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11/19/2012  5:50 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Can someone please explain to me what we "lost"?

We exchanged Gallo for one of America's greatst athletes in Melo. Key word being 'exchanged'. Actually, better yet, we've gained in Melo. Felton has returned to New York more hungry than ever. We included Anthony Randolph ala a career nothing who's only averging 2 points and 2 boards here in 2012. We included a rookie Russian project in Mozgov who's only averging 2.7 points, 2.7 boards and 0.7 blocks per game. Looking like a career backup. Mozgov is only Denver's 3rd string center averaging only 11.7 minutes per game (because he pretty much sucks). We also dumped Eddy Curry's expiring contract as well.

So once again, what the fk did we "lose" during this trade? An overrated 6th man of the year in Wilson Chandler who's looking more and more like a product of Mike D'Antoni's offensive system? Well, say hello to J.R Smith.

We lost some cap space. Big deal. Which Championship contending team doesn't fill up their cap space? We've since managed to add Carmelo Anthony, Jason Kidd, Pablo, Raymond Felton (has returned), Iman Shumpert, J.R Smith, Ronnie Brewer, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby and Tyson Chandler. Yea, right, that's some "waste of a cap space during the Melo trade".

What else did we "lose"? A couple of rookie draft picks? Say hello to veteran additions such as Kidd, Felton, J.R Smith, Pablo, Brewer, Rasheed, Kurt, Camby and Chandler.

So once again, someone please EXPLAIN to me what the hell we so called "lost".


The items that were given up have all been replaced, whether by a direct means of the trade Billups for Chandler or through free agent acquistion.

Gallo Melo

Chandler JR

Ar Camby

Felton Felton

Tyson by means of having Billups contract on deck.

The only thing to be determined is the 2014 pick.

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11/19/2012  5:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  5:57 PM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

Define "give up that much"...These weren't difference makers...The idea was to get to where we are now..It's not realistic to think we will instantly compete...Looking back at the team we had at the time...Amare and Felton were our two key players...The way I looked at it is, that they needed help...I remember doing a thread saying Amare could not keep playing at this pace all year...He needs help...Gallo got hurt and we will still playing decent ball when Chandler stepped in...There was a controversy because MDA said Gallo would start no matter what...Chandler would have walked for nothing at the end of the year...AR wasn't getting playing time...Moz was a project and still is...So really, we are risky Gallo and Moz for Melo???...How is that not a no brainer???...


The way I look at it if Felton remains and D'AnToni gets disposed then there's enough left to make necessary moves to get them help but maintain flexibility. We've already proven we could have the current help we have now(Kidd/Smith/Novak/Sheed/Camby/Brewer) had we done nothing


As far as players changing teams some players get better and some players get worse. Melo while he's been good hasn't been better or his best as a Knick compared to Denver Melo. Since we're on our premature...before Gallo got injured last year(yes I agree he's proven to be brittle) he was playing his best 19ppg in November. I don't project what a player would have been remaining here by looking at what they are when they leave. Especially if they were showing signs of progress prior to exodus.

I think Gallo is more a hired gun who should come off the bench. He's not an "AT THE DOOR" player as Kenny Smith said on Inside the NBA a couple weeks ago. Doesn't mean Gallo can't greatly help a team win games either.

Which November had Gallo average 19ppg????...U using Hollinger's funky stats again???...Gallo has averaged around 15 points per game the last 5 years....But what's crazy is that you guys think we should get Melo and not give up anything....

Melo average 30ppg in April of last year and 7.3 boards...If that means anything..

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11/19/2012  6:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  6:11 PM
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

Define "give up that much"...These weren't difference makers...The idea was to get to where we are now..It's not realistic to think we will instantly compete...Looking back at the team we had at the time...Amare and Felton were our two key players...The way I looked at it is, that they needed help...I remember doing a thread saying Amare could not keep playing at this pace all year...He needs help...Gallo got hurt and we will still playing decent ball when Chandler stepped in...There was a controversy because MDA said Gallo would start no matter what...Chandler would have walked for nothing at the end of the year...AR wasn't getting playing time...Moz was a project and still is...So really, we are risky Gallo and Moz for Melo???...How is that not a no brainer???...


