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12/4/2012  12:57 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:This is where Amare fits in


Habits will have set in by then. Shooting deep perimeter shots as a first option is a habit not an adaptive style of play nor one that leans to mixing styles. It's not like we were ever fine tuned with Amar'e. Amar'e will have his knee on his mind when he plays too.

Shooting deep perimeter shots is not the first option. the shots are coming from plays, deep penetration, drives and kicks and more. This team rarely looks out of control and most of the time are taking shots they wanted to take. It's not a chuck fest out there. I've already seen plenty of times already this season if we get cold from outside Melo & Felton makes a effort to drive and get to the foul line. We have a coach that makes common sense adjustments.

The team is running this style to shoot the 3ball, ISO Melo, or throw lobs..... not layups, midrange shots, shots off screens, backdoors, pts in the paint, from the post, from the elbow....etc etc. Our players stay perimeter the majority of the game. It is a chuckfest it just doesn't look like it because we're making the shots wait till they stop falling. It's the very reason we have big leads yet teams are never truly out of the game.

we are next to last in points in the paint.... we are not driving and kicking, heck, we are not driving much at all...not sure what people are looking at...

And exactly why is that such a big deal for you to keep pointing out? Especially since Amare, who will provide more inside scoring is injured?

But since you think this is the ONLY way of winning and teams that score inside typically do better, let's throw out a few facts.

1. Let's take the Detroit Pistons for example, just because that's where I'm from and went to every game from 2003 - 2006. Detroit won the NBA championship in 2004 - ranked 24 in points in the paint. 2005 went to the finals again - RANKED DEAD LAST in points in the paint. Made it to the conference finals in 06, 07, and 08 -- again ranked last in points in the paint.

2. Dallas Mavs - Guess what ... ranked 26th in their championship year.

3. The other recent championships that went to the lakers, Heat(2006), spurs and celtics is because those teams had 3 people - Shaq, Duncan and Garnett.

4. Not to say that scoring points in the paint is not the way to go, but history proves that so many other teams have done it the opposite way and sustained for YEARS.

5. Also here is the bad with your argument, Denver and houston are leading this year with points in the paint, but are only at .500. The kings are third and have a record of 4-12. Last year the top 3 teams were Denver, Utah (both lost in the 1st rd and matter of fact Utah was swept) and The kings, who didn't make it to the playoffs.

6. The knicks are doing other things to makeup for the deficit. How about mentioning that in turnovers we are in 1st place? That we are 2nd in 1st qt margin and 7th in the 2nd qt, which means we are taking care of business early. What about us being 9th among the defense this year? Or does defense do not count? Because we are 4th in steals.

well first of all I didn't say this is the only way.. can you point out where I said that? if not then don't quote things I never said..

next:

did all of those teams take as many threes as we did? seems like those teams are the exception not the rule? and yea, the lakers, heat, spurs and celts have won most of the titles and they score a lot in the paint.. but guess what, the spurs won scoring points in the paint, not just because or duncan..but also tony parker.... heat, with wade, celts with rondo and pierce, and yes rondo and pierce play close to the basket, not just garnett...

the knicks seem to iso way too much and they take too many shots away from the basket.... now not turning the ball over, and playing defense is fine, but we are talking about trying to beat the elite teams.. remember our goal... we are just not trying to be good, we are trying to win a ring now with such a short window... we can't be a team that chucks that many threes, and don't rebound....

you're wrong-- all you need is a 12-4 record and it basically means coasting into the finals.

Who cares about a 12-4 record, I don't. Is it good? Of course, we're winning, but still have a lot of work to be done. All I'm saying is that there are different ways of winning and we can't be stuck on 1 particular area especially when our 100 million dollar PF is injured or our young slashing SG is recovering from a torn acl. But I laid out facts ... can't argue with that.

the one thing that links detroit and the mavs, actually, is superior point guard play characterized by penetrating and facilitating. (the three ball is actually not even necessary to discuss here.)

billups was playing elite basketball those two years, kidd + barea were a very effective duo with a good synthesis of facilitating and penetrating. rondo is great at penetrating and facilitating. parker is also great at penetrating. all are superior to felton in both facilitating and penetrating. felton is never going to find the balance necessary to lead this team to a title and we already see how very important kidd has been by his absence just in facilitating alone.

don't know how bringing up denver or houston or sacramento matters here. they are not in the knicks situation of needing to win it all in the next couple of years. apples to apples please.

