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Amare for Gasol?
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ChuckBuck
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11/28/2012  2:17 PM
knicks1248 wrote:All I know..two 7 footers don't work in this league anymore, if your PF can't stretch the D, its gonna get clumsy in the paint..

Gasol has look terrible next to Howard, and it started from day 1 in the preseason..Amare hasn't look much better playing next to tyson and Amare (imo) has more range and is comfortable shooting from 18/20 ft..

While gason has the abilty to stretch the d, he is not as comfortable shooting from out there, and prefers the paint..

The NBA is in a small ball league era...One big is fine

I don't dispute the fact the Heat won with a small lineup, but it wasn't long ago that the Lakers won back to back titles with nearly 3 7 footers on the floor at the same time: Bynum, Gasol, Odom

Also, last I checked Dirk Nowitzki is 7 foot tall and won 2 season ago next to Tyson Chandler.

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11/28/2012  2:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2012  2:27 PM
I don't think it's about height as it is about style of play. Dirk is 7' but plays outside in.

Amare needs room in the lane to get his buckets. So he and Chandler don't mix as well as Dirk and Chandler did. Melo holds the ball too long and that hurts Amare too. Amare needs to be the focus. I think he can become a force as the 6th man on NY coming on with Camby or Wallace and Novak.

Gasol is a marginally better rebounder and defender. He likely has more BBall IQ too. So I think he fits better with the current knicks team. However, I would like to see STAT come back and play with Kidd/Wallace to see how he fits with the new dynamics.

This has to be a straight up deal. No way NY can include a Shumpert. If they want, we can throw in Baron Davis.

RonRon
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11/28/2012  6:34 PM
IF Lakers intend to trade Gasol, it would be highly unlikely for Amare straight up.


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At the very least not without including someone like JR Smith, Iman*I would be really upset*, or at least Kidd to spread the floor.
As well as taking back a bad contract like Duhon or MWP.
I don't see it as a move that we HAVE to make, it would just be hard to turn down IF we can move Amare WITHOUT giving up Iman.

Pau Gasol isn't young anymore but he is still one of the most skilled big men in the entire league and is a legit post up threat with very good 17 footer.

Gasol >>> Amare (during his MVP chants during his first half of LAST season, maybe???), *but not since his struggles once Chandler was acquired and now all the injuries since then*

Amare need's shooters to spread him out so he has the lane to dunk, which is why Lakers are suffering now.
He would not work efficiently with Dwight Howard on the floor together.
They are clogged and slow but with size at the PF and Center positions to play both sides.
At this point of his career, Gasol is a skilled center with good all round games, good passing ability, and Post up game.
He finished games with Odom in the past few years with the Lakers recent championships, post Shaq, with the Bynum years.

I think Gasol would be a great upgrade at on the offensive end at Center for the Knicks but I just don't see it happening.
Problem is Gasol cannot play many minutes at PF with his age now and not many teams have the luxury of paying 2 max ish type contracts for 2 Centers.
He would really fit in with Melo with his all round game and even allow Sheed to play some minutes at PF.
It would give us 3 legit post up options in Gasol, Melo, and Rasheed and all could spread the floor as well.

His contract is 1 year shorter than Amare but is not insured though.
If Amare is unable to play gain due to injury/surgery, he would be eligiable to receive 1/2 his salary as an injury exemption but i think would not be exempt from the cap taxes.
*roughly about 10m*


Lakers need good value, diluting their assets and cap space, while acquiring value with 2-3 pieces for Gasol.
Unfortunately, they don't have much draft picks to entice teams and twin towers of Howard/Bynum and Gasol just won't together at their age because of their mobility/floor spacing.


New Orleans
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Ryan Anderson/Eric Gordon for Gasol/fill ins and future draft picks *not sure if they have any in the near future*

I am not sure if New Orleans still wants to continue to invest in Eric Gordon as a max player *injuries*, especially if they believe in Austin Rivers.
Gasol can help mentor Anthony Davis and would move Lopez to the bench role with much cap room to go after players in the future, like OJ Mayo *assuming he opts out of his 4m contract*

It would be a great trade for the Lakers and Dantoni can run his philosophy with the players needed.


