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Not Melo, not Stout but Jason Kidd healthy is easily MVP of 2012/13 NY Knickerbockers period !
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IronWillGiroud
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12/10/2012  8:31 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:Melo = Superstar

Lebron = Mega Superstar

This is a viable classification

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12/10/2012  8:42 PM
tkf wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:
so really don't buy into Nupe's foolishness here..

Foolishness would be asserting that Gallo is a better player than Melo. LoL! As for Kidd, many stated the signing was questionable and were infatuated with Lin. I specifically said, throughout the off season, that the three pg we signed were a vast improvement over what we had previously, without any sort of qualifier regarding age or health or whatever.

or foolishness would be calling melo a star or mvp candidate after 4 games... when we clearly know who the stars of the league are.... fair enough... try staying on topic, I seem to have you so rattled now that you are chomping at the bit to try to one up me... dude calm down.... this is not a good look fella....

Melo's been a star for 9 years. Know you don't like it but it is the truth.

i honestly think you and some other definition of a star is a lot different than mine....carmelo= Allstar..... lebron, wade, kobe, duncan, = star......


Papabear Says

TKF Get this in your head! Without Melo we win nothing. What kind of fan are you?? Hating our star player. Melo is our super star.Some one like you would love to see Melo gone and be happy with a 40 win season and out in the first playoffs. Or maybe not even make the playoffs. Thats sick. You must be related to Barkley who just hate the Knicks and can't get himself to admit the Knicks are for real.

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12/10/2012  8:44 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Melo star, Lebron, kobe, duncan, KG = SUPERSTAR

So you would trade for KG for Melo?? You would trade for Duncan for Melo?? LOL

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12/10/2012  8:46 PM
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:
so really don't buy into Nupe's foolishness here..

Foolishness would be asserting that Gallo is a better player than Melo. LoL! As for Kidd, many stated the signing was questionable and were infatuated with Lin. I specifically said, throughout the off season, that the three pg we signed were a vast improvement over what we had previously, without any sort of qualifier regarding age or health or whatever.

or foolishness would be calling melo a star or mvp candidate after 4 games... when we clearly know who the stars of the league are.... fair enough... try staying on topic, I seem to have you so rattled now that you are chomping at the bit to try to one up me... dude calm down.... this is not a good look fella....

Melo's been a star for 9 years. Know you don't like it but it is the truth.

i honestly think you and some other definition of a star is a lot different than mine....carmelo= Allstar..... lebron, wade, kobe, duncan, = star......


Papabear Says

TKF Get this in your head! Without Melo we win nothing. What kind of fan are you?? Hating our star player. Melo is our super star.Some one like you would love to see Melo gone and be happy with a 40 win season and out in the first playoffs. Or maybe not even make the playoffs. Thats sick. You must be related to Barkley who just hate the Knicks and can't get himself to admit the Knicks are for real.

A glaring personality flaw is the NEED to be right. And, that trumps winning.

Its called a severe COMPLEX and many years of personal suffering.

Go easy on him.

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12/10/2012  8:56 PM
Papabear wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo star, Lebron, kobe, duncan, KG = SUPERSTAR

So you would trade for KG for Melo?? You would trade for Duncan for Melo?? LOL

No not anymore

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12/10/2012  9:13 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Papabear wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo star, Lebron, kobe, duncan, KG = SUPERSTAR

So you would trade for KG for Melo?? You would trade for Duncan for Melo?? LOL

No not anymore

so he is a fallen star

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12/10/2012  9:15 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Papabear wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo star, Lebron, kobe, duncan, KG = SUPERSTAR

So you would trade for KG for Melo?? You would trade for Duncan for Melo?? LOL

No not anymore

so he is a fallen star

Fallen Superstars

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12/10/2012  9:16 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Papabear wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Melo star, Lebron, kobe, duncan, KG = SUPERSTAR

So you would trade for KG for Melo?? You would trade for Duncan for Melo?? LOL

No not anymore

so he is a fallen star

Fallen Superstars

No.

He is a fallen Mega Super Star

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12/10/2012  9:33 PM
Jason Kidd is Miami's kryptonite, which is why i think they're gonna knock Miami out of the playoffs this year. Kidd is gonna be the main reason for all of that.
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12/10/2012  9:35 PM
playa2 wrote:Jason Kidd is Miami's kryptonite, which is why i think they're gonna knock Miami out of the playoffs this year. Kidd is gonna be the main reason for all of that.

I agree.

