mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:So we complain when nets talk junk or give a compliment.

Nalod, we really need to worry about the Nets! They are selling crazy numbers in merchandise. The real estate around the Barclay Center is skyrocketing, the Nets are building a competitive team ...

I personally love it!

I just have a hard time believing the hype, I don't think this team is anywhere near the hype that there getting..

There basically saying the nets will win 25 more games then they did last year by adding JJ and a few other minor parts..

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:So we complain when nets talk junk or give a compliment.

Nalod, we really need to worry about the Nets! They are selling crazy numbers in merchandise. The real estate around the Barclay Center is skyrocketing, the Nets are building a competitive team ...

I personally love it!

I also think it is a great thing......and not because I like the nets, but the competition.. hopefully it lights a fire under msg.. and the Nets are now a NY team... so great, have two good teams in NY.. nothing wrong with that.

GustavBahler wrote:One thing you have to factor in with the Nets is how long they will listen to Avery Johnson. He's like Scott Skiles, you love his passion and enthusiasm but after a while that hypo manic coaching style starts to wear players out.

Agreed. I think he is a terrible coach

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:LoL @ certain people on this board bashing anyone that does not think Lin is a "Gift" including Deron...

Lol @

- certain people on this board determined to knock the kid down at every opportunity. what their motivation is i have no idea. the kid was the most fun thing we've had as knicks fans since how long. if he's not with the team anymore than why not wish him good luck and leave it at that vs. feeling the need to **** on him every chance.

- certain people on this board who KNOW what he will or won't become.

I don't know if he'll be able to play at an NBA starter's level over 82 games. I hope he does though. If he fails it might feel food for certain people to say "see i told you he sucks!"

Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

Look like my comment hit home with you. A bit defensive are you?!?!

I haven't actually posted anything on this board trying to slam Deron Williams. You didn't really address any of the questions I had.

1. Why do you feel the need to act like you know what this kid is going to become? Other than a handful of people on this board (like Briggs) no one saw this kid coming. Do you have some type of statistical model projecting him to be a bust? Do you have a history of making accurate calls on 1st or 2nd year players and projecting what they'll become consistently?

If not, then I am confused as to where all the certainty about what Lin will become is coming from. The same applies to those who are certain he'll be the next Chris Paul or whatever.

2. Other than the 'I told you so!' factor, why, as a Knicks fan, would you be actively rooting for this guy to fail? I just don't get it.

It make about as much sense to me as people who believe in Lin actively rooting for Felton to fall flat on his face this season.

For the record I think Felton is on a mission and will have a bounce back season.

Well ... as (knicks) fans, don't we all have the right to hope an opposing player fails? Especially one the we might have stupidly let walk?

I hate to say it but I hope he sux so that it bothers me less.

Why aren't you more upset at the incompetent organization who let him walk for nothing? Why not be indifferent to what happens to Lin in Houston, he did no wrong to the organization. He went and negotiated a deal like any other player.

He wasn't saying things in the media like Batum and Eric Gordon telling their teams not to match or that they hope they don't match. He said he wanted to remain a Knick.

This internal personal satisfaction stuff is kind of disturbing when you look at it front and center.

Disturbing? You can choose to be any type of fan you want. If you are dopey and get disturbed by other fans positions and how they "deal" with things, then it is probably you who is disturbed. No offense man - it's just sports!

I am upset at the organization and do find them to be incompetent at times.

Lin was no saint here though IMHO. I think he cares a bit too much about fame. Hey, its just my opinion so don't freak out.

Anyway, Lin is playing with the enemy now and I would like him to fail!!

Actually he doesn't here's what he said about the Harden trade....

Lin is happy to have him aboard.

"He's always been an efficient, easy player to play with," Lin said. "The way he plays, the style he plays is very in tune with what we're trying to do."

and

If nothing else, the arrival of Harden will deflect some of the attention away from Lin, on the court and off it.

"We'll see how everything plays out," Lin said. "It'll be dispersed a little more."

I think the overhyping of his play last year has caused an overall warped idea of who and what he is. Positively and Negatively. Try and find some balance instead of boxing a player in based on an agenda

It might be a good idea to take some of your own advice. There is not balance in your posts when you speak of the Knicks esp Melo. Your posts about the Knicks stink of agenda and you certainly have players that you dislike in a box...

