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tkf wrote:This is why Lin isn't here.. and it is sad....

D'Antoni's conflict-averse style allowed the situation to fester. Teammates prodded Anthony to give more effort in practice. "Jeremy is a tough guy," says a source close to the team. "He told Carmelo under no uncertain terms, 'I'm not going to give you the ball unless you create space and run the plays.' None of the other guys had a problem with it. Tyson [Chandler] didn't, Amar'e didn't. They knew they had a better chance with the ball in Lin's hands in the last few minutes."

what a great teamate is carmelo dude is..... LOL.. smdh

look you cant believe everything you read. I mean the point of the media is to stir up **** that most of the time is not even true. Believe me I am critical of melo but this article is nonsense

So we're supposed to believe Anthony was the one to tell D'AnToni to play Lin when Linsanity took flight?

Is this another pick and choose moment according to argumentative circumstance?

Somebody had to tell that stubborn dumbass to put him in.
Fact, Mike D'Antoni was about to waive Lin's ass before the NJ game happened for Mike James which is actually confirmed, not just bullshyt conjecture by a columnist looking for page views or selling magazines:

Instead, with James confirming the speculation Tuesday, the Knicks held onto Lin and "the Lin-sanity happened." James was subsequently signed by the Bulls and re-signed to a 10-day contract Tuesday.

"But you tip your hat to a guy like (Lin)," said James, a ninth-year journeyman who has played three games for a total of 25 minutes and 12 points since first signing with the Bulls to help fill the void after Derrick Rose injured his toe. "He took advantage of his opportunity and when he got on the court, he made the most of his time.

Who is that? The same guy that ran Lin out of town because Linsanity took the spot light away from him and captures the heart of fans from all over the world.

Didn't Carmelo have steak dinner with Lin in LA along with Woodson and Chandler? Guess that's just the MSG progaganda machine at work right?

what does that have to do with anything?

Why would a lowlife flabby coksucker douche bastard of a human being dine with such a saintly athletically gifted sculpted spiritual Buddha blessed zen like transcendant figure like Lin if he was trying to run him out of town?

Because his father figure "WOODY, WOODY, WOODY".. ASKED HIM TO? maybe?

TKF would you have signed lin to that contract considering his small sample size?

hell yes.. I look at it as 25 mil /3 years.. 8.34 mil a year... if all else fails he is a huge expiring in year 3..

let me ask you this.. do you throw away first round lottery picks? how much of a sample size do you have when you draft lets say. .a kyrie irving who didn't even play a full year at duke... yet he is guaranteed to get at least 15-16 mil, if he is a top pick and hasn't played ONE nba game..

with a guy as young as lin, who is pretty much like a rookie.. the "small sample size" argument just doesn't fly here.... you have to count in potential like you do all young players, and you have proof that he can play at a high level on the NBA stage.. and I don't want to hear "oh teams didn't figure him out".. how many guys are doing what he did, and teams have no scouting reports on them at all?

But Kyrie Irving has a left hand, can dribble circles around most PGs, can score at ease, and can shoot 3s at a high clip, and was the NBA rookie of the year....yea that about sums it up.

he wasn't dribbling or winning any rookie of the year awards before he got paid.. so again.. why pay him for no sample size?

C'mon TKF.

Duke? Coach K? Number 1 pick?

vs.

Undrafted, and 25 games against extremely mediocre competition?

I am a Lin fan and it was the most exciting time that I can remember as a sports fan during a regular season. But, you gotta ease with the comparison's.

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:This is why Lin isn't here.. and it is sad....

D'Antoni's conflict-averse style allowed the situation to fester. Teammates prodded Anthony to give more effort in practice. "Jeremy is a tough guy," says a source close to the team. "He told Carmelo under no uncertain terms, 'I'm not going to give you the ball unless you create space and run the plays.' None of the other guys had a problem with it. Tyson [Chandler] didn't, Amar'e didn't. They knew they had a better chance with the ball in Lin's hands in the last few minutes."

what a great teamate is carmelo dude is..... LOL.. smdh

look you cant believe everything you read. I mean the point of the media is to stir up **** that most of the time is not even true. Believe me I am critical of melo but this article is nonsense

So we're supposed to believe Anthony was the one to tell D'AnToni to play Lin when Linsanity took flight?

