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Uptown
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11/20/2012  9:20 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:Felton is shooting first because every team is daring him to. Rondo passes up many of these dared shots. Should he? Don't know.

They are forcing him to beat them - that will be a big challenge for him this season.

He is doing alot of good things but lets see how his efficiency will be for the whole season and if we can withstand it if its weak.

7-1 is awesome. Its meaningless if we don't win at least 50 games.

I hope it will not be a bumpy ride.

Go knicks and continued success!

In all honesty, Felton is our 3rd best scoring option after Melo and JR. We actually need him to look at the rim.
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11/20/2012  9:41 AM
Uptown wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Felton is shooting first because every team is daring him to. Rondo passes up many of these dared shots. Should he? Don't know.

They are forcing him to beat them - that will be a big challenge for him this season.

He is doing alot of good things but lets see how his efficiency will be for the whole season and if we can withstand it if its weak.

7-1 is awesome. Its meaningless if we don't win at least 50 games.

I hope it will not be a bumpy ride.

Go knicks and continued success!

In all honesty, Felton is our 3rd best scoring option after Melo and JR. We actually need him to look at the rim.

Yes. And that scares the hell out of me.
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11/20/2012  10:15 AM
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VCoug wrote:So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much.

Felton has not been medicre and we could not win these games without him. His dribble penetration outweighs any negative in his game.

this... (almost)

What your seeing is a bunch of guys who's skills compliment. The three most obvious are Felton, Chandler and JR. Felton doesnt finish really well. He's not explosive (vertically) but he gets into the paint and attacks. That disrupts the defense and pulls bigs in to help. Leaving Chandler open to attack the offensive glass where he's a master. While thats happening you have JR who is killing it anytime you give him space. Amare and Felton were great at this also. Its about putting the pieces that fit together and guys buying in.

Felton is not mediocre. He's proven to be a top 10 PG when in shape and surrounded by some talent.

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11/20/2012  10:19 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Felton has been great and he is in great shape. I was surprised yesterday when they said that he had never lifted weights prior to the last offseason. I like the three point guards. Kidd and Prigs have been awesome as well.

i THINK kidd has been great.... felton has been good.. Priggs? honestly, not sure what he is doing here.........

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11/20/2012  10:21 AM
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:So far, Felton is what I thought he was. A mediocre shoot first point guard who can't shoot, the worst starting pg in the division, and a guy who's going to start losing us games if he doesn't stop shooting the ball so much.

He is not a shoot first PG...he has to take what the defense is giving him...It's what contributes to ball movement...He is getting into the lane hoping to draw the defense then dish..If the defense lays off which is what they are doing then he shoots...

He's taking 15 shots/game which is 2nd on the team and 20th in the NBA. Only 5 pg in the league shoot more than he does, Russell Westbrook (who's more of a shooting guard anyway), Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Jrue Holliday, and Damian Lillard. Also, all five are playing more mpg than Felton and all but Westbrook have a higher fg% than Felton.

even when felton was here with dantoni, I was up and down about him.. sometimes happy, a lot of times mad.... I still feel the same way about him now...

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11/20/2012  10:22 AM
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Felton has been great and he is in great shape. I was surprised yesterday when they said that he had never lifted weights prior to the last offseason. I like the three point guards. Kidd and Prigs have been awesome as well.

i THINK kidd has been great.... felton has been good.. Priggs? honestly, not sure what he is doing here.........

Pablo is good insurance if Felton has an off night.
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11/20/2012  10:25 AM
misterearl wrote:Turncoats

3G4G wrote:Felton has been here before and yet fans turned on him when we found out Melo lusted New York. He's playing okay...shoots too much for my liking but I hope for his sakes...

Brandon Jennings/Tyreke Evans/Ricky Rubio don't confess their love for New York prematurely

3g4G - From your words about Felton shooting too much, it would appear that as you mention "fans" turning on Raymond Felton, you are speaking for yourself. When Carmelo mentioned New York as his priority, I would counter that there were NO voices screaming to trade Raymond Felton.