Touche

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:Well, I am not praying or hoping for Lin to fail. I think he will do like 15 ppg and 7 assists with bad %'s and high to. That is not bad nor great nor a gift. He is a decent young player with potential. I just don't get all the outrage that arose when the Knicks decided to sign Felton who will put up similar #'s for substantially less money.

Really? It's all pretty understandable given the circumstances.

If the Knicks had to deal with the disaster that was Toney Douglas all season and then we decided to bring in Felton and Kidd, I think the reaction would have been mostly positive by those who took the time to look at Felton last season: Disastrous, fat, start followed by player mutiny followed by a pretty damn good 2nd half once he was in shape and McMillan was gone.

But we've passed over COUNTLESS good young PGs in an era where it seems like solid YOUNG starting PGs full of potential are growing on trees (Lawson, Rondo, Curry, Jennings, Jrue, Rubio, etc)

We finally get one due to some pretty shrewd maneuvering only to see him walk away under bewildering circumstances where no one really knows what the F happened. One minute Kidd is being brought into to teach our rough project the ways of the true Jedi The next...??

Lin was the high risk high reward sexy option with the Rudy story that a lot of fans wanted a chance to see develop. After 3 years in a best case scenario we have tons of cap space and Lin/Shump in the backcourt and 50,000 threads on whether they'll stay or bolt.

In a worst case scenario we're stuck with a media hyped flash in the pan at PG and forced to play a declining Kidd more than he can handle.

Given the 3 year window maybe bringing a veteran with a track record who doesn't need to learn on the fly was the better move. We shall see.

But is it not understandable that Knicks fans want to let a player develop? Ideally we would've drafted him like Shump and get that nice rookie contract window where for once in god knows how long the Knicks actually have an UNDERPAID player. (ex: Kyrie Irving at $5M baby!)

The KNicks did not pass over Curry or Rubio. They would have gladly drafted them if they were available but they were not.

we got Jordan Hill.

We could have had them in theory had we made the Wizard trade. We didn't want to give up Chandler in the process and take on Salary from their team as it would have hampered the 2010 2 Max Cats plan.

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:Well, I am not praying or hoping for Lin to fail. I think he will do like 15 ppg and 7 assists with bad %'s and high to. That is not bad nor great nor a gift. He is a decent young player with potential. I just don't get all the outrage that arose when the Knicks decided to sign Felton who will put up similar #'s for substantially less money.

Really? It's all pretty understandable given the circumstances.

If the Knicks had to deal with the disaster that was Toney Douglas all season and then we decided to bring in Felton and Kidd, I think the reaction would have been mostly positive by those who took the time to look at Felton last season: Disastrous, fat, start followed by player mutiny followed by a pretty damn good 2nd half once he was in shape and McMillan was gone.

But we've passed over COUNTLESS good young PGs in an era where it seems like solid YOUNG starting PGs full of potential are growing on trees (Lawson, Rondo, Curry, Jennings, Jrue, Rubio, etc)

We finally get one due to some pretty shrewd maneuvering only to see him walk away under bewildering circumstances where no one really knows what the F happened. One minute Kidd is being brought into to teach our rough project the ways of the true Jedi The next...??

Lin was the high risk high reward sexy option with the Rudy story that a lot of fans wanted a chance to see develop. After 3 years in a best case scenario we have tons of cap space and Lin/Shump in the backcourt and 50,000 threads on whether they'll stay or bolt.

In a worst case scenario we're stuck with a media hyped flash in the pan at PG and forced to play a declining Kidd more than he can handle.

Given the 3 year window maybe bringing a veteran with a track record who doesn't need to learn on the fly was the better move. We shall see.

But is it not understandable that Knicks fans want to let a player develop? Ideally we would've drafted him like Shump and get that nice rookie contract window where for once in god knows how long the Knicks actually have an UNDERPAID player. (ex: Kyrie Irving at $5M baby!)

The KNicks did not pass over Curry or Rubio. They would have gladly drafted them if they were available but they were not.

we got Jordan Hill.

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:Well, I am not praying or hoping for Lin to fail. I think he will do like 15 ppg and 7 assists with bad %'s and high to. That is not bad nor great nor a gift. He is a decent young player with potential. I just don't get all the outrage that arose when the Knicks decided to sign Felton who will put up similar #'s for substantially less money.

