KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

Did Miami have exceptional post play or guard play in the sense that you are refering to??...No is the answer..

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

Did Miami have exceptional post play or guard play in the sense that you are refering to??...No is the answer..

Lebron essentially playing PG and Wade at the 2 is not exceptional? If not, I have no idea what is.

VCoug wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

Did Miami have exceptional post play or guard play in the sense that you are refering to??...No is the answer..

Lebron essentially playing PG and Wade at the 2 is not exceptional? If not, I have no idea what is.

Lebron played more of a point forward position than point guard.

Semantics in this case.

Point Forward with Wade as the 2.

And its freakin Lebron James!! Hardly a good argument to say the least.

mrKnickShot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

Did Miami have exceptional post play or guard play in the sense that you are refering to??...No is the answer..

Lebron essentially playing PG and Wade at the 2 is not exceptional? If not, I have no idea what is.

Lebron played more of a point forward position than point guard.

Semantics in this case.

Point Forward with Wade as the 2.

And its freakin Lebron James!! Hardly a good argument to say the least.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off like I was disagreeing with you. I just wanted to show that between Wade and Lebron in the back court and Bosh and Lebron in the front court the Heat were getting plenty of great guard and post play.

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

Did Miami have exceptional post play or guard play in the sense that you are refering to??...No is the answer..

Lebron essentially playing PG and Wade at the 2 is not exceptional? If not, I have no idea what is.

Yes he is essentially playing the role of a PG but not a very good PG in the ilk of a Chris Paul and Steve Nash that you are referring to in many of your conversations...You can get the same type of ball distribution from a normal PG...I wouldn't call it exceptional, no...Are you saying that LeBron is running his offense like Chris Pual or Nash???

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

Did Miami have exceptional post play or guard play in the sense that you are refering to??...No is the answer..

Lebron essentially playing PG and Wade at the 2 is not exceptional? If not, I have no idea what is.

Yes he is essentially playing the role of a PG but not a very good PG in the ilk of a Chris Paul and Steve Nash that you are referring to in many of your conversations...You can get the same type of ball distribution from a normal PG...I wouldn't call it exceptional, no...Are you saying that LeBron is running his offense like Chris Pual or Nash???

No I'm not saying that - but neither did MJ and he was not that bad. You need someone who can create for others. Lebron is as good at that as anyone.

As I said, the knicks don't have a top notch creator or a top notch post player. Melo is a scorer and a pretty good one but that is far from enough.

Please don't give me Felton because he is mid tier at best. Awful shot selection and not my type of PG.

Kobe had Shaq and Gasol in the post. Pierce has Rondo and KG. Wade has Lebron and Lebron has Wade - Lebron is in a different league and there is no comparison.

SA has Parker, Ginobli and Duncan is not too bad in the post.

Yes. I have said it many times, we either need a top flight PG or a solid post player (or both). Or, a player like Lebron would be ok too.

I think Durant has a bit of the same problem though he is surrounded by more talent. Westbrook is not the right type of PG and they don't have a post player. I don't think they can get to the next level this way.

VCoug wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

Who's talking about pick and roll? I said a premier point guard, some one that can allow Melo and Stat to play effectively without having to force shots. Which I don't think we currently have.

We certainly don't and that's (mainly) because of the flexibility we gave up by signing Tyson. I hate Feltons shot selection.

To win, you either need exceptional post play or exceptional guard play (or both). We have none.

Did Miami have exceptional post play or guard play in the sense that you are refering to??...No is the answer..

Lebron essentially playing PG and Wade at the 2 is not exceptional? If not, I have no idea what is.

Lebron played more of a point forward position than point guard.

Semantics in this case.

Point Forward with Wade as the 2.

And its freakin Lebron James!! Hardly a good argument to say the least.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off like I was disagreeing with you. I just wanted to show that between Wade and Lebron in the back court and Bosh and Lebron in the front court the Heat were getting plenty of great guard and post play.

NP.

Great guard play - yes. I would not call Bosh a great post player.

We need our shooting guards to get healthy and our vet bigs to get on the floor. It looks like if we can get all of those guys in the mix and healthy they should allow this team to be a really tough defensive team. Almost all of you guys have clamored for this team to be strong defensively over the years and so this is what you get now. An ugly offensive team with a lot of defensive talent. Anyway you slice it, this team is BETTER than last years team and that team was an above .500 team, so why is everyone panicking?

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

C'mon! The Utah Jazz? How close did they come to beating the great MJ?

How do you think they'd do today?

Their PnR was incredible.

How close was it...They won two games...I guess closer than OKC last year...

1990/91: Swept the Knicks in 3, &^ers in 5, won 4 straight against the Pistons, won 4 straight to beat the Lakers in 5.
1991/92: Knicks in 7, Cavs in 6, Portland in 6
92/93: Swept Atlanta in 3, Swept the Cavs, Beat Knicks in 6 after losing first 2
I could go on

All teams who don't force a game 7 "only" win 2 games in a 7 game series.

If you're going to judge the merits of a player/coach/system based on whether they beat MJ's Bulls then every system is not a championship system.

OK thanks for the stats...But who is judging a system based on whether or not they beat the Bulls?..I don't recall ever bringing up the Bulls at all..The broader point which will be missed by most here and obviously by you is the is that MrKnickShot has been saying OKC had not accomplished anything because they lost to the Heat like we did 4-1...He is now saying that Utah is was incredible, they almost BEAT the Bulls in the finals losing 4-2...Where is the consistency??..But my original comment was that defense wins Championships, pick and role master rarely wins Championships...Do you have any stats to dispute my assessment???

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

MS wrote:Walsh made one big miss at the point guard spot (Jennings, Lawson Holiday)for Hill

He made several strong pics (Douglas, Fields, Shumpert, Harrleson) for where they were positioned

One great signing Mozgov at 3MM is great value

Amare was a miss, but Mike D played him major minutes, perhaps they should have allowed Crawford and Zach to play themselves into more value. But there was at least that ability to make some moves left.

My problem is this. Let's just say we kept the team we had and currently have Crawford-Shumpert-Gallo-Zach-Lee-Chandler-Douglas does that team beat this one? I think the answer is yes. Either way we are likely a one and done, but don't sell a plan, **** up the plan and then expect fans to buy into the fact that we have put together a good team. The Celtics managed to get a number of good players in the draft and free agency and get younger. The Nets are a better team than the Knicks as are the Sixers and Pacers. So that puts us in the 5th slot and that's not even in stone.

He also signed Felton to a two year deal and probably would have kept a pick/young player from the Melo trade that he could use in future trades.
That’s the difference between Walsh and Dolan, Walsh always had a plan B in case plan A didn’t work, Dolan has no plan and this is why he is giving out 3 year contract to 39 years old players.

[b]Walsh got raked over the coals in the McGrady trade so I am not sure if he could have kept a pick. Maybe he keeps Moz but I think the first round pick was going to Denver.[/b]

He publicly commented trade remorse on the MrGrady deal

And by keeping Mozgov, the Knicks may have kept Billups and his expiring contract (instead of waving him for Chandler ) and use the cap space on a premier point guard instead, since our center position would have being in some ways cover and less of a need at that point.

Absolutely. He was a throw in that was completely unexpected. He is at least a big body.

Gentlemen..It was a good thing that MDA and the need for an elite PG is no longer here...Defense wins Championships...Pick and roll masters rarely do..Ask the Utah Jazz...

C'mon! The Utah Jazz? How close did they come to beating the great MJ?

How do you think they'd do today?

Their PnR was incredible.

How close was it...They won two games...I guess closer than OKC last year...

1990/91: Swept the Knicks in 3, &^ers in 5, won 4 straight against the Pistons, won 4 straight to beat the Lakers in 5.
1991/92: Knicks in 7, Cavs in 6, Portland in 6
92/93: Swept Atlanta in 3, Swept the Cavs, Beat Knicks in 6 after losing first 2
I could go on

All teams who don't force a game 7 "only" win 2 games in a 7 game series.

If you're going to judge the merits of a player/coach/system based on whether they beat MJ's Bulls then every system is not a championship system.

OK thanks for the stats...But who is judging a system based on whether or not they beat the Bulls?..I don't recall ever bringing up the Bulls at all..The broader point which will be missed by most here and obviously by you is the is that MrKnickShot has been saying OKC had not accomplished anything because they lost to the Heat like we did 4-1...He is now saying that Utah is was incredible, they almost BEAT the Bulls in the finals losing 4-2...Where is the consistency??..But my original comment was that defense wins Championships, pick and role master rarely wins Championships...Do you have any stats to dispute my assessment???

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7276

There you go, those are the stats. Defense is more important than offense but you can't just ignore the offense. They're both very important for any team looking to win a championship.

if defense is more important-- and i agree 100%-- then why do the knicks have not one but two of their most expensive players playing at a mediocre at best level? is that a recipe for success? what was dolan thinking? or was he thinking?