Is this another pick and choose moment according to argumentative circumstance?

Somebody had to tell that stubborn dumbass to put him in.
Fact, Mike D'Antoni was about to waive Lin's ass before the NJ game happened for Mike James which is actually confirmed, not just bullshyt conjecture by a columnist looking for page views or selling magazines:

Instead, with James confirming the speculation Tuesday, the Knicks held onto Lin and "the Lin-sanity happened." James was subsequently signed by the Bulls and re-signed to a 10-day contract Tuesday.

"But you tip your hat to a guy like (Lin)," said James, a ninth-year journeyman who has played three games for a total of 25 minutes and 12 points since first signing with the Bulls to help fill the void after Derrick Rose injured his toe. "He took advantage of his opportunity and when he got on the court, he made the most of his time.

Who is that? The same guy that ran Lin out of town because Linsanity took the spot light away from him and captures the heart of fans from all over the world.

Didn't Carmelo have steak dinner with Lin in LA along with Woodson and Chandler? Guess that's just the MSG progaganda machine at work right?

what does that have to do with anything?

Why would a lowlife flabby coksucker douche bastard of a human being dine with such a saintly athletically gifted sculpted spiritual Buddha blessed zen like transcendant figure like Lin if he was trying to run him out of town?

Because his father figure "WOODY, WOODY, WOODY".. ASKED HIM TO? maybe?

TKF would you have signed lin to that contract considering his small sample size?

hell yes.. I look at it as 25 mil /3 years.. 8.34 mil a year... if all else fails he is a huge expiring in year 3..

let me ask you this.. do you throw away first round lottery picks? how much of a sample size do you have when you draft lets say. .a kyrie irving who didn't even play a full year at duke... yet he is guaranteed to get at least 15-16 mil, if he is a top pick and hasn't played ONE nba game..

with a guy as young as lin, who is pretty much like a rookie.. the "small sample size" argument just doesn't fly here.... you have to count in potential like you do all young players, and you have proof that he can play at a high level on the NBA stage.. and I don't want to hear "oh teams didn't figure him out".. how many guys are doing what he did, and teams have no scouting reports on them at all?

But Kyrie Irving has a left hand, can dribble circles around most PGs, can score at ease, and can shoot 3s at a high clip, and was the NBA rookie of the year....yea that about sums it up.

he wasn't dribbling or winning any rookie of the year awards before he got paid.. so again.. why pay him for no sample size?

C'mon TKF.

Duke? Coach K? Number 1 pick?

vs.

Undrafted, and 25 games against extremely mediocre competition?

I am a Lin fan and it was the most exciting time that I can remember as a sports fan during a regular season. But, you gotta ease with the comparison's.

Just be glad TKF didn't compare him to Steve Nash.

Lin's not even the next Goran Dragic!

If you buy their rag you get this comic. I wonder which is more fictional.

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:This is why Lin isn't here.. and it is sad....

D'Antoni's conflict-averse style allowed the situation to fester. Teammates prodded Anthony to give more effort in practice. "Jeremy is a tough guy," says a source close to the team. "He told Carmelo under no uncertain terms, 'I'm not going to give you the ball unless you create space and run the plays.' None of the other guys had a problem with it. Tyson [Chandler] didn't, Amar'e didn't. They knew they had a better chance with the ball in Lin's hands in the last few minutes."

what a great teamate is carmelo dude is..... LOL.. smdh

look you cant believe everything you read. I mean the point of the media is to stir up **** that most of the time is not even true. Believe me I am critical of melo but this article is nonsense

So we're supposed to believe Anthony was the one to tell D'AnToni to play Lin when Linsanity took flight?

Is this another pick and choose moment according to argumentative circumstance?