The way I look at it if Felton remains and D'AnToni gets disposed then there's enough left to make necessary moves to get them help but maintain flexibility. We've already proven we could have the current help we have now(Kidd/Smith/Novak/Sheed/Camby/Brewer) had we done nothing


As far as players changing teams some players get better and some players get worse. Melo while he's been good hasn't been better or his best as a Knick compared to Denver Melo. Since we're on our premature...before Gallo got injured last year(yes I agree he's proven to be brittle) he was playing his best 19ppg in November. I don't project what a player would have been remaining here by looking at what they are when they leave. Especially if they were showing signs of progress prior to exodus.

I think Gallo is more a hired gun who should come off the bench. He's not an "AT THE DOOR" player as Kenny Smith said on Inside the NBA a couple weeks ago. Doesn't mean Gallo can't greatly help a team win games either.

Which November had Gallo average 19ppg????...U using Hollinger's funky stats again???...Gallo has averaged around 15 points per game the last 5 years....But what's crazy is that you guys think we should get Melo and not give up anything....

Melo average 30ppg in April of last year and 7.3 boards...If that means anything..


Couldn't have been November last year since the lockout ended in december, but yeah in January he was rounded up to 19 ppg in Januray.
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11/19/2012  6:11 PM
Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.
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11/19/2012  6:19 PM
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Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.

In many ways, Melo just arrived. He was stuck in a juggling act involving himself, Stoudemire, MDA, and a point-driven system. Now the team is built around him properly, dating back to the end of last season. The role players really tied it together i agree, but seeing what Melo is doing now makes it clear it was unfair to judge him for the first 12 months he was here. This success is a combination of Melo and having the right complimentary pieces.

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11/19/2012  6:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  6:31 PM
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

Define "give up that much"...These weren't difference makers...The idea was to get to where we are now..It's not realistic to think we will instantly compete...Looking back at the team we had at the time...Amare and Felton were our two key players...The way I looked at it is, that they needed help...I remember doing a thread saying Amare could not keep playing at this pace all year...He needs help...Gallo got hurt and we will still playing decent ball when Chandler stepped in...There was a controversy because MDA said Gallo would start no matter what...Chandler would have walked for nothing at the end of the year...AR wasn't getting playing time...Moz was a project and still is...So really, we are risky Gallo and Moz for Melo???...How is that not a no brainer???...


The way I look at it if Felton remains and D'AnToni gets disposed then there's enough left to make necessary moves to get them help but maintain flexibility. We've already proven we could have the current help we have now(Kidd/Smith/Novak/Sheed/Camby/Brewer) had we done nothing


As far as players changing teams some players get better and some players get worse. Melo while he's been good hasn't been better or his best as a Knick compared to Denver Melo. Since we're on our premature...before Gallo got injured last year(yes I agree he's proven to be brittle) he was playing his best 19ppg in November. I don't project what a player would have been remaining here by looking at what they are when they leave. Especially if they were showing signs of progress prior to exodus.

I think Gallo is more a hired gun who should come off the bench. He's not an "AT THE DOOR" player as Kenny Smith said on Inside the NBA a couple weeks ago. Doesn't mean Gallo can't greatly help a team win games either.

Which November had Gallo average 19ppg????...U using Hollinger's funky stats again???...Gallo has averaged around 15 points per game the last 5 years....But what's crazy is that you guys think we should get Melo and not give up anything....

Melo average 30ppg in April of last year and 7.3 boards...If that means anything..