Denver, Houston and Sacromento were brought up because they lead the league in points in the paint, which we were discussing, right? If we are saying this is a recipe for winning, then those teams should be doing better or have done better in the past. But we agree on the point guard situation, Felton has been good this year with the minus a few games, but in order for us to go deep in the playoffs, he has to drive more and move the ball better.

But in the end all those teams win with defense.


how are these points in the paint being accumulated? with post play, driving and finishing, offensive rebounds and putbacks? faried is second to varejau in o-bounds and that is his game. much of the paint points are coming from faried and perhaps quite a few from lawson finishing at the rim. he's good at that, better than felton for sure. so there's post play/points in the paint of experts and then there is post play/points in the paint of opportunists.

lawson is not doing that well facilitating and his 3-point shooting is way off, so it's tough for that offense to do well in the halfcourt. my opinion is he needs to look to score less and facilitate more... in general. he's only going to get better.

houston with asik is in a similar situation. an opportunist for putbacks more than a legit post threat.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/4/2012  1:10 PM
dk7th wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
tkf wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
tkf wrote:
3G4G wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:This is where Amare fits in


Habits will have set in by then. Shooting deep perimeter shots as a first option is a habit not an adaptive style of play nor one that leans to mixing styles. It's not like we were ever fine tuned with Amar'e. Amar'e will have his knee on his mind when he plays too.

Shooting deep perimeter shots is not the first option. the shots are coming from plays, deep penetration, drives and kicks and more. This team rarely looks out of control and most of the time are taking shots they wanted to take. It's not a chuck fest out there. I've already seen plenty of times already this season if we get cold from outside Melo & Felton makes a effort to drive and get to the foul line. We have a coach that makes common sense adjustments.

The team is running this style to shoot the 3ball, ISO Melo, or throw lobs..... not layups, midrange shots, shots off screens, backdoors, pts in the paint, from the post, from the elbow....etc etc. Our players stay perimeter the majority of the game. It is a chuckfest it just doesn't look like it because we're making the shots wait till they stop falling. It's the very reason we have big leads yet teams are never truly out of the game.

we are next to last in points in the paint.... we are not driving and kicking, heck, we are not driving much at all...not sure what people are looking at...

And exactly why is that such a big deal for you to keep pointing out? Especially since Amare, who will provide more inside scoring is injured?

But since you think this is the ONLY way of winning and teams that score inside typically do better, let's throw out a few facts.

1. Let's take the Detroit Pistons for example, just because that's where I'm from and went to every game from 2003 - 2006. Detroit won the NBA championship in 2004 - ranked 24 in points in the paint. 2005 went to the finals again - RANKED DEAD LAST in points in the paint. Made it to the conference finals in 06, 07, and 08 -- again ranked last in points in the paint.

2. Dallas Mavs - Guess what ... ranked 26th in their championship year.

3. The other recent championships that went to the lakers, Heat(2006), spurs and celtics is because those teams had 3 people - Shaq, Duncan and Garnett.

4. Not to say that scoring points in the paint is not the way to go, but history proves that so many other teams have done it the opposite way and sustained for YEARS.

5. Also here is the bad with your argument, Denver and houston are leading this year with points in the paint, but are only at .500. The kings are third and have a record of 4-12. Last year the top 3 teams were Denver, Utah (both lost in the 1st rd and matter of fact Utah was swept) and The kings, who didn't make it to the playoffs.

6. The knicks are doing other things to makeup for the deficit. How about mentioning that in turnovers we are in 1st place? That we are 2nd in 1st qt margin and 7th in the 2nd qt, which means we are taking care of business early. What about us being 9th among the defense this year? Or does defense do not count? Because we are 4th in steals.

well first of all I didn't say this is the only way.. can you point out where I said that? if not then don't quote things I never said..

next:

did all of those teams take as many threes as we did? seems like those teams are the exception not the rule? and yea, the lakers, heat, spurs and celts have won most of the titles and they score a lot in the paint.. but guess what, the spurs won scoring points in the paint, not just because or duncan..but also tony parker.... heat, with wade, celts with rondo and pierce, and yes rondo and pierce play close to the basket, not just garnett...

the knicks seem to iso way too much and they take too many shots away from the basket.... now not turning the ball over, and playing defense is fine, but we are talking about trying to beat the elite teams.. remember our goal... we are just not trying to be good, we are trying to win a ring now with such a short window... we can't be a team that chucks that many threes, and don't rebound....

you're wrong-- all you need is a 12-4 record and it basically means coasting into the finals.