Nice to have a heady PG who can insure that the team makes the correct decisions.

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12/11/2012  2:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2012  2:09 AM
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:
so really don't buy into Nupe's foolishness here..

Foolishness would be asserting that Gallo is a better player than Melo. LoL! As for Kidd, many stated the signing was questionable and were infatuated with Lin. I specifically said, throughout the off season, that the three pg we signed were a vast improvement over what we had previously, without any sort of qualifier regarding age or health or whatever.

or foolishness would be calling melo a star or mvp candidate after 4 games... when we clearly know who the stars of the league are.... fair enough... try staying on topic, I seem to have you so rattled now that you are chomping at the bit to try to one up me... dude calm down.... this is not a good look fella....

Melo's been a star for 9 years. Know you don't like it but it is the truth.

i honestly think you and some other definition of a star is a lot different than mine....carmelo= Allstar..... lebron, wade, kobe, duncan, = star......


Papabear Says

TKF Get this in your head! Without Melo we win nothing. What kind of fan are you?? Hating our star player. Melo is our super star.Some one like you would love to see Melo gone and be happy with a 40 win season and out in the first playoffs. Or maybe not even make the playoffs. Thats sick. You must be related to Barkley who just hate the Knicks and can't get himself to admit the Knicks are for real.

with him we have won nothing.. and what is this crap without melo we win nothing as if the knicks are doomed for eternity had he not come here, is that what you are saying.. without melo we win nothing regardless of who we get? are you really saying that? you act as if we have won multiple titles with this clown.... you keep spewing that same line. it is not only false but breathtakingly ridiculous considering we have not won a thing with this guy..

I rather have the picks, players and flexibility back.. if you think we were going to be a 40 win team forever then you just didn't have any faith in this organization.. so what kind of fan are you papabear?!!

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/11/2012  7:48 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/sports/basketball/carmelo-anthony-likes-knicks-offense-to-go-through-jason-kidd.html?_r=0

Even Anthony Likes Offense to Go Through Kidd
By NATE TAYLOR

The moment said a lot about Carmelo Anthony and Jason Kidd.

Anthony was heroic in Sunday’s game at Madison Square Garden, leading the Knicks to a 112-106 victory over the Denver Nuggets with a game-high 34 points. Fans cheered at the buzzer because Anthony’s return to the team, after two games out with a finger injury, played a vital part in the team’s success.

Immediately after the game, though, Anthony wanted to find Kidd, who had scored half as many points but who Anthony knew had had just as big an effect on the game. Anthony went over to Kidd to hug him and say “thank you.”

That signified just how much Anthony, the Knicks’ best player, values having Kidd as a teammate.

“I think it’s huge,” Kidd said of what it meant to receive the hug. “I think he trusts me coming down the stretch.”

Anthony put his faith in Kidd when the Knicks trailed the Nuggets early in the fourth quarter. During a timeout, Coach Mike Woodson wanted Anthony to be the focal point of the team’s offense. Anthony had a different idea.

“He told me, ‘Let’s play through you,’ ” Kidd said. “Coach wanted to play through Carmelo, but Carmelo was like, ‘No, I want to play through Jason.’ I think that’s the greatest compliment a teammate can get.”

Kidd, 39, is the third-oldest player in the N.B.A. behind his teammate Kurt Thomas and Grant Hill of the Los Angeles Clippers, who are both 40. Yet Kidd is one of the biggest reasons the Knicks are 15-5 and atop the Eastern Conference standings. Sunday’s game was a prime example of Kidd’s influence.

Regardless of his 17 points against the Nuggets, the plays that led the Knicks to the victory were the ones in which he did not score. When he entered the game with 10 minutes 32 seconds left in the fourth quarter, the Knicks trailed, 88-83.

Kidd played a role in the Knicks’ next 18 points: an assist on Steve Novak’s 3-pointer, an assist on Tyson Chandler’s dunk, a rebound of J. R. Smith’s long 3-point miss over two Nuggets and a pass to a wide-open Ronnie Brewer for a layup, a transition pass that led to two made free throws by Brewer, an assist on Anthony’s midrange jumper, an assist on Anthony’s 3-pointer, an assist on Chandler’s alley-oop dunk and a driving layup of his own.

When Kidd’s run was over, the Knicks had a 101-95 lead.

“He had an unbelievable night,” Chandler said of Kidd. “I just know he’s going to make the right decision. He’s always going to take the right shot or put the person who needs to take the shot in the right position.”