None.

but I do remember when we traded felton, people were saying good riddance because billups was a better player.. I also remember after that miami game when billups hit that big shot, they went in even more on felton.. but that is how things are done in knick land...

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11/20/2012  10:28 AM
gunsnewing wrote:That old thread is hilarious. Just goes to show that Knicks fans will turn on a player the minute he is leaves. Felton was the one piece I did not want to give up in the Melo trade. Mozgov too to extent because we were going to be left without a center and Denver were just toying with Dolan at that point.


yea, it happens all of the time....I didn't care about losing felton honestly, I thought he was on a two year "try out" deal and i was ok with that...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/20/2012  10:36 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Felton has been great and he is in great shape. I was surprised yesterday when they said that he had never lifted weights prior to the last offseason. I like the three point guards. Kidd and Prigs have been awesome as well.

i THINK kidd has been great.... felton has been good.. Priggs? honestly, not sure what he is doing here.........

Pablo is good insurance if Felton has an off night.

he looks physically overmatched a lot of times out there... I like the guy, just not sure where he fits on this team especially since we rarely run any pick and roll...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/20/2012  10:56 AM
The Rookie

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he looks physically overmatched a lot of times out there... I like the guy, just not sure where he fits on this team especially since we rarely run any pick and roll...

tkf - your premature rush to judgement is amusing. Pablo Prigioni fits perfectly because he plays defense like Mike Woodson wants defense played. Your haste to jump on offensive style points misses the foundation of what this Knicks edition is built on (wait for it) - DEFENSE.

Pablo has quick hands and his lateral quickness is evident. That is where we start. Not with picks or rolls.

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misterearl wrote:The Rookie

tkf wrote:
he looks physically overmatched a lot of times out there... I like the guy, just not sure where he fits on this team especially since we rarely run any pick and roll...

tkf - your premature rush to judgement is amusing. Pablo Prigioni fits perfectly because he plays defense like Mike Woodson wants defense played. Your haste to jump on offensive style points misses the foundation of what this Knicks edition is built on (wait for it) - DEFENSE.

Pablo has quick hands and his lateral quickness is evident. That is where we start. Not with picks or rolls.


rush to judgment? what did I conclude of him? and come on man.. he was not brought here to play defense which is actually average not that good.. but I guess you are going to sell me on the idea that he was brought here just for that?

well I will let the knicks tell you why they wanted him.. this is from the NY post..
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/another_veteran_pg_heading_to_garden_LTPBBunw3ozw7K5cCgVCVN

“I’ve been talking to [Knicks general manager Glen] Grunwald about four, five years about him,’’ Bass said. “This is the year it got done. He’s been very persistent checking in about Pablo. He’s a very big fan. He’ll bring leadership and will be there to help Jeremy a little bit.’’

Prigioni will face Team USA in the London Olympics, playing for Argentina. He’s been in the Spanish League since 1999-2000.

“He looks to pass before he shoots,’’ Bass said. “He’s similar to Jason Kidd, more like a true point guard. He’s excited to be with the Knicks and in New York. He’s excited about everything.’’

Scouts also say his speciality is the pick-and-roll and may work well with Amar’e Stoudemire. He is more a slowdown PG — a better fit for Mike Woodson than Mike D’Antoni’s speedball.

Pick and roll, pass first PG, leadership.. this is what is being discussed here... i heard nothing about defense.. so far we play very little if any pick and roll, and he seems lost out there at times trying to create in this offense... misterearl... not everything can be peaches and cream my friend..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/20/2012  11:31 AM
i like felton when he drives to the basket. His shooting is so-so but he is very aggressive going to the hoop. Like in the spurs game he did that all night
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11/20/2012  11:32 AM
I think after the initial shock, most fans understood that the Knicks could not resign Lin at the price Houston
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11/20/2012  11:33 AM
I think after the initial shock, most fans understood that the Knicks could not resign Lin at the price Houston paid. Especially not when they could get Felton for $3 mill a year.
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11/20/2012  11:45 AM
Pablo needs to play with Chandler and Amare otherwise he is pretty useless
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11/20/2012  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2012  11:56 AM
What Is Being Discussed Here?

tkf wrote:
Pick and roll, pass first PG, leadership.. this is what is being discussed here... i heard nothing about defense.. so far we play very little if any pick and roll, and he seems lost out there at times trying to create in this offense... misterearl... not everything can be peaches and cream my friend..