Who cares about a 12-4 record, I don't. Is it good? Of course, we're winning, but still have a lot of work to be done. All I'm saying is that there are different ways of winning and we can't be stuck on 1 particular area especially when our 100 million dollar PF is injured or our young slashing SG is recovering from a torn acl. But I laid out facts ... can't argue with that.

the one thing that links detroit and the mavs, actually, is superior point guard play characterized by penetrating and facilitating. (the three ball is actually not even necessary to discuss here.)

billups was playing elite basketball those two years, kidd + barea were a very effective duo with a good synthesis of facilitating and penetrating. rondo is great at penetrating and facilitating. parker is also great at penetrating. all are superior to felton in both facilitating and penetrating. felton is never going to find the balance necessary to lead this team to a title and we already see how very important kidd has been by his absence just in facilitating alone.

don't know how bringing up denver or houston or sacramento matters here. they are not in the knicks situation of needing to win it all in the next couple of years. apples to apples please.

Denver, Houston and Sacromento were brought up because they lead the league in points in the paint, which we were discussing, right? If we are saying this is a recipe for winning, then those teams should be doing better or have done better in the past. But we agree on the point guard situation, Felton has been good this year with the minus a few games, but in order for us to go deep in the playoffs, he has to drive more and move the ball better.

But in the end all those teams win with defense.


how are these points in the paint being accumulated? with post play, driving and finishing, offensive rebounds and putbacks? faried is second to varejau in o-bounds and that is his game. much of the paint points are coming from faried and perhaps quite a few from lawson finishing at the rim. he's good at that, better than felton for sure. so there's post play/points in the paint of experts and then there is post play/points in the paint of opportunists.

lawson is not doing that well facilitating and his 3-point shooting is way off, so it's tough for that offense to do well in the halfcourt. my opinion is he needs to look to score less and facilitate more... in general. he's only going to get better.

houston with asik is in a similar situation. an opportunist for putbacks more than a legit post threat.

denver gets to the basket a lot, not only faried, but koufus and mcgett, and even andre miller get in the paint a lot, and you have to add in iggy as well.

houston, it is not only asik, but lin and harden, i have seen harden live in the paint a lot, and they also get a lot of cheap baskets from guys like smith and even patterson... those teams don't iso a lot and rely a lot on player movement hitting the cutter.. they also do their fair share of drive and dish.. you are right lawson needs to look to pass more, no reason for him not to average 9 dimes a game.. no one can stay in front of that guy..

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12/4/2012  1:18 PM
Let's look at the numbers. We're shooting 28.1 3's a game, hitting 41.6% of them and scoring 35 pts a game on 3's.

If our % dips to 37% (league avg is ~35%) and we shoot the same 28.1/game, our scoring off of the threes will dip to 31 ppg. That's a decline of 4 pts/game.

Now, if you look at some of the analysis from the NBA stat nerds, you'll see how meaningful this is. This correlates avg margin of victory to winning %. http://sportsstatsanalysis.com/2011/03/28/margin-of-victory-in-the-nba/

We're currently winning a game by an average of 8.2 pts. That correlates to ~63 wins. If that drops to 4.2 pts avg margin of victory, this guys model would predict ~ 52 wins.

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12/4/2012  1:28 PM
bernard - other than the league average, what factors are you expecting to cause the drop in three point percentage?
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12/4/2012  1:44 PM
Reversion to the mean.

Brewer is a 26% career 3-point shooter, Melo and RayRay 33%, Kidd 35%, JR 37%. Only Novak is shooting right around (slightly below) his career avg 44% this year.

I can believe everyone is getting better looks than they have on average during their career, and they might outperform their career averages, but it's seems farfetched that all of these guys will end the season above 40%. You don't often see so many guys on a given team obliterating their career bests in the same year.

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12/4/2012  1:54 PM
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bernard wrote:Reversion to the mean.

Brewer is a 26% career 3-point shooter, Melo and RayRay 33%, Kidd 35%, JR 37%. Only Novak is shooting right around (slightly below) his career avg 44% this year.

I can believe everyone is getting better looks than they have on average during their career, and they might outperform their career averages, but it's seems farfetched that all of these guys will end the season above 40%. You don't often see so many guys on a given team obliterating their career bests in the same year.

The Knicks being 13-4 is farfetched, but it is about to happen.