Because of his age and two odd plays, Kidd has also built camaraderie with his teammates by being the subject of their jokes this season.

Kidd has been hit in the head twice by opponents who have landed on him after he pump faked. In the Knicks’ win over the Indiana Pacers, Lance Stephenson’s teeth cut Kidd’s head, which forced him to wear a headband — a look teammates said they found silly — to keep the bandage on his head from falling off.

A similar play happened Sunday in the second quarter when the Nuggets’ Ty Lawson head-butted Kidd. Novak and others found some hockey helmets lying around in the Rangers’ locker room, next to the Knicks’. Kidd smiled as he wore the helmet during warm-ups for the second half.

“They’re not using them right now,” Kidd said jokingly as the N.H.L. lockout continues. “I needed something to keep the swelling down because my teammates were killing me about how big my head was getting. That was the only thing we can think of.”

After the game, Kidd entered the Knicks’ locker room wearing the helmet again. It made Novak and Anthony laugh again.

“I think he retired the headband, so we went and got the hockey helmet,” Novak said. “It looked good on him.”

Sunday was the first time this season that Kidd had extensive minutes at point guard. Woodson’s adjustment allowed Raymond Felton, who was struggling with a left thumb injury, to rest.

No matter where Kidd has been on the court, he has helped the Knicks win. The Knicks have a plus-98 scoring differential with Kidd in the game.

“I’m just trying to help my guys win,” Kidd said. He added about late-game situations: “I just know that if we get a good look that we have a good chance of winning. When we move the ball, we always get a wide-open look.”

That is what happened Sunday.

Novak knows it is hard at times to quantify just how large an effect Kidd can have on a game. But Novak has noticed that he and the rest of the Knicks play with more confidence when Kidd is on the court.

“Everyone sees that he’s trying to get guys the ball,” Novak said. “He’s a special player.”

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12/11/2012  9:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2012  9:56 AM
I love the offense running through Kidd at times as opposed to heroball from Melo, Felton & JR
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12/11/2012  9:49 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I love the offense running through Kidd at times as opposed to heroball from Melo and Felton

I don't mind when Kidd is in the post at all.

All guys have to do is finish the play once he dishes them the ball.

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12/11/2012  10:13 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I love the offense running through Kidd at times as opposed to heroball from Melo, Felton & JR

absolutely.

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12/11/2012  10:44 AM
this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

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12/11/2012  10:56 AM
fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

No player is Lebron so. Let the season keep playing out.

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12/11/2012  11:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2012  11:03 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I love the offense running through Kidd at times as opposed to heroball from Melo, Felton & JR

Melo and his hero ball have the Knicks ten games over .500. The offense runs through Melo like 80% of the time. And really, Melo has not been playing hero-ball for the most part. Give credit where it is due. Kidd has played great. That does not detract from Melo playing great also and being the focal point of one of the best offenses in the NBA.

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12/11/2012  11:02 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I love the offense running through Kidd at times as opposed to heroball from Melo, Felton & JR

absolutely.

It's not like you can do this a lot with Kidd at the two guard. The nice thing about the Denver game is that they had AI guarding Felton which left the smaller Lawson on Kidd. Advantage Kidd. He can over power Lawson and since Andre Miller is a terrible defender he can drive pass him. I do agree that when it is there he is a player the offense ca go through although I doubt it will happen a lot in the usess it is a big game. Kidd is no longer a high usage player. He plays great in quick burst so its hard to keep his minutes down and run the O through him enough to make us fans happy. Its the balancing act coaches play with a player his age.

Then again I could be wrong.

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12/11/2012  11:08 AM
fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

VERY WELL SAID FISH... we don't have an elite player, we have a team with some very good players on it, and a great streak scorer in carmel, and that is ok, that is what he is best at, and if it helps the knicks win, that is all that matters I guess.. No he is not lebron, or wade or durant, but who the heck is.... for me, less carmelo, less JR and less felton is great, keep things simple for them and the better off we are.. If that means keeping the ball in Kidd's hands more often then fine... My main concern is keeping him at this level all season, but you know what, we can worry about that much later... would be nice if we expanded the rotation a bit, I have a hard time believing that copeland can be any worse than brewer and that he can't contribute... this is a long season, we are not a young team and we are going to need fresh bodies...

one thing fish, I don't have as much faith in felton as you do... at times I feel better with prigs in the game to be honest..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
Not Melo, not Stout but Jason Kidd healthy is easily MVP of 2012/13 NY Knickerbockers period !

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