AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Hindsight is 20-20.

Knicks need to make the hard decision. Build around Melo and make everyone available.

With the new salary cap structure the Knicks are dead in the water with Amare's contract.

LOL.. NO!!!!!! can't rebuild around melo.. I say get rid of both he and amare if you can.. melo to atlanta for josh smith...

get what you can for amare...

time to move on!

Dude why do you hate Melo? Seriously. We know he isn't Lebron but dam. You was slurping Gallinari hard and he has done nothing in the league. Gallinari still is crazy inconsistent and still doesn't show up when it counts.

Yet you somehow believe the Knicks would be better with the old team that took us straight to the lottery for years.

there you go.. .when all else fails attack gallo...

and when does it count man? gallo has been in the league all of 4 years... has melo shown up when it counts? has he?

you are defending melo by trying to point out flaws of other players... not a good way to defend your point... If gallo was flawless that wouldn't make me like carmelo anymore, if gallo was a bum, it still wouldn't change how I feel about carmelo.. so why bring him into the argument?

I have stated many times why I don't like carmelo.... no need to repeat it again...

Dude your entitled to your opinion. I'm just asking because your entire posting style changed after the Melo trade.

Carmelo has flaws in his game yes. Thing is we aren't getting Lebron or Durant to replace him.

Do you seriously believe Denver wouldn't trade us back Chandler and Gallinari for Melo? Do you think Memphis wouldn't trade us Gay for Melo. Come on man. Melo is the at worse the 3rd best SF in the NBA.

why would denver do that? they are set for years to come.. it is this constant overrating of melo that is just hilarious.. tell me, why would denver want him back after they have seen first hand 9 years of playoff failure? why?

The guy is prick.. he is a selfish player.. he sabotaged this team, and now that he has what he wants, we have an old team, with no flexibility and no future.. I dislike him because he doesn't make anyone better, yet he refuses to adjust his game.. He is a douchebag... and a douchebag that doesn't at least win, is the most worthless thing I can think of....

Do you think Memphis wouldn't trade us Gay for Melo.

that is the wrong question.. would you have traded everything we did to get melo,to get gay?

they question is? would the clippers trade us chris paul for melo? would the lakers trade us kobe for melo? would the heat trade lebron or wade for melo? would the nets trade us deron for melo? would boston trade us rondo for melo? heck even pierce? would dallas trade us dirk for melo? the answer most likely would be no!

heck I wish we had traded for rudy gay, we would have spent a lot less to get him and probably would be in a much better position right now..

our team assembles a wreck right now, and it all happened as soon as this clown forced his way here..

let me ask you.. are you happy with the way this team is built now? honestly...

However, I do realize you have to give to get. We traded potential for actual production. Look what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul. Look what the lakers gave up for Howard. Regardless of how any one feels about Bynum he is the undusputed 2nd best center in the NBA.

I can imagine us missing out on Melo altogether and being forced to keep praying Gallo and Chandler turn the corner. Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

Getting Melo gave us options and something to build around.

Oh and I can see Gallinari getting traded this year too.

AnubisADL wrote:No, I not happy with the way the team is currently assembled. I wasn't happy with the previous team either.

However, I do realize you have to give to get. We traded potential for actual production. Look what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul. Look what the lakers gave up for Howard. Regardless of how any one feels about Bynum he is the undusputed 2nd best center in the NBA.

I can imagine us missing out on Melo altogether and being forced to keep praying Gallo and Chandler turn the corner. Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

Getting Melo gave us options and something to build around.

Oh and I can see Gallinari getting traded this year too.

paul and Dwight are better players, playing premium positions.. nuff said..

had we missed out on melo, and lord I wish we did, we would have kept on our normal progression, it didn't have to be about gallo or chandler, we had cap space, picks, we could have done a number of things... but make sure it was the right thing to do...

Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

tell me.. what do we have now? how is amare's health now?

Oh and Gallo may be finding his stroke like I said. Last night he was 6-13fg from 3pt range and 9-20 in the game against OKC. His pre-season shooting numbers are pretty decent.

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:No, I not happy with the way the team is currently assembled. I wasn't happy with the previous team either.

However, I do realize you have to give to get. We traded potential for actual production. Look what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul. Look what the lakers gave up for Howard. Regardless of how any one feels about Bynum he is the undusputed 2nd best center in the NBA.

I can imagine us missing out on Melo altogether and being forced to keep praying Gallo and Chandler turn the corner. Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

Getting Melo gave us options and something to build around.

Oh and I can see Gallinari getting traded this year too.

paul and Dwight are better players, playing premium positions.. nuff said..

had we missed out on melo, and lord I wish we did, we would have kept on our normal progression, it didn't have to be about gallo or chandler, we had cap space, picks, we could have done a number of things... but make sure it was the right thing to do...

Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

tell me.. what do we have now? how is amare's health now?

