Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.

I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.

I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.

It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.

Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.

Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.

that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..

They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.

ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...

I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....

never underestimate the power of denial

Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?

If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.

I would go to 82games.com if they started analyzing this year's data because I'm 99 percent certain I could give you that quantifiable empirical evidence you desire oh so much

what I can tell you is that defenses sag on Melo. you don't need to be a rocket scientist or brain surgeon to see that. If you think that extra half second that guys like Brewer get from that extra attention doesn't matter, you are insane

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I should've never created this thread.

Now people think Carmelo gets looks because opposing teams defend role players more lol.

I can't believe some people's views on sports.

The only concern i have is Melo isn't in the top 5 of the teams fg%.

The role players absolutely get great looks.

27/56 thats 48%

That Miami he was mauled like 5 times at the rim do you even watch the games

Like really, he's playing at a high level and gets no credit, the entire team is playing well but it starts with your best player. Take Melo out and put in Gallinari and we're 2-2, maybe

Melo's defense has been absolutely crucial to our success

just stop with the hate its getting old

knickscity wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:Melo shot 10-28 1 game every other game he's efficient

27/56 thats 48%

That Miami he was mauled like 5 times at the rim do you even watch the games

Like really, he's playing at a high level and gets no credit, the entire team is playing well but it starts with your best player. Take Melo out and put in Gallinari and we're 2-2, maybe

Melo's defense has been absolutely crucial to our success

just stop with the hate its getting old

That doesn't look right, I refuse to think he only took 28 shots the rest of the series.

I know that isn't right, and the % is waaaay off.

I'm talking about this year, TKF's reference to his 10/28 game

3G4G wrote:

knickscity wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I should've never created this thread.

Now people think Carmelo gets looks because opposing teams defend role players more lol.

I can't believe some people's views on sports.

The only concern i have is Melo isn't in the top 5 of the teams fg%.

The role players absolutely get great looks.

LMAO @ fans defying +/- stats....Look when Melo is on the bench the team is still doing well

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22012&split=1&team=Knicks

Check out all the player combinations and you'll see plenty of lineups in the positive on with +/-

the highest plus minus after the starting 5 is 8, Melo is is also in our top +/- as well as a +39 in his 112 minutes on the floor

next excuse please

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

He's getting alot of help, his presence is partly responsible, but he isn't doing it alone.

Melo's stat actually aren't better than any of his career, some parts are worse.

knickscity wrote:If it ended today Durant would win it.

Melo's stat actually aren't better than any of his career, some parts are worse.

Durant would what?????