“To me it’s a confidence thing. Having (Hopla) to help me, to critique what I’m doing wrong and where I can make an adjustment in practice and to me that’s what practice is for. It’s about practicing and making adjustments to correct things that you didn’t do well before.”

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12/4/2012  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2012  2:05 PM
bernard wrote:Reversion to the mean.

Brewer is a 26% career 3-point shooter, Melo and RayRay 33%, Kidd 35%, JR 37%. Only Novak is shooting right around (slightly below) his career avg 44% this year.

I can believe everyone is getting better looks than they have on average during their career, and they might outperform their career averages, but it's seems farfetched that all of these guys will end the season above 40%. You don't often see so many guys on a given team obliterating their career bests in the same year.

You could be right but also need to include the % on the type of threes they shoot, i.e catch and shoot, spot ups, in transition, and off the dribble.

Another key may be number of attemps. Like with Brewer he never avg more than 1 3pt attempt per game and this year he is at 2.3 so far. The highest total of 3s he has taken in a year is 85 and this year he has shot 36 in 16 games.

The increase in attemps gives him a chance at improving his 3 pt percentage. Look at his best years at the FT line. He shot a better percentage when he attempted more FTs per game.

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12/4/2012  5:12 PM
bernard wrote:Let's look at the numbers. We're shooting 28.1 3's a game, hitting 41.6% of them and scoring 35 pts a game on 3's.

If our % dips to 37% (league avg is ~35%) and we shoot the same 28.1/game, our scoring off of the threes will dip to 31 ppg. That's a decline of 4 pts/game.

Now, if you look at some of the analysis from the NBA stat nerds, you'll see how meaningful this is. This correlates avg margin of victory to winning %. http://sportsstatsanalysis.com/2011/03/28/margin-of-victory-in-the-nba/

We're currently winning a game by an average of 8.2 pts. That correlates to ~63 wins. If that drops to 4.2 pts avg margin of victory, this guys model would predict ~ 52 wins.

Nothing wrong with 52+ wins at all.

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12/4/2012  7:53 PM
Bauman: Knicks secret weapon is shooting coach Dave Hopla
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By Jeremy Bauman
December 03, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Ronnie Brewer hops up from where he’s posted at the scorer’s table about an hour before tip-off against the Phoenix Suns.

“I’ll be back,” said Brewer. “Gotta get some shots up.”

The shooting guard runs across the court and finds New York’s shooting guru, Dave Hopla, for a pre-game workout.

“To me it’s a confidence thing, said Brewer following the Knicks 106-99 win over the Phoenix Suns. “Having him be able to help me, to critique what I’m doing wrong and where I can make an adjustment in practice and to me that’s what practice is for. It’s about practicing and making adjustments to correct things that you didn’t do well before.”

That’s what Dave Hopla was brought in to do.

While holding shooting demonstrations in the summer of 2007, he made 11,093 of 11,183 shots he took – a 99.19 shooting percentage – and it’s not a coincidence. Hopla consistently shoots at absurd rates because he’s practiced and written down every shooting session since he was 16 years old.

At the aforementioned clinics, Hopla details the importance of hard work and effort that go into shooting on a daily basis.

“They don’t put enough time in,” Hopla told iHoops.com. “Kids play how many AAU games in the summer? When do they go in a gym and make 500 shots in the summertime? They never do it. All they do is play games.

“You’re not going to become a better shooter or a better player just by playing games. It’s not going to happen. You wonder why guys can’t make free throws. They don’t practice them. They play AAU games. They play four games a day on the weekends and they travel from city to city.”

Now in his mid-50′s, Hopla understands the nuances of shooting as well as anybody in the world, which is just one of the reasons the New York Knicks hired him to be their shooting specialist before the season. December 03, 2012 at 11:34 AM

“It’s nice to have a guy who as soon as someone steps in the gym he’s like, ‘I heard a ball dribbling’ and he’s on the court,” said sharpshooter Steve Novak, who understands and appreciates Hopla’s commitment to teaching. “He’s someone who you really can go talk to about shooting if you’re not making shots because he’s a shooter. If, for some reason you’re like, ‘Today am I flat? Am I not following through? What is it?’ He’s shot a million shots. When he says something, he’s done it and he’s thought about it. That’s useful.”

The Knicks’ 28-year old rookie Chris Copeland has done lots of work on his shot in the past with various coaches, but Hopla is on another level.

