Nalod wrote:Homer fable-ism.

Not to single you out Nalod (because there were lots of over the top and/or ridiculous knee jerk types of reactions during this thread); but you sure do have a bad habit of calling others out as being "homers". You've called me out as being a "homer" time and time again. You calling me out as being a homer on 11/23/2012 was only one example. Even during a time in which our Knicks were 8-3 overall, you were still throwing out the 'homer fable-ism' types of remarks and/or insults towards others (not just myself).

It's now 12/12/2012 and I've since seen you use that same remark of "homer fable-ism" time and time again. In all honesty, you shouldn't blame others as being homers Nalod, but instead blame yourself for being a negative nancy and/or the type of sports fan in which didn't (or doesn't) have the ability and/or overall knowledge of the game to basketball in order to see/envision something elite before it's "already happened". Because hindsight is always 20/20.

Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, fans such as myself (and lots of others around here) could (and can) see something special in the making and/or something very impressive when we seen it? Because I myself personally seen a New York machine during our offseason before we ever stepped foot on the basketball court. I've been a die hard basketball fan for well over 20 years but yet have never seen a Knicks team as deep as our current one. Ever.

Even went as far as creating a thread on another Knicks forum comparing this Knicks team of 2012-2013 to our old school Knicks team of 1993-1994. Also explained why as well. Come to find out, there were also fans (such as yourself) who couldn't envision the overall potential and/or ability that this current Knicks team truthfully possessed (during the offseason). Words such as "homer" and/or "homer fable-ism" were dropped left and right during a thread comparing this current Knicks team to our throwback Knicks team of 93-94. Come to find out? We're 16-5 for the first time since, well, you guessed it... 1993-1994. The same exact team in which I compared our current squad to during our offseason. Coincidence? I think not. It's called being able to use your overall basketball knowledge of well over 20 years while being able to envision something in which hasn't (already) happened yet. That's why being a sports fan is all about. The ability to think outside the box. Simple minded fans consider that as being "homer fable-ism".

I created this thread during a time in which we were on a two game losing streak (Dallas/Houston). Was excited for this team during the offseason. Was pumped after beating the likes of Miami, Philly (during a home/away series), Dallas, Orlando, San Antonio, Indiana and New Orleans along with being proud of our Knicks, even after dropping two consecutive ball games. Why be proud of a team after two loses? Because A.) I'm not a love you while you're up/kick you when you're down type of fan. B.) Understand that loses happen (even the Bulls of 1996 lost 10 games) and C.) Had enough knowledge to understand that this team wasn't only good enough to respond against the likes of the lowly Pistons... But also bounce back in full force moving forward. 8-2 since our two game losing streak doesn't lie either. Victories over the Pistons, Bucks, Wizards, Suns, Bobcats, Heat, Denver and Brooklyn. That's why I was proud of these guys.

In closing, this team is something very special in the making. The best has yet to come and we've yet to see our finished product (Shumpert, Stoudemire and Camby). Our franchise is currently featuring the type of team in which all die hard Knick fans should be proud of, confident in and/or excited for. There shouldn't be a single Knicks fan dropping the "Homer fable-ism" bombshell towards fellow posters (fans). Let's be honest here, we're 16-5 for the first time since the 1993-1994 season. 19 years to be exact. Something to be proud of (personally speaking). We're currently in first place of our Atlantic Division by 4 full games (haven't won the Atlantic since 1994). Last but most definitely not least; we're currently first place of the Eastern Conference (plus a tiebreaker over Miami) by one full game.

A very long winded post but the moral of this story wasn't to say I told you so and/or to tute my own horn Nalod but instead, for you to understand that you've been very nasty and/or disrespectful towards lots of very knowledgeable Knick fans around here. Your homer and/or homer fable-ism remarks/insults have been played out (old) since the moment this current Knicks team stepped foot on the court. Don't blame others all because you (yourself personally) lacked the overall insight, knowledge and/or envision to spot, notice and/or see something special in the making... Before it actually happened that is. Hindsight is always 20/20. Remeber that. It's the journey that matters most. Maybe you can soak all of this up, and actually think about it before accusing someone as being a "homer".

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THE KNICKS ARE THE 1# SEED IN THE EAST IN APRIL. It is like a dream.