Last year's January since you're so obsessed with bringing his name into the conversation on habitual basis. Stop being lazy and look ish up. Henpecking his January stats last year and then projecting out is premature as I stated much like projecting an MVP after 4gms played. I said November by mistake come on stop being overly technical. If I said last year then last year is last year therefore which month did he average those numbers


I've mentioned to you on several occasions that Gallo....


Was overrated when here


I would have traded Gallo in some other trade if needed without hesitation(I wanted him trade for K-Mart and pick several months prior too)


Gallo shouldn't start, plays more like a bench player who heats up in games


I do not assess Gallo based on any one metric or series of metris as a player as some others do, such as TS% as a means to build my premise around keeping him over other players.


Gallo was still improving young talent and not some All-Star, worth seeing his talent pan out. I mean if a 10yr stubborn vet can change his game into something he's never been before I'd like to think a 24yr old player with talent isn't a finished product


Gallo along with other talent would have been on a window of review, not necessarily a wide open one either


Now would Gallo's injuries have continued here, maybe, would Gallo have proven he can take on more of the load, maybe not, would we be any worse record wise the past 2yrs had we kept him, probably not, could we have the same talent here playing with Gallo such as Novak/Smith/Camby/Kidd/Brewer or comparable, probably so.


What numbskulls like you and others tend to do...... is change the rules of opinion according to current affairs. Trust if Melo was traded for a player like Harden send the current posts from you and others to an archive of Gehenna

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11/19/2012  6:23 PM
Bonn's a funny dude..For the longest time he called Melo Mr.470...He has been above .500 since he got here...But now that the Knicks are winning..It's debatable whether or not it's because of Melo..Got em coming and going, huh Bonn...
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11/19/2012  6:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  6:28 PM
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

Define "give up that much"...These weren't difference makers...The idea was to get to where we are now..It's not realistic to think we will instantly compete...Looking back at the team we had at the time...Amare and Felton were our two key players...The way I looked at it is, that they needed help...I remember doing a thread saying Amare could not keep playing at this pace all year...He needs help...Gallo got hurt and we will still playing decent ball when Chandler stepped in...There was a controversy because MDA said Gallo would start no matter what...Chandler would have walked for nothing at the end of the year...AR wasn't getting playing time...Moz was a project and still is...So really, we are risky Gallo and Moz for Melo???...How is that not a no brainer???...


The way I look at it if Felton remains and D'AnToni gets disposed then there's enough left to make necessary moves to get them help but maintain flexibility. We've already proven we could have the current help we have now(Kidd/Smith/Novak/Sheed/Camby/Brewer) had we done nothing


As far as players changing teams some players get better and some players get worse. Melo while he's been good hasn't been better or his best as a Knick compared to Denver Melo. Since we're on our premature...before Gallo got injured last year(yes I agree he's proven to be brittle) he was playing his best 19ppg in November. I don't project what a player would have been remaining here by looking at what they are when they leave. Especially if they were showing signs of progress prior to exodus.

I think Gallo is more a hired gun who should come off the bench. He's not an "AT THE DOOR" player as Kenny Smith said on Inside the NBA a couple weeks ago. Doesn't mean Gallo can't greatly help a team win games either.

Which November had Gallo average 19ppg????...U using Hollinger's funky stats again???...Gallo has averaged around 15 points per game the last 5 years....But what's crazy is that you guys think we should get Melo and not give up anything....

Melo average 30ppg in April of last year and 7.3 boards...If that means anything..


Couldn't have been November last year since the lockout ended in december, but yeah in January he was rounded up to 19 ppg in Januray.

I was off by 2mos I meant January essentially first month of the season since only a couple games were played in December. I looked at his game logs that season as a usual regular season game log. My bad but the stat remains nevertheless

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11/19/2012  6:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  6:28 PM
holfresh wrote:Bonn's a funny dude..For the longest time he called Melo Mr.470...He has been above .500 since he got here...But now that the Knicks are winning..It's debatable whether or not it's because of Melo..Got em coming and going, huh Bonn...