Really? It's all pretty understandable given the circumstances.

If the Knicks had to deal with the disaster that was Toney Douglas all season and then we decided to bring in Felton and Kidd, I think the reaction would have been mostly positive by those who took the time to look at Felton last season: Disastrous, fat, start followed by player mutiny followed by a pretty damn good 2nd half once he was in shape and McMillan was gone.

But we've passed over COUNTLESS good young PGs in an era where it seems like solid YOUNG starting PGs full of potential are growing on trees (Lawson, Rondo, Curry, Jennings, Jrue, Rubio, etc)

We finally get one due to some pretty shrewd maneuvering only to see him walk away under bewildering circumstances where no one really knows what the F happened. One minute Kidd is being brought into to teach our rough project the ways of the true Jedi The next...??

Lin was the high risk high reward sexy option with the Rudy story that a lot of fans wanted a chance to see develop. After 3 years in a best case scenario we have tons of cap space and Lin/Shump in the backcourt and 50,000 threads on whether they'll stay or bolt.

In a worst case scenario we're stuck with a media hyped flash in the pan at PG and forced to play a declining Kidd more than he can handle.

Given the 3 year window maybe bringing a veteran with a track record who doesn't need to learn on the fly was the better move. We shall see.

But is it not understandable that Knicks fans want to let a player develop? Ideally we would've drafted him like Shump and get that nice rookie contract window where for once in god knows how long the Knicks actually have an UNDERPAID player. (ex: Kyrie Irving at $5M baby!)

The KNicks did not pass over Curry or Rubio. They would have gladly drafted them if they were available but they were not.

we got Jordan Hill.

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:Well, I am not praying or hoping for Lin to fail. I think he will do like 15 ppg and 7 assists with bad %'s and high to. That is not bad nor great nor a gift. He is a decent young player with potential. I just don't get all the outrage that arose when the Knicks decided to sign Felton who will put up similar #'s for substantially less money.

Really? It's all pretty understandable given the circumstances.

If the Knicks had to deal with the disaster that was Toney Douglas all season and then we decided to bring in Felton and Kidd, I think the reaction would have been mostly positive by those who took the time to look at Felton last season: Disastrous, fat, start followed by player mutiny followed by a pretty damn good 2nd half once he was in shape and McMillan was gone.

But we've passed over COUNTLESS good young PGs in an era where it seems like solid YOUNG starting PGs full of potential are growing on trees (Lawson, Rondo, Curry, Jennings, Jrue, Rubio, etc)

We finally get one due to some pretty shrewd maneuvering only to see him walk away under bewildering circumstances where no one really knows what the F happened. One minute Kidd is being brought into to teach our rough project the ways of the true Jedi The next...??

Lin was the high risk high reward sexy option with the Rudy story that a lot of fans wanted a chance to see develop. After 3 years in a best case scenario we have tons of cap space and Lin/Shump in the backcourt and 50,000 threads on whether they'll stay or bolt.

In a worst case scenario we're stuck with a media hyped flash in the pan at PG and forced to play a declining Kidd more than he can handle.

Given the 3 year window maybe bringing a veteran with a track record who doesn't need to learn on the fly was the better move. We shall see.

But is it not understandable that Knicks fans want to let a player develop? Ideally we would've drafted him like Shump and get that nice rookie contract window where for once in god knows how long the Knicks actually have an UNDERPAID player. (ex: Kyrie Irving at $5M baby!)

The KNicks did not pass over Curry or Rubio. They would have gladly drafted them if they were available but they were not.

we got Jordan Hill.

We could have had them in theory had we made the Wizard trade. We didn't want to give up Chandler in the process and take on Salary from their team as it would have hampered the 2010 2 Max Cats plan.

I do not recall this.

You said "I remember everything" well I guess not...

Washington Wizard Were Interested in Wilson Chandler

The New York Knicks are currently discussing a blockbuster draft trade with the Washington Wizards. Rumors have swirled that the Knicks would acquire the Wizards' fifth pick and while being able to keep the No. 8 pick as well.

The Knicks covet Stephen Curry and there is no guarantee he will be there at eight. Wilson Chandler, would likely be involved in the deal as he has showed his potential last season. The 6′8″ swing-man had a breakout season averaging 14.4 points, 5.4 rebounds and 0.9 blocks. Chandler is just 22 years old and is under contract for the next three seasons.

