Knick and I loved Ewing for all his worth, but not even Ewing could score at Melo's clip/rate. Melo can score from anywhere on the court. He takes over games. Dominates opposing defenses for 4 quarters strong and may go down as the greatest scorer in Knicks franchise history.

The man is on pace to rank top 5 all time in NBA scoring. Some negative critics who've never had an understanding of overall NBA history may consider Melo a "chucker" but when in reality, he's one of the greatest scorers of all-time. Now that he's improved his defense since arriving to New York ala where his heart's at; he's without question one of the greatest players in the world. Top 5 without question.

Kobe Bryant after his 10th NBA seasons put up a total of 16,886 points. Carmelo Anthony has put up 16,453 points (and hasn't even completed his 10th NBA season yet). Currently in his 10th season as of right now.

If Melo continues his average of 27.7 points per game during our final 61 regular season games, that'll be another 1,689 points on top of his already 16,453 points scored.

Carmelo Anthony could be at 18,142 points after his 10th season of play when compared to Kobe's 16,886 after 10 NBA seasons. Melo also has a higher career field goal percentage (.457%) when compared to Kobe Bryant's (.454%).

I loved Ewing for all his worth but Melo is quickly becoming my all-time favorite Knick. Led a New York school in Syracuse to their only National Championship. Has always dreamed (dating back to his childhood days) of playing inside of Madison Square Garden for our Knicks. New York bloodline. Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for the Mecca of New York. Passed up on his home borough of Brooklyn in order to lead our Knicks into potential/future greatness. But yet, we have a couple of Knick fans who aren't full blown Melo supporters? The man's heart and soul is here with our Knicks franchise. If Melo ever leads us to an NBA World Championship? He'll own New York City once and for all. Forever too.

you must have missed the Bernard king years.. he makes carmelo scoring look like Ronnie Brewer...

benard didn't really have help, he was force to put up ridiculous #s and heavy minutes, which ended his career a little premature..

Maybe if Amare re-injures himself but we don't want that heading into the playoffs just so Melo gets his MVP award

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:but Amare is out. Once Amare returns Melo's numbers will go down. Not hating just realistic

Amar'e will take shots from JR, Rasheed, Kurt and Felton. Melo's scoring may drop a point or two at most but his efficiency may go up.

I agree. I just don't see how he wins the MVP with averages of 23/6/4. I don't expect him to average more than 4 assists at most. Felton is the PG and is averaging only 6.8

We will see how things play out. As of today, it can be argued that Melo is the front-runner. A month or two or three from now that may not be the case.