Somebody had to tell that stubborn dumbass to put him in.
Fact, Mike D'Antoni was about to waive Lin's ass before the NJ game happened for Mike James which is actually confirmed, not just bullshyt conjecture by a columnist looking for page views or selling magazines:

Instead, with James confirming the speculation Tuesday, the Knicks held onto Lin and "the Lin-sanity happened." James was subsequently signed by the Bulls and re-signed to a 10-day contract Tuesday.

"But you tip your hat to a guy like (Lin)," said James, a ninth-year journeyman who has played three games for a total of 25 minutes and 12 points since first signing with the Bulls to help fill the void after Derrick Rose injured his toe. "He took advantage of his opportunity and when he got on the court, he made the most of his time.

Who is that? The same guy that ran Lin out of town because Linsanity took the spot light away from him and captures the heart of fans from all over the world.

Didn't Carmelo have steak dinner with Lin in LA along with Woodson and Chandler? Guess that's just the MSG progaganda machine at work right?

what does that have to do with anything?

Why would a lowlife flabby coksucker douche bastard of a human being dine with such a saintly athletically gifted sculpted spiritual Buddha blessed zen like transcendant figure like Lin if he was trying to run him out of town?

Because his father figure "WOODY, WOODY, WOODY".. ASKED HIM TO? maybe?

TKF would you have signed lin to that contract considering his small sample size?

hell yes.. I look at it as 25 mil /3 years.. 8.34 mil a year... if all else fails he is a huge expiring in year 3..

let me ask you this.. do you throw away first round lottery picks? how much of a sample size do you have when you draft lets say. .a kyrie irving who didn't even play a full year at duke... yet he is guaranteed to get at least 15-16 mil, if he is a top pick and hasn't played ONE nba game..

with a guy as young as lin, who is pretty much like a rookie.. the "small sample size" argument just doesn't fly here.... you have to count in potential like you do all young players, and you have proof that he can play at a high level on the NBA stage.. and I don't want to hear "oh teams didn't figure him out".. how many guys are doing what he did, and teams have no scouting reports on them at all?

But Kyrie Irving has a left hand, can dribble circles around most PGs, can score at ease, and can shoot 3s at a high clip, and was the NBA rookie of the year....yea that about sums it up.

he wasn't dribbling or winning any rookie of the year awards before he got paid.. so again.. why pay him for no sample size?

C'mon TKF.

Duke? Coach K? Number 1 pick?

vs.

Undrafted, and 25 games against extremely mediocre competition?

I am a Lin fan and it was the most exciting time that I can remember as a sports fan during a regular season. But, you gotta ease with the comparison's.

Just be glad TKF didn't compare him to Steve Nash.

Lin's not even the next Goran Dragic!

you are missing the point.. duke has had plenty of players that have not panned out..

and mediocre competititon? kobe and dirk and mediocre? LOL.. fail.....

the point is when you draft a player you are paying for potential.. with no NBA games as a guide...

Even the best athletes get caught with their pants down when a flash in the pan or when the moons and stars align. See Tim Tebow, NFL.

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fishmike wrote:from the post:

* While Jeremy Lin is on the cover of GQ, Carmelo Anthony is on the cover of November’s Slam Magazine and now ESPN The Magazine’s NBA preview issue. Anthony probably wasn’t thrilled to hear of Lin’s latest magazine cover, as Anthony’s jealousy of Lin last season has been well-documented. In the preview issue, the dynamic is rehashed, with one new detail: Lin warned Anthony he wouldn’t get the ball if he weren’t open.

“Jeremy is a tough guy,” an anonymous source said. “He told Carmelo under no uncertain terms, ‘I’m not going to give you the ball unless you create space and run the plays.’ None of the other guys had a problem with it. Tyson [Chandler] didn’t, Amar’e [Stoudemire] didn’t. They knew they had a better chance with the ball in Lin’s hands in the last few minutes.” ... As expected, the Knicks exercised their third-year option on Iman Shumpert’s rookie contract. Shumpert was named to the NBA All-Rookie first team last season