Even when I called him Mr. 470 I clearly and publicly stated that I was doing that tongue-in-cheek and I did not think looking at the team's winning percentage was a good way to evaluate a player. It's inevitable though that whoever takes the most shots will be given the most credit for success and blame for failure of the team regardless of how much of an impact that player actually had.

I can call him Mr. .505 if you prefer (his new winning percentage)

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11/19/2012  6:28 PM
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Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.

That's funny we don't have any highly efficient scorers.

All of our "scorers" are exceeding their norm.

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11/19/2012  6:31 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.

That's funny we don't have any highly efficient scorers.

All of our "scorers" are exceeding their norm.


Incorrect. Kidd and JR are the only ones exceeding their norms.
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11/19/2012  6:34 PM
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holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

Nah. We didn't give up those players for one player. We gave up those players for one player plus two more contracts. Those contracts turned into Tyson Chandler and J.R. Smith. I think a GM is a person who should be able to look at active players in a trade as well as the contracts they get back and what those can turn into. Walsh did a very good job with that. While we watch Melo, Chandler and J.R. actually win games and lift their respective team, Gallo, Moz and W. Chandler are still hopefuls. Who knows what will happen with those guys. Makes perfect sense.

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11/19/2012  6:41 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.

That's funny we don't have any highly efficient scorers.

All of our "scorers" are exceeding their norm.


Incorrect. Kidd and JR are the only ones exceeding their norms.

What about Brewer?

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11/19/2012  6:45 PM
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3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

Nah. We didn't give up those players for one player. We gave up those players for one player plus two more contracts. Those contracts turned into Tyson Chandler and J.R. Smith. I think a GM is a person who should be able to look at active players in a trade as well as the contracts they get back and what those can turn into. Walsh did a very good job with that. While we watch Melo, Chandler and J.R. actually win games and lift their respective team, Gallo, Moz and W. Chandler are still hopefuls. Who knows what will happen with those guys. Makes perfect sense.

J.R. Smith signed for $2.5mil(thereabouts) from China as a free agent. We could have signed him even if we were over the Cap keeping the kids as long as we didn't use up all of our MLE.


That leaves Chandler...well we could have other players here besides him with the Cap Space from Billups $15mil amnesty. Chandler was an okay pick-up but once again not one of flexibility.

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11/19/2012  7:07 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.

That's funny we don't have any highly efficient scorers.

All of our "scorers" are exceeding their norm.


Incorrect. Kidd and JR are the only ones exceeding their norms.

What about Brewer?

Negative in regards to Brewer. He's a 9.0 points per game type of career player. Only averaging 8.5 points per game here in 12-13.

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11/19/2012  7:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  7:12 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.

That's funny we don't have any highly efficient scorers.

All of our "scorers" are exceeding their norm.


Incorrect. Kidd and JR are the only ones exceeding their norms.

What about Brewer?


Career TS% = .549; this year = .550.
Both are above average and very solid for a guy who's probably gonna be your 7th or 8th man once everyone is healthy.
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11/19/2012  7:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2012  7:14 PM
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TheloniusMonk wrote:
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

Nah. We didn't give up those players for one player. We gave up those players for one player plus two more contracts. Those contracts turned into Tyson Chandler and J.R. Smith. I think a GM is a person who should be able to look at active players in a trade as well as the contracts they get back and what those can turn into. Walsh did a very good job with that. While we watch Melo, Chandler and J.R. actually win games and lift their respective team, Gallo, Moz and W. Chandler are still hopefuls. Who knows what will happen with those guys. Makes perfect sense.

J.R. Smith signed for $2.5mil(thereabouts) from China as a free agent. We could have signed him even if we were over the Cap keeping the kids as long as we didn't use up all of our MLE.


That leaves Chandler...well we could have other players here besides him with the Cap Space from Billups $15mil amnesty. Chandler was an okay pick-up but once again not one of flexibility.