Eric Gordon > Gallinari or Chandler
Lottery pick > Gallinari or Chandler

You act like we gave up real value for Melo. We gave up trash and 2 underperforming prospects for Melo.

Where exactly were we progressing? Last time I checked we were a yearly lottery team. Gallinari was injury prone and so was Chandler.

Let's live in reality man. Reality is Knicks were have been terrible at the draft. Jordan Hill over Jennings comes to mind.

This was the culmination of Walshs plan. Tank for 2 years for the big fish. That failed and we had no picks so into the abyss we went. We were all in when we signed Amare to a 5 yr max deal.

3G4G wrote:Oh and Anubis tell Carmelo to take off The Barry Bonds type body armor under his jersey and on his arms and legs. Did anyone see him the other night against Toronto? It's like dude was preparing for some stunt involving fire, he had like inflammable gear on under his jersey. He's also looks like he's put back on the 12lbs he lost. Interesting Walsh commented about him being in shape. His act is tired, he dresses up for bully ball but cries to the press he doesn't want to play the 4 because it's takes a toll on him night-in and night-out.

Oh and Gallo may be finding his stroke like I said. Last night he was 6-13fg from 3pt range and 9-20 in the game against OKC. His pre-season shooting numbers are pretty decent.

Playing the 4 is stupid for Melo. He can bully opposing SFs with his size. The same doesn't apply for PFs. Plus he would have to guard them on the other end.

Melo is not Lebron.

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:Oh and Anubis tell Carmelo to take off The Barry Bonds type body armor under his jersey and on his arms and legs. Did anyone see him the other night against Toronto? It's like dude was preparing for some stunt involving fire, he had like inflammable gear on under his jersey. He's also looks like he's put back on the 12lbs he lost. Interesting Walsh commented about him being in shape. His act is tired, he dresses up for bully ball but cries to the press he doesn't want to play the 4 because it's takes a toll on him night-in and night-out.

Oh and Gallo may be finding his stroke like I said. Last night he was 6-13fg from 3pt range and 9-20 in the game against OKC. His pre-season shooting numbers are pretty decent.

Gallo finding his stroke?

I think this needs its own topic.

i guess you still find value in FG% in the 3-point era, right?

he has averaged a TS% of above 58 for his career. last night was 59.4%

that stat puts him in the elite of the league-- not someone you trade... unless you are dolan.

HERE is a nice little article on gallo....

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21813760/danilo-gallinari-emerging-nuggets-leader

sigh..... oh well..

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:No, I not happy with the way the team is currently assembled. I wasn't happy with the previous team either.

However, I do realize you have to give to get. We traded potential for actual production. Look what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul. Look what the lakers gave up for Howard. Regardless of how any one feels about Bynum he is the undusputed 2nd best center in the NBA.

I can imagine us missing out on Melo altogether and being forced to keep praying Gallo and Chandler turn the corner. Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

Getting Melo gave us options and something to build around.

Oh and I can see Gallinari getting traded this year too.

paul and Dwight are better players, playing premium positions.. nuff said..

had we missed out on melo, and lord I wish we did, we would have kept on our normal progression, it didn't have to be about gallo or chandler, we had cap space, picks, we could have done a number of things... but make sure it was the right thing to do...

Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

tell me.. what do we have now? how is amare's health now?

Eric Gordon > Gallinari or Chandler
Lottery pick > Gallinari or Chandler

You act like we gave up real value for Melo. We gave up trash and 2 underperforming prospects for Melo.

Where exactly were we progressing? Last time I checked we were a yearly lottery team. Gallinari was injury prone and so was Chandler.

Let's live in reality man. Reality is Knicks were have been terrible at the draft. Jordan Hill over Jennings comes to mind.

This was the culmination of Walshs plan. Tank for 2 years for the big fish. That failed and we had no picks so into the abyss we went. We were all in when we signed Amare to a 5 yr max deal.

Talentwise I would have picked Gordon 1000times out of 10 over Gallo but to be fair he's just as gimpy if not more so than Gallo. Gordon played 8 gms last year and has missed every single Pre-Season game this season

We gave up and/or let go

Gallo....(given up in the Melo deal)
Chandler....(given up in the Melo deal)
Moz....(given up in the Melo deal)
Felton....(given up in the Melo deal)
Curry....(expiring wasted in the Melo deal)
AR....(given up in the Melo deal....you know the lottery pick of 2008 that you say>>>>>>Gallo)
2014....(given up in the Melo deal)
2016....(swap)(given up in the Melo deal)
2012 2nd....(given up in the Melo deal GSW's pick)
2013 2nd....(given up in the Melo deal GSW's pick)
Cash Considerations.....(given up in the Melo deal)
Waived Brewer.....(wasted in the Melo deal)
Jared Jeffries.....(S&T to get Felton)
Kostas.....(traded to get Felton)
Georgio.....(traded to get Felton)
future protected 2nd....(traded to get Felton)
Lin.....(wouldn't match signed Felton)
Tax Hit.....(Felton's additional salary)
Billups....(amnestied for Chandler)

We end up with Felton/Chandler/Melo

It's too bad you want to scale the trade down as if nothing was given up. It's more than obvious you look at things with zero peripheral vision.