“The one thing I like about him most is that he comes in every day with a smile on his face,” said Copeland. “He’s always pushing guys, always saying motivational things every day. He does the best job, as far as a shooting coach. He’s the best I’ve ever seen personally. He’s amazing. You go out there and he tells you on thing about your jump shot and you tweak that and make the next 20 in a row. He’s an amazing shooting coach and he does a great job.

“I’ve learned a lot [in the past] and I’ve always had a decent base. But at the end of the day, he is who he is for a reason.”

With improved team percentages from the 3-point line (33.6% 2011-12 up to 41.6% in 2012-13) and free throw shooting (74.1% to 77.6%), it’s unquestionable that Hopla’s input has worked.

“He’s a great motivator, man, especially when you’re out there shooting the basketball,” said Carmelo Anthony following his 34-point special against Phoenix. “He’s very positive, always going to tell you about your mechanics and what you’re doing wrong. So his main thing is just consistency, doing the same thing over and over again.”

According to current assistant coach LaSalle “Tank” Thompson, the former No. 5 pick overall in 1982 who currently specializes in working with the Knicks’ big men, Hopla’s imprint is all over the team.

“Out here he just works with guys on their shooting, tells them about little idiosyncrasies they might need to correct,” said Thompson during shootaround preceding a noon tipoff at the Garden yesterday. “And if you listen during the game if guys are missing free throws or shots, he’ll tell them something they did wrong with the shot.

“It varies from player to player but I would say each guy probably, if we have 15 guys on the team, I’d say at least 10-12 of them spend at least a half hour with him every day,” explained Thompson. “They’ll go in groups and do shooting drills before and after practice, and anyone who’s struggling with their shot, they’ll come and work with him individually.”

December 03, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Should every team have a shooting coach?

Yes, every team should probably have a shooting coach… But it’s not that simple. Shooting takes focus, effort, discipline and time. In order to become a better shooter, one needs to be willing to work through initial shortcomings to reach the higher plateau of success that comes with doing things properly.

“A lot of people say ‘Oh, it doesn’t feel right.’” Hopla told iHoops. “It’s like a new pair of shoes. You don’t throw your shoes in the garbage. You keep working them.”

Not every player is willing /cares enough to put in the work perfect their shot. Not every player is going to listen to somebody who might not have played basketball at the highest level, but who, like Hopla, understands the nuances of how to shoot a basketball better than most NBA athletes. As shooting coaches continue to become more popular around the league, the most important aspect of the test is the relationship the shooting coach develops with the players.

According to former Knicks superstar and current MSG color commentator Walt “Clyde” Frazier, it’s tough to teach players at the NBA level.

“To me at this level it’s very difficult to teach,” said Frazier. “To me, the main thing about shooting is confidence; you have to believe. Then, knowing your range. A lot of guys are not 3-point shooters, but they try. If they moved in a little bit they’d be successful.”

In other words, players can be stubborn or fixed in their ways. Interestingly enough, Frazier had a problem as a shooter before he entered the NBA.

“My problem in college was getting my shot off quick enough,” said Frazier. “My shot was too slow getting it off. Having a shooting coach can help to see your faults. Maybe you’re not squaring up to the basket or shooting across your body or releasing the ball on the way up rather than at the height of your shot, so all of those things are important. Coach told me I had to work on my shot to get it quicker. I’d come out, play one-on-one with the guys and try to get the shot off. If I didn’t [get it off] I’d use a head fake to give me time to get the shot off slowly. If you didn’t jump I’d shoot it and if you jumped I’d jump into you [like Durant]. That would give me that split second I needed to get the shot off and was my improvisation for my having a slow shot.”

Before this season, the Los Angeles Clippers forward Blake Griffin was primarily known as a posterizing force. This past offseason Griffin hired a shooting coach, which helped to demonstrate that Griffin knew – knows – that he must round out his game to become the best, most effective player he can become. The power forward’s shooting this season has shown marked improvement from his first two years in the league; he’s making 2.3-of-5.2 attempts from the 16-to-23 foot range, according to Hoopdata.com. Griffin averaged 3.5 shots from 16-to-23 feet before this season, but the confidence he has in his new form, thanks to countless correctly executed repetitions in the gym, have led to less hesitation and more certainty in his shot.

“He says that when he shoots the basketball now, he thinks ‘it’s going to go in,’ and that he doesn’t ‘second-guess’ anymore,” according to an LA Times article that came out today.