We landed a Championship winning Center. A defensive anchor. Our reigning Defensive Player of the Year. Shumpert, Jeffries, Tyson and Woodson have changed the defensive culutre of this franchise. None of this is/was possible without Tyson Chandler as our defensive anchor. Shumpert hasn't played a single game and Jeffries is a distant memory. Tyson Chandler on the other hand? Here in 2012-2013? Has been our defensive anchor for a defense that currently ranks first in points allowed and 6th in field goal percentage against.

If you wanted to build a defense in which can win a championship; Tyson Chandler was the man and/or defensive leader/center to do so with. Worth each and every penny of his contract.

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11/19/2012  7:29 PM
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knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for our New York Knicks. Chances are, Denver misses the playoffs this season. That's what not having a true NBA star will get them.

People seem to have the timing wrong here: The turn around for this franchise coincided with the acquisition of what most successful teams have: highly efficient scorers who do many other things well. It didn't coincide with the arrival of Melo.

That's funny we don't have any highly efficient scorers.

All of our "scorers" are exceeding their norm.


Incorrect. Kidd and JR are the only ones exceeding their norms.

What about Brewer?


Career TS% = .549; this year = .550.
Both are above average and very solid for a guy who's probably gonna be your 7th or 8th man once everyone is healthy.

a little context his last year over .549 was in 09 for Utah and he has never shot anywhere close to 40% in threes. If the 3 ball continues to go in well I would say he too would be exceeding his norm. Also, shump will not surpass him but he will provide help pressuring teams pgs. Although, Shump's work on becoming a better shooter could show up when he returns.

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11/19/2012  8:02 PM
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Killa4luv wrote:I can't wait to see the responses.

Melo haters don't care if Gallo is back in Italy, Chandler back in China, and Moz back in Russia in 2 years.


Nor should the Melo critics care. The issue is what else we could have gotten for that package at the time and/or what player(s) could we have gotten instead of Melo if we'd had room to sign a max contract FA.

Maybe Iggy?

[shudder]

No. We'd be sooooooo much better watching CP3 on the IR for most of the last two years. And watching him not run the PNR with STAT (injured) or Tyson (who wouldn't be here).

So now that the "3 potenshull HOF players" sheehit has finally died some kind of death, we move on to the neverending picks/cap space arguments. Soon to be followed by what we could have done with that 3 mil we gave away, too.

This trade whinging is almost getting comfortable. It's consistently constant. Sort of like low tide in Newark.

I'm really going to miss it.


The team is playing great now, although we can debate how much of a role Melo is playing in that. He's obviously helping the team but I don't think he's at anything close to an MVP level. After these 8 games, though, you're certainly doing much more gloating than many people did after several dozens of .400s ball post-trade (and .600s Nuggets' ball). You seem to have a myopic focus.

Why does .400 basketball keep getting brought up? Take Stoudemire and/or MDA out of the equation and Melo's success rate here is completely different. He's hardly lost. The argument is how good Melo is as a leader and how successful we can be, not how well does he fit with Stoudemire and playing MDA basketball.

Great points. I liked the article. Hindsight makes it a little easier to say going through with the trade was the right thing to do. History has shown that the team that gets the superstar almost always fares better in the long run. Nice of Walsh to back up the Lin the move with logic that some chose to ignore.
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11/19/2012  8:04 PM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:Funny how "the only way it is justified is if we win a title" but God knows we weren't winning a title with Gallo, Moz and the crew. All logic goes out the window when it comes to talking about the trade I guess. *shrug*

Just watching them run up and down the court brings the same joy like winning a title...


Once again no one was opposed to moving ancillary pieces such as Gallo and Co as long as it kept us competitive and kept our options open. When you give up that much for essentially 1 player, then the expectations rises.


Trust if our young talent didn't continue their progression when here yep they'd be receiving the same type of criticism.

It was two players. Not sure why Billups/Tyson is discounted.
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