Looking at Eastern Conference point guards, Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd are eleventh and first in assist/turnover ratio, respectively, and Felton's sixth in assists per game. That was once considered a worry. It isn't now.

Basketball or being "righter" than anyone else?

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Peaches and cream

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11/20/2012  12:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2012  12:47 PM
misterearl wrote:What Is Being Discussed Here?

tkf wrote:
Pick and roll, pass first PG, leadership.. this is what is being discussed here... i heard nothing about defense.. so far we play very little if any pick and roll, and he seems lost out there at times trying to create in this offense... misterearl... not everything can be peaches and cream my friend..

Looking at Eastern Conference point guards, Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd are eleventh and first in assist/turnover ratio, respectively, and Felton's sixth in assists per game. That was once considered a worry. It isn't now.

Basketball or being "righter" than anyone else?

Everything is peaches and cream baby.

Peaches and cream


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11/20/2012  12:47 PM
misterearl wrote:18 and 10

Knixkik wrote:Felton was the best player we traded for Melo. And based on the events that diminished his value, we got him for pennies on the dollar. Had we not traded him as part of that deal, we would likely have resigned him a year later for about $10M per year, and not got Chandler. Felton is clearly the same player that averaged 17/9 for 50 games in 2010/2011.

Knixkik - would you consider that experience of being traded, from a place he loved and returning, would make Raymond Felton a better player in the long run?

We are just getting started. The season is not 10 games old yet and he is in a rhythm of leading total strangers.

Imagine what happens when they get comfortable.

I believe that he is definitely a better player because of it. He just gets it.
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11/20/2012  1:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2012  1:06 PM
misterearl wrote:What Is Being Discussed Here?

tkf wrote:
Pick and roll, pass first PG, leadership.. this is what is being discussed here... i heard nothing about defense.. so far we play very little if any pick and roll, and he seems lost out there at times trying to create in this offense... misterearl... not everything can be peaches and cream my friend..

Looking at Eastern Conference point guards, Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd are eleventh and first in assist/turnover ratio, respectively, and Felton's sixth in assists per game. That was once considered a worry. It isn't now.

Basketball or being "righter" than anyone else?

Everything is peaches and cream baby.

Peaches and cream

you are changing the discussion bro... but it is basketball, but you sure do seem like you are trying to be more "wrong" than everyone else mister earl.. this was about priggs, now you switch back to felton.. LOL.. come on, stay on target...

And when were assists per game once considered a worry when lin was here,he is avg just as much as felton?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/20/2012  2:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2012  2:29 PM
Dude, Read The Thread Headline

tkf wrote:
you are changing the discussion bro... but it is basketball, but you sure do seem like you are trying to be more "wrong" than everyone else mister earl.. this was about priggs, now you switch back to felton.. LOL.. come on, stay on target...

And when were assists per game once considered a worry when lin was here, he is avg just as much as felton?

tkf - Lin plays for the Houston Rockets. That makes him persona non Knicksa in the Answer Man's Book Of Love. As far as "trying" to be anything you might want to check yourself (before you wreck yourself) and NOT the internationally known, regionally respected and locally accepted Answer Man.

Individual assists matter less than team assists and not turning the ball over like a griddle full of pancakes matters more than anything. In that category, Raymond Felton has not only managed to organize the court and offer elite ball security, he also gets a shot to drop every now and then, which is a nice bonus.

Ask not how about Raymond Felton's APG, ask if the Q.C.C. quotient of community touches is keeping everyone's head the game.

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