However, the Knicks would rather trade ex-Wizard players Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries. This past season the Wiz tried to trade for Hughes, then on the Bulls, for Mike James and Etan Thomas.

They also inquired about Jeffries during the trade deadline. However, moving Jeffries will be difficult since he is owed $13.2 million dollars over the next two seasons.

Hughes was productive in Washington averaging a career best 22 points during the 2004-05 season. The team made the second round of the playoffs that season and again would form a formidable back court with Gilbert Arenas. Hughes has one year left on his contract and is making a team high $13.6 million.

James and Thomas have expiring contracts that total $13.7 million for next season. The two players would provide the Knicks with shooting, rebounding and size. If the Knicks are targeting Arizona F Jordan Hill with the eighth pick then they should look into acquiring C Brendan Haywood instead of Thomas.

If the Knicks draft Hill, it would allow the Knicks to trade David Lee. Haywood also has an expiring contract and will make $6 million next season. The seven-footer is a season removed from setting career highs in points, rebounds and blocks.

Possible scenarios:

1. Peter Vecsey writes the Knicks can trade for the fifth pick and parlay the pick with No. 8 for No. 2 (Knicks could draft Hasheem Thabeet or Ricky Rubio here).

2. With two picks in the top eight picks, the team could draft a combination of Stephen Curry and Jordan Hill/Jrue Holliday/Tyreke Evans/Johnny Flynn. However, this all changes if Rubio slips to five.

3. These trades do not happen and the Knicks draft the best available player at eight.

There were reports that followed stating they wanted us to take Songalia who had an extra year on his deal past Jeffries. At the time some Knick fans were demanding we trade Chandler and 2010 expirings while getting Butler and 5.....lulz

I remember this vividly because the Harry Potter and Peter Pan hype were at unconscious levels at the time.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:Well, I am not praying or hoping for Lin to fail. I think he will do like 15 ppg and 7 assists with bad %'s and high to. That is not bad nor great nor a gift. He is a decent young player with potential. I just don't get all the outrage that arose when the Knicks decided to sign Felton who will put up similar #'s for substantially less money.

Really? It's all pretty understandable given the circumstances.

If the Knicks had to deal with the disaster that was Toney Douglas all season and then we decided to bring in Felton and Kidd, I think the reaction would have been mostly positive by those who took the time to look at Felton last season: Disastrous, fat, start followed by player mutiny followed by a pretty damn good 2nd half once he was in shape and McMillan was gone.

But we've passed over COUNTLESS good young PGs in an era where it seems like solid YOUNG starting PGs full of potential are growing on trees (Lawson, Rondo, Curry, Jennings, Jrue, Rubio, etc)

We finally get one due to some pretty shrewd maneuvering only to see him walk away under bewildering circumstances where no one really knows what the F happened. One minute Kidd is being brought into to teach our rough project the ways of the true Jedi The next...??

Lin was the high risk high reward sexy option with the Rudy story that a lot of fans wanted a chance to see develop. After 3 years in a best case scenario we have tons of cap space and Lin/Shump in the backcourt and 50,000 threads on whether they'll stay or bolt.

In a worst case scenario we're stuck with a media hyped flash in the pan at PG and forced to play a declining Kidd more than he can handle.

Given the 3 year window maybe bringing a veteran with a track record who doesn't need to learn on the fly was the better move. We shall see.

But is it not understandable that Knicks fans want to let a player develop? Ideally we would've drafted him like Shump and get that nice rookie contract window where for once in god knows how long the Knicks actually have an UNDERPAID player. (ex: Kyrie Irving at $5M baby!)

The KNicks did not pass over Curry or Rubio. They would have gladly drafted them if they were available but they were not.

we got Jordan Hill.

We could have had them in theory had we made the Wizard trade. We didn't want to give up Chandler in the process and take on Salary from their team as it would have hampered the 2010 2 Max Cats plan.

I do not recall this.

You said "I remember everything" well I guess not...

Washington Wizard Were Interested in Wilson Chandler

The New York Knicks are currently discussing a blockbuster draft trade with the Washington Wizards. Rumors have swirled that the Knicks would acquire the Wizards' fifth pick and while being able to keep the No. 8 pick as well.