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At the trade deadline or when new contracts can be moved
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Atlanta
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Josh Smith and fill ins (Anthony Morrow, Zaza Puchula,??) for Gasol so Horford can continue can play his natural position.
I think Josh Smith will be traded eventually this season but they would be looking for youth/picks/expirings.


Houston
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Not sure if they are still interested in adding Gasol, especially because they would lose their flexibility to sign a FA in the summer.
Youth, picks, expirings, but Omar Osik probably would be needed to be traded to make salaries work.
So far, Osik and Lin have been good enough to live up to their 8m per year deal.

If Lakers do not make a trade, they risk losing Howard for NOTHING.
Howard will not be happy if they continue to lose and Howard is not able to get his touches.
Then again, they could still pay him the most money, one additional extra year, and the most endorsements with all the large markets capped out already.


Denver
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McGee/ and combination of Gallo/Iggy/ Wilson Chandler

RonRon
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11/28/2012  6:41 PM
1) Will Amare ever return healthy?
2) Will Amare ever return to All Star form?
3) Will Amare ever fit in with Tyson Chandler, Melo, together? I don't think so, but if he can accept a new role with the bench he can coexist with Rasheed to spread the floor at PF/C.
4) If all are NO's, are we better off looking to acquire a player with an injury exemption like Kaman, AK47, Monta Ellis, OJ Mayo, in the summer?

Those are the 100million dollar questions....


Melo at the PF(something I have been pushing for since the the start of last season)

and

Kidd at the SG *cannot play many minutes at PG because he cannot defend the position at his age*, taking pressure away from Felton/Melo (help by playing the leader role like Billups once did in Denver, MOVING THE BALL, 3pters, STEALS, and setting up the team)

are the 2 main reasons why we have been been a to this great start, along with JR Smith/Feltons play, Coach Woody able to get everyone on the same page, and Hopla deserves much credit too.


Last game we saw JR, Felton, Melo reverted back to their poor decision making, poor BB IQ, shot selection, and over dribble.
Hope this is something Woody fixes and holds them accountable for.
But Melo at the 4 and Kidd at the 2 opens up the game for Melo and EVERYONE on the floor with 4 shooters.
Moving back Melo at the 3, would result in many poor shots by Melo without the room to operate down low, whether many contested jumpers or long range bombs, that would disrupt TEAM CHEMISTRY. It can go sour as quickly as good as we looked.
Our moves made this summer should not be judged by our first 10-20 games but our next 3 years and even after....

Felton needs to continue to run the PnR with Chandler much more as a #1 option over heavy ISO's and allow everyone on the floor to get in rhythm.
We also miss Jared Jeffries very much as a mobile forward on DEF, setting screens/ ball movement/player movement that he brought, along with Iman Shumpert's defense.
Jeffries and Iman were both very crucial pieces along with the penetration, player/ball movement during our run last year with Lin.
I think Jeffries is missed much more than Amare, Kurt Thomas/Rasheed Wallace/Camby all bring different elements and skills to the table, but Jeffries ironically brings something to the table that numbers do not at the stats column that W/L would.

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11/28/2012  7:01 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Pau is playing through tendinitis in his knees. Love the dude but that just dropped his value big time for me.

But at least he's playing!

Either Amare is healthy and trading him makes no sense or he's not and he's untradeable no?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/28/2012  7:25 PM
If Pau is not traded I think he will become the first big off the bench with Jamison starting
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11/28/2012  9:23 PM
Glensanity will prevail- I don't think he'll toss the Shump with the bathwater-
Although Amear is injured now, he was in good shape in the summer and has a history of bouncing back fresh- Gasol is older and his wear and tear is more gradual- he also played in Spain for the Olympics-
I would do the trade straight up if Woodson wanted it- but I think Gasol might be more worn out than we think- like Silverfuel said earlier- the Lakers tend to hose the teams they trade with-
That being said, they're being run right now by their own little Jimmy who took over for Jerry- not the same decision making process as in years pass or Brian Shaw would be the coach-
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
Amare for Gasol?

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