DurzoBlint wrote:I said it here during the loss to BK, had Kidd played we win that game. This team ....I'M FREAKING LOVING IT!!!!

The irony here is just tooooooooo much. Guys were able and willing to support the team when we sucked but, now that we look very, very good, they want to bytch, complain and just plain dog this team out. Guys are upset that we let JEREMY LIN go even though anyone with a brain should be able to see that we very likely much better BECAUSE we let Lin walk.

Had we resigned Lin, how many of the little pieces that have aided our success would be here? On top of that we likely wouldn't have Cope, not that he's a world beater but, he's a young "big" with loads of potential.

ONE OF THE MAJOR reasons we are where we are is the LACK OF TURNOVERS. You can't beat a team like Miami if you turn the ball over. You likely won't be the upper echelon teams without Vets to bring the necessary poise that it takes to push through the hard times teams face in rough games.

I have having to continue to hash this out with people. Resigning Lin wouldn't have affected our ability to acquire any of the players we got this offseason. Kidd was signed using the tax-payer MLE, Felton and Camby were sign-and-trades, and Brewer is playing for the minimum. Hell, two of those deals were made when everyone expected us to resign Lin.

VCoug wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I said it here during the loss to BK, had Kidd played we win that game. This team ....I'M FREAKING LOVING IT!!!!

The irony here is just tooooooooo much. Guys were able and willing to support the team when we sucked but, now that we look very, very good, they want to bytch, complain and just plain dog this team out. Guys are upset that we let JEREMY LIN go even though anyone with a brain should be able to see that we very likely much better BECAUSE we let Lin walk.

Had we resigned Lin, how many of the little pieces that have aided our success would be here? On top of that we likely wouldn't have Cope, not that he's a world beater but, he's a young "big" with loads of potential.

ONE OF THE MAJOR reasons we are where we are is the LACK OF TURNOVERS. You can't beat a team like Miami if you turn the ball over. You likely won't be the upper echelon teams without Vets to bring the necessary poise that it takes to push through the hard times teams face in rough games.

I have having to continue to hash this out with people. Resigning Lin wouldn't have affected our ability to acquire any of the players we got this offseason. Kidd was signed using the tax-payer MLE, Felton and Camby were sign-and-trades, and Brewer is playing for the minimum. Hell, two of those deals were made when everyone expected us to resign Lin.

Now I regret bringing him up, last thing I want to do is to turn this into a Jeremy Lin thread. You bring his name up and the thread gets hijacked. Lets forget that part of my post OK

playa2 wrote:Pride can show itself in many different ways, nalod and tkf know what they are doing and they're banking on the odds that the old knicks will show up because the team wasn't developed and DO IT THEIR WAY ! Pride can show itself in many different ways.

Can't completely fault them though. All the moves in the past have turned south. Its very understandable to think that the moves made would as well. Islesfan would bank on the worst possible outcome every single time and looked like a genious because the worst possible outcome would happen every single time. Jason Kidd was 39yrs old when we signed him. Based on the trends of the past it would have been easy to see Jason Kidd showing his age once joining the Knicks. Instead for some odd reason this season every move seems to be working to the best possible senario.

I don't fault in them for being negative. The problem lies in there need to stop others from being positive. IMO the reasoning is that they are just scared to let themselves go and by into any hype and end up dissappointed. Its alot safer to be negative and be plesantly suprised. But there is also a lot more joy in being positive and the team comming through if you willing to take that risk.

Im not a doom and gloom guy. I am on record as saying I was not a fan of Melo before and on record as saying I would be open minded. Reality is he has had his ups and downs and even admits to not giving it his all last year.

This year I have complimented his play. We do have some haters who won't give him credit. Thats their view.

Im here for 8 years. Thru some years that were shameful on the court, off the court, sexual harassment, financial disaster (epic salary with less than 30 wins!) etc and some guy comes along because he got banned on real GM Two weeks after the season started and is having a hissy fit because some of us are not feeling it and upset after Amare got hurt and Lin signed elseware but somehow wants an apology because the team is 16-5?

Nalod did game predictor and finished in the top 5 both years participated. I stopped because I don't want to root for them to lose for me to be right. I predicted our record last year exactly. I did not predict linsanity or 18-6. But I got the 36 win total on the money! This year I predicted 52 wins before Amare got hurt. Then I lowered it to 48 wins. 52 wins is not what a hater predicts. I guess after 21 games I missed how good this team is playing. They did not do it preseason and on paper I did not see it. I do say often "on paper don't matter" which for years is what many fans kept harping about.

Let the games speak.

Im proud of a lot of things. Being proud of a professional sports team is not in my vocabulary.

Nalod wrote:

playa2 wrote:Pride can show itself in many different ways, nalod and tkf know what they are doing and they're banking on the odds that the old knicks will show up because the team wasn't developed and DO IT THEIR WAY ! Pride can show itself in many different ways.

Don't put me in the same catagory as TKF. We don't share all the same views.

guys need to stop CALLING people out. It seems like every pro-Knick post someone has to bash TK and to a lesser extent Nalod for not being super giddy. Disagree all you want but, the disrespect is unwarranted.

Nalod wrote:
I look in the mirror and can't decide if I am one of the "somber six"?

A man looks in the mirror and sees his face.

The man walks away from the mirror. He then forgets what his face looks like.

A homer is really just one who chooses to not have a perspective on the many aspects that might surround a team and the competition.

See, words are so very important in a medium such as this.

A homer is actually someone who does have a perspective on the many aspects that surround both his team and the competition to said team: they are all equivalent to plain oatmeal with the occasional fresh strawberry stuck in it when compared to his team, which is equivalent to a steak and egg breakfast after a 40 day fast. That is a perspective. It might not be a perspective that lends itself easily to such perspectives as "I follow NY" and "I will follow anyone other than LA, Philly or Boston", but it is a perspective nonetheless.

The choice for a perspective is not what the question is here, or has been for thousands of thread pages.

Perspective is not loyalty. Longevity is not loyalty. Post count, for the love of god, is not loyalty. Admittance of suffering as exhibit A is not loyalty.

Loyalty.

Synonyms
fealty, devotion, constancy, loyalty, allegiance, fidelity all imply a sense of duty or of devoted attachment to something or someone. Loyalty connotes sentiment and the feeling of devotion that one holds for one's country, creed, family, friends, etc. Allegiance applies particularly to a citizen's duty to his or her country, or, by extension, one's obligation to support a party, cause, leader, etc. Fidelity implies unwavering devotion and allegiance to a person, principle, etc.

Antonyms
faithlessness.

It's very simple. I don't give two sheets if you gave birth to martin and andrew, built every circuit on every server and network that this board rests on, and are member #001. If you can exhibit the blase hateattitude when things are going well and have to restrain yourself from rooting against your own team, you deserve to have to read this kind of tripe about yourself.

If you can't stick with this team without preaching the postmodern gospel of self-hate and self-esteem over loyalty to the team, then you deserve meaningless diatribes like this and NYKMental's.

I'm a homer, and I approve this message.

And by the way, the true definition of a homer is someone who actually enjoys listening to Sterling call Yankee homers, and teaches his kids to say "Yankees win, thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh Yankeeeeeeeeeees WINNNNNNNNNN!!!

We need nothing less than a Nalod "I truly appreciate this team" thread.

Thanks to you in advance from myopic homerville.

Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

mrKnickShot wrote:

playa2 wrote:Pride can show itself in many different ways, nalod and tkf know what they are doing and they're banking on the odds that the old knicks will show up because the team wasn't developed and DO IT THEIR WAY ! Pride can show itself in many different ways.

Nalod and TKF?

That is extremely disrespectful to Nalod who is one of the intuitive / centrist posters here.

it's disrespectful in general. Why people feel the need to call others out when most everything we say is based on "opinion" is beyond me. People need to learn to AGREE TO DISAGREE and keep it moving. Its a message board for goodness sake, a bunch of faceless posters with no filter attacking others.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You'll have to excuse Nalod.

Clearly your knowledge of the game is pretty low when you think this year's success is coming from Mike D'antoni's SSOL.

Clearly, Woodson's coaching style is a hybrid of many of the coaches that he has worked with.

that is what good coaches do. They steal a little from everywhere and gain "experience" in what works and what does not.

A good coach needs adaptability to styles and personnel.