The Knicks covet Stephen Curry and there is no guarantee he will be there at eight. Wilson Chandler, would likely be involved in the deal as he has showed his potential last season. The 6′8″ swing-man had a breakout season averaging 14.4 points, 5.4 rebounds and 0.9 blocks. Chandler is just 22 years old and is under contract for the next three seasons.

However, the Knicks would rather trade ex-Wizard players Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries. This past season the Wiz tried to trade for Hughes, then on the Bulls, for Mike James and Etan Thomas.

They also inquired about Jeffries during the trade deadline. However, moving Jeffries will be difficult since he is owed $13.2 million dollars over the next two seasons.

Hughes was productive in Washington averaging a career best 22 points during the 2004-05 season. The team made the second round of the playoffs that season and again would form a formidable back court with Gilbert Arenas. Hughes has one year left on his contract and is making a team high $13.6 million.

James and Thomas have expiring contracts that total $13.7 million for next season. The two players would provide the Knicks with shooting, rebounding and size. If the Knicks are targeting Arizona F Jordan Hill with the eighth pick then they should look into acquiring C Brendan Haywood instead of Thomas.

If the Knicks draft Hill, it would allow the Knicks to trade David Lee. Haywood also has an expiring contract and will make $6 million next season. The seven-footer is a season removed from setting career highs in points, rebounds and blocks.

Possible scenarios:

1. Peter Vecsey writes the Knicks can trade for the fifth pick and parlay the pick with No. 8 for No. 2 (Knicks could draft Hasheem Thabeet or Ricky Rubio here).

2. With two picks in the top eight picks, the team could draft a combination of Stephen Curry and Jordan Hill/Jrue Holliday/Tyreke Evans/Johnny Flynn. However, this all changes if Rubio slips to five.

3. These trades do not happen and the Knicks draft the best available player at eight.

There were reports that followed stating they wanted us to take Songalia who had an extra year on his deal past Jeffries. At the time some Knick fans were demanding we trade Chandler and 2010 expirings while getting Butler and 5.....lulz

I remember this vividly because the Harry Potter and Peter Pan hype were at unconscious levels at the time.

Totally forgot all of that. The only thing I would say is that there are a ton of trade rumors around draft time.

This one was legit though Grunny confirmed discussions but said they were looking at other options. That they did because this happened

The Washington Wizards are close to a deal that would send the No. 5 pick in Thursday's draft, Oleksiy Pecherov, Etan Thomas and Darius Songaila to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, a league source told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher on Tuesday.

The Wizards were looking to dump salary and we wouldn't oblige

I remember this too because everyone was pissed off at this GM as Kahn memes ran rampant

You also recall the draft prior to where we passed on a trade with the Grizzlies where we could have got Love or Mayo but we didn't want to give up Lee and our pick?

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

NUPE wrote:Well, I am not praying or hoping for Lin to fail. I think he will do like 15 ppg and 7 assists with bad %'s and high to. That is not bad nor great nor a gift. He is a decent young player with potential. I just don't get all the outrage that arose when the Knicks decided to sign Felton who will put up similar #'s for substantially less money.

Really? It's all pretty understandable given the circumstances.

If the Knicks had to deal with the disaster that was Toney Douglas all season and then we decided to bring in Felton and Kidd, I think the reaction would have been mostly positive by those who took the time to look at Felton last season: Disastrous, fat, start followed by player mutiny followed by a pretty damn good 2nd half once he was in shape and McMillan was gone.

But we've passed over COUNTLESS good young PGs in an era where it seems like solid YOUNG starting PGs full of potential are growing on trees (Lawson, Rondo, Curry, Jennings, Jrue, Rubio, etc)

We finally get one due to some pretty shrewd maneuvering only to see him walk away under bewildering circumstances where no one really knows what the F happened. One minute Kidd is being brought into to teach our rough project the ways of the true Jedi The next...??

Lin was the high risk high reward sexy option with the Rudy story that a lot of fans wanted a chance to see develop. After 3 years in a best case scenario we have tons of cap space and Lin/Shump in the backcourt and 50,000 threads on whether they'll stay or bolt.

In a worst case scenario we're stuck with a media hyped flash in the pan at PG and forced to play a declining Kidd more than he can handle.

Given the 3 year window maybe bringing a veteran with a track record who doesn't need to learn on the fly was the better move. We shall see.

But is it not understandable that Knicks fans want to let a player develop? Ideally we would've drafted him like Shump and get that nice rookie contract window where for once in god knows how long the Knicks actually have an UNDERPAID player. (ex: Kyrie Irving at $5M baby!)

The KNicks did not pass over Curry or Rubio. They would have gladly drafted them if they were available but they were not.

we got Jordan Hill.

We could have had them in theory had we made the Wizard trade. We didn't want to give up Chandler in the process and take on Salary from their team as it would have hampered the 2010 2 Max Cats plan.

I do not recall this.

You said "I remember everything" well I guess not...

Washington Wizard Were Interested in Wilson Chandler

The New York Knicks are currently discussing a blockbuster draft trade with the Washington Wizards. Rumors have swirled that the Knicks would acquire the Wizards' fifth pick and while being able to keep the No. 8 pick as well.

The Knicks covet Stephen Curry and there is no guarantee he will be there at eight. Wilson Chandler, would likely be involved in the deal as he has showed his potential last season. The 6′8″ swing-man had a breakout season averaging 14.4 points, 5.4 rebounds and 0.9 blocks. Chandler is just 22 years old and is under contract for the next three seasons.

However, the Knicks would rather trade ex-Wizard players Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries. This past season the Wiz tried to trade for Hughes, then on the Bulls, for Mike James and Etan Thomas.

They also inquired about Jeffries during the trade deadline. However, moving Jeffries will be difficult since he is owed $13.2 million dollars over the next two seasons.

Hughes was productive in Washington averaging a career best 22 points during the 2004-05 season. The team made the second round of the playoffs that season and again would form a formidable back court with Gilbert Arenas. Hughes has one year left on his contract and is making a team high $13.6 million.

James and Thomas have expiring contracts that total $13.7 million for next season. The two players would provide the Knicks with shooting, rebounding and size. If the Knicks are targeting Arizona F Jordan Hill with the eighth pick then they should look into acquiring C Brendan Haywood instead of Thomas.

If the Knicks draft Hill, it would allow the Knicks to trade David Lee. Haywood also has an expiring contract and will make $6 million next season. The seven-footer is a season removed from setting career highs in points, rebounds and blocks.

Possible scenarios:

1. Peter Vecsey writes the Knicks can trade for the fifth pick and parlay the pick with No. 8 for No. 2 (Knicks could draft Hasheem Thabeet or Ricky Rubio here).

2. With two picks in the top eight picks, the team could draft a combination of Stephen Curry and Jordan Hill/Jrue Holliday/Tyreke Evans/Johnny Flynn. However, this all changes if Rubio slips to five.

3. These trades do not happen and the Knicks draft the best available player at eight.

There were reports that followed stating they wanted us to take Songalia who had an extra year on his deal past Jeffries. At the time some Knick fans were demanding we trade Chandler and 2010 expirings while getting Butler and 5.....lulz

I remember this vividly because the Harry Potter and Peter Pan hype were at unconscious levels at the time.

Totally forgot all of that. The only thing I would say is that there are a ton of trade rumors around draft time.

This one was legit though Grunny confirmed discussions but said they were looking at other options. That they did because this happened

The Washington Wizards are close to a deal that would send the No. 5 pick in Thursday's draft, Oleksiy Pecherov, Etan Thomas and Darius Songaila to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, a league source told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher on Tuesday.

The Wizards were looking to dump salary and we wouldn't oblige

I remember this too because everyone was pissed off at this GM as Kahn memes ran rampant

You also recall the draft prior to where we passed on a trade with the Grizzlies where we could have got Love or Mayo but we didn't want to give up Lee and our pick?

I think guys were pissed at Kahn because he took two points back to back. Rubio and Flynn. There was a time where Kahn seemed to want to foil Walsh at every turn whether it benefitted his team or not. Rubio was the right pick but two points when you have 5 and 6 doesn't make sense. Imagine if he took Steph.

Fans were pissed prior to because we wanted to trade with him but he made some comment along the lines of although he worked under Walsh he wasn't going to give him some sweetheart deal....

Nellie ended up hammering the last nail in coffin in that draft, although I was vouching for Lawson if we wanted a point guard.