As the league progresses forward, with the court opening up thanks to prolific drivers who cannot be hand-checked and who command constant attention, there will always be spots for guys who can spot up and consistently hit shots.

According to Thompson, there should always be a guy who’s helping these players to succeed behind the scenes.

“Every team should have a shooting coach,” said Thompson. “That’s one of the specialized things. I think every team should have a big man coach and every team should have a shooting coach and it’s good to only have one guy that does it because I don’t want to tell a guy one thing on his shot because it may be different than the expert. I just tell them ‘Go talk to Dave about your shot.’ He’ll tell them exactly what they’re doing wrong and how to correct it.”

It will happen, “In time,” as Walt Clyde Frazier advised yesterday.

Though if every shooting coach could shoot and teach like Hopla, it’d likely happen a bit quicker.

“The fact that he can do it,” said Copeland. “If you’ve ever seen one of his clinics, he’s proven he knows how to shoot the ball. He’s not telling you like he’s a guy who’s just talking about it. He really knows how to do it and he can go out there and beat you in shooting and I think as players we respect that.”


http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/03/bauman-knicks-secret-weapon-is-shooting-coach-dave-hopla/3/
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12/5/2012  1:21 PM
That's kinda my point (the current record being "farfetched"). I'm not ready to take for granted tonight's win, but even without it, we're winning 75% of our games, which translates to 61.5 wins over a season. All I'm saying is that it will be very tough to keep that up, which most of us probably agree to, and that a big cause of drop-off might be a decline in 3-point shooting. Still, we're not talking about dropping to .500, but more likely to somewhere still north of 50 wins, which for sure ain't bad.

misterearl wrote:ShD

bernard wrote:Reversion to the mean.

Brewer is a 26% career 3-point shooter, Melo and RayRay 33%, Kidd 35%, JR 37%. Only Novak is shooting right around (slightly below) his career avg 44% this year.

I can believe everyone is getting better looks than they have on average during their career, and they might outperform their career averages, but it's seems farfetched that all of these guys will end the season above 40%. You don't often see so many guys on a given team obliterating their career bests in the same year.

The Knicks being 13-4 is farfetched, but it is about to happen.

“To me it’s a confidence thing. Having (Hopla) to help me, to critique what I’m doing wrong and where I can make an adjustment in practice and to me that’s what practice is for. It’s about practicing and making adjustments to correct things that you didn’t do well before.”

- Ronnie Brewer

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3/17/2013  10:17 PM
bernard wrote:We've got 6 guys -- Kidd, JR, Melo, Novak, Brewer and Felton -- over 40%, all in the top 35 in the league. That's amazing, particularly since we shoot so many 3's. I don't know what happens when those numbers start to decline -- and it's hard to imagine they won't (particularly for Brewer and Felton). Do we keep playing the same way, and just score a little less? Do we stop shooting quite so many?

If we want some things to worry about, it'd be this, our incredibly low turnover rate (also perhaps not sustainable) and our weak rebounding, which I fear is something we aren't likely to turn around with the guys we got.


These guys are currently shooting these percentages


Kidd 34.8%
J.R. 35.6%
Melo 37.5%
Novak 41.7%
Brewer 31.0%(before trade)
Felton 34.7%


Therefore Bernard you are Correctomundo!!!!!!!!

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3/17/2013  10:30 PM
3G4G wrote:
bernard wrote:We've got 6 guys -- Kidd, JR, Melo, Novak, Brewer and Felton -- over 40%, all in the top 35 in the league. That's amazing, particularly since we shoot so many 3's. I don't know what happens when those numbers start to decline -- and it's hard to imagine they won't (particularly for Brewer and Felton). Do we keep playing the same way, and just score a little less? Do we stop shooting quite so many?

If we want some things to worry about, it'd be this, our incredibly low turnover rate (also perhaps not sustainable) and our weak rebounding, which I fear is something we aren't likely to turn around with the guys we got.


These guys are currently shooting these percentages


Kidd 34.8%
J.R. 35.6%
Melo 37.5%
Novak 41.7%
Brewer 31.0%(before trade)
Felton 34.7%


Therefore Bernard you are Correctomundo!!!!!!!!

Hmm, I wonder what their career averages are.

Kidd: 34.9%
JR: 36.7%
Melo: 33.1%
Novak: 43.2%
Brewer: 25.9%
Felton: 33.1%

I'm sure you're as shocked as I am.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
Our 3-point shooting probably isn't sustainable

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