mrKnickShot wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Uptown wrote:jrodmc wrote:tkf wrote:Uptown wrote:3G4G wrote:knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:knickscity wrote:3G4G wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony will be an MVP candidate as long as New York remains one of the top teams.Why? Because he's the best player highest scorer on the team.
Thanks.
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This is getting ridiculous now. Its okay if some on this board doesn't like him, but lets be real here. Who the H.E double hockey sticks is the best player on this team if not Melo?!
Kidd, Tyson, and Smith are all playing better than Melo is.
There's times when Wade and Westbrook have better stretches than James and Durant, but it doesn't alter the meaning of the award.
It's always gone to the best player on the team. And for the Knicks, the talent level between Carmelo and the second best Knick is monumental.
The more you keep regurgitating this it only makes Melo's season look far less than what it is, which isn't much. It's not his best season of his career especially since you're debating this from an offensive perspective. You're saying he's in the discussion by default. AND?
So theoretically if we were to trade Melo for Rudy Gay and maintain our level of play which more than likely we would, Gay by default becomes our MVP guy.
Marc Gasol was on the Basketball Reference dot com list I referred to a couple post back with Tyson on it
There's other players entering this discussion such as...
Kemba Walker for the Bocats who are only 2gms behind us
O.J. Mayo until Dirk comes back and he has the numbers supporting his career/season case
Stephen Curry if the playoffs started today GSW are in
The thing about it though, just getting in the playoffs isn't the criteria, having one of the top seeds is.Yes if we had Rudy and we secured a top seed he would be considered imo, although i don't think Rudy commands the game respect that Melo does, but nonetheless the media and sportwriters are gonna look at the team and give someone on there a nod for consideration.
But we all know this MVP talk is pretty much decided who are the picks even prior to the season starting and rarely are a player picked outside of those early season picks.
now you are changing the argument.. what respect does melo command? everyone is complaining about not getting calls... and please lets not talk about double teams, you guys are also overstating that.. he is not getting doubled as much as yall proclaim.....
Now there you go trying to change the subject, i said Rudy would be considered.Read my post again and read it slower, the main point is......
Swap Melo with Rudy and high team success will still put Rudy in the discussion.
Stop being so focused on Melo.
Team success drives MVP awards, the best player doesn't always win, team success has alot to do with it.
True yet Uptown and Jhuzt took offense when I mentioned Tyson Chandler's name showed up on the Basketball Reference dot com list. Which goes to show although team success may dictate the award more so than anything else certain fans are only interested if a certain player gets the glory.
Heck if Felton or Kidd's name shows up on a list(s) everyone should be doing back flips because it reflects TEAM accomplishment.
Has nothing to do with one player getting all the glory. You've read my posts before and you know I'm not one of the posters who go overboard to pump Melo up. With the said, No offense to Chandler (literally no offense), but he is not a better player than Melo (period). Its funny, because you and tkf always mention how people go overboard to give Melo too much credit and yet the both of you represent the flip-side of the coin. You guys go overboard to discredit him.
Cant believe the argument of who is the best player on the Knicks has dragged on for another page. How does Melo go from 1 of the top 15 players in the league, to not being better than players who dont even crack the top 50 in the league? This argument is baseless and its no coincidence the you, bonn and tkf the resident anti-Melo flag bearer's are the only ones trying to argue where there isn't an argument to be made. As I said, this is a prime example of going overboard to discredit him....
uptown,amare is injured now, but he is still on the knicks.. most knick fans expect him to be healthy at some point, and if we look back on their resume's a fair argument can be and should be made that amare is a better player.. at 40 years old, I think kidd is still as impactful as carmelo and a better all around player.. yes at 40! carmelo does one thing uptown and he isn't even elite at that... he is good at it,and during streaks can be great at it, but as I said, this guy is becoming a CD in the new age of MP3 and file sharing.. he is a picture tube in the era of LCD's and Plasma. carmelo doesn't see it neither do his loyal supporters, but others do, especially those in the league.... so while fans are screaming he is getting no calls, maybe they need to wake up and see what the real problem is...
yes, of course, because all the "others" "in the league" realize that Melo's no better than say, Joe Johnson, right? So you've gone from Gallo to Lin to Joe Johnson to JKidd.
tkf, seriously, you are starting to sound delusional. What about Kurt Thomas? Is he as impactful if not more, sitting on the bench?
Melo scores. He scores in just as many ways as most other scorers do. He's possibly one of the three greatest closers this franchise has ever had. He's being lauded for his defense and doing everything at both ends of the court. WallyWorld, Alan Hahn and some of the staunchest, most anti-Knickheads in the land of MP3's, Itunes and LCD are convinced he's turned a corner this season.
Your consistently unabashed, unsupported hate for Melo during the best start the franchise has ever seen is like...hmmmmm...a broken LP record? A cracked 8-track tape? An 8mm film projector? Floppy disks? Punched tape? Can't you just give it a rest? Wait until the end of the season, and should we not win a chip, you can scream your I told you so's at the top of your lungs.
Good post
+1
It is kind of wierd to criticize and lambast a guy when the team is 8 - 2. It's sort of like smacking your kid in the back of your head then grounding him when he scores an A- on his Calculus exam.
Well .... that depends ....
Did the kid force his way here from vietnam and force you to adopt him? Pushed his way ahead of all those cute European kids who might have been better for you family chemistry? Does he ask before he takes food that you worked hard for or does he just stuff his face on everything he sees?
Oh ... and does he smile too much?
If any of these are true than the kid is a devil and you should release him from you house of serenity pronto! You will appreciate a euro kid more - they are much more your speed and type (wink wink).
And leaving all the racist pseudo mumbo jumbo out of it, is your kid fat?
Is he only good at Calculus? And old-school, 80's calculus at that, not the new, improved, up to date Chicago-school calculus?
Are there other kids who are more sharp, and are better and look better while using a newer style of IPOD wrist calculator rather than that stupid Texas Instruments than your kid is determined to keep using?
Do you feel embarrased at the Parent/Teacher night because there are other kids who have won the math fair before and your kid hasn't yet?
I think smacking your kid rather than praising him is a way of letting him know that nothing comes easy. Nothing is guaranteed. Family love is not something your kid should just wake up in the morning and think he's got, no questions asked.
There are other kids out there, you know. Smarter kids, more in shape kids, kids who dad likes soooooo much more better.
So go win a few math fairs kid. Then maybe, just maybe, you might earn less smacks to the head.
In the meantime, continue to follow those kids in other families.
That's what family's all about, you know.
11/22/2012 10:08 PM