28-26 Pre Melo trade 54gms played

42-43 Post Melo trade 85gms played We're actually worse but 2-3gms were eliminated without Melo

Show me the progression of this team since trading for Melo?

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:No, I not happy with the way the team is currently assembled. I wasn't happy with the previous team either.

However, I do realize you have to give to get. We traded potential for actual production. Look what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul. Look what the lakers gave up for Howard. Regardless of how any one feels about Bynum he is the undusputed 2nd best center in the NBA.

I can imagine us missing out on Melo altogether and being forced to keep praying Gallo and Chandler turn the corner. Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

Getting Melo gave us options and something to build around.

Oh and I can see Gallinari getting traded this year too.

paul and Dwight are better players, playing premium positions.. nuff said..

had we missed out on melo, and lord I wish we did, we would have kept on our normal progression, it didn't have to be about gallo or chandler, we had cap space, picks, we could have done a number of things... but make sure it was the right thing to do...

Then we'd would truly have a broken down Amare with ice bags in his knees.

tell me.. what do we have now? how is amare's health now?

Eric Gordon > Gallinari or Chandler
Lottery pick > Gallinari or Chandler

You act like we gave up real value for Melo. We gave up trash and 2 underperforming prospects for Melo.

Where exactly were we progressing? Last time I checked we were a yearly lottery team. Gallinari was injury prone and so was Chandler.

Let's live in reality man. Reality is Knicks were have been terrible at the draft. Jordan Hill over Jennings comes to mind.

This was the culmination of Walshs plan. Tank for 2 years for the big fish. That failed and we had no picks so into the abyss we went. We were all in when we signed Amare to a 5 yr max deal.

Talentwise I would have picked Gordon 1000times out of 10 over Gallo but to be fair he's just as gimpy if not more so than Gallo. Gordon played 8 gms last year and has missed every single Pre-Season game this season

We gave up and/or let go

Gallo....(given up in the Melo deal)
Chandler....(given up in the Melo deal)
Moz....(given up in the Melo deal)
Felton....(given up in the Melo deal)
Curry....(expiring wasted in the Melo deal)
AR....(given up in the Melo deal....you know the lottery pick of 2008 that you say>>>>>>Gallo)
2014....(given up in the Melo deal)
2016....(swap)(given up in the Melo deal)
2012 2nd....(given up in the Melo deal GSW's pick)
2013 2nd....(given up in the Melo deal GSW's pick)
Cash Considerations.....(given up in the Melo deal)
Waived Brewer.....(wasted in the Melo deal)
Jared Jeffries.....(S&T to get Felton)
Kostas.....(traded to get Felton)
Georgio.....(traded to get Felton)
future protected 2nd....(traded to get Felton)
Lin.....(wouldn't match signed Felton)
Tax Hit.....(Felton's additional salary)
Billups....(amnestied for Chandler)

We end up with Felton/Chandler/Melo

It's too bad you want to scale the trade down as if nothing was given up. It's more than obvious you look at things with zero peripheral vision.

3g it is also breathtakingly ridiculous that they want to count off gallo and chandler as "nothing".. I just posted an article on how gallo is emerging as the leader of the nuggets.. a team that has been better than us since he arrived.. a team that is slated to contend in the west.. How that equates to nothing is ridiculous..

and again... saying that gordon is better than gallo proves what? Eric gordon is good!!! LOL..

It is like saying the sixers didn't give up anything in iggy because rudy gay is better than iggy.. LOL. .OK.. rudy gay is very good!

then he ignores that the knicks were 28-26 at the time of the trade, that is progressing since the year before we had a total of 29 wins.. I would call 28 wins with 28 games left, progression.. wouldn't you?

then he points to jordan Hill over Jennings in the draft? yet he leaves out, getting fields in round 2, or even the team favorite shumpert?

the reasoning on this board is mindboggling..

yet I asked him.. after all of this shuffling and getting this so called "star" rofl.. in melo... what has this done for amare?

he is still broken down and declining.. I really don't get his point..

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Gallinari, Elite?

Lulz

to be clear, in terms of scoring efficiency he's up there at the top among non-centers.

that talent alone does not make him an elite player but it does indicate that he is a very valuable player to have on your team, a moneyball type player.

guys like gallo are what I consider "unique talents"... you get that in rondo, even lin to some degree... these are guys who bring things to the table that not many players do at a pretty high level...

No you won't see them holding the ball, jab stepping to the oldies, or smiling after making a basket and his team down double digits...... no, these guys are most likely not superstars in the sense that most see superstars, but they have real value and bring another dimension to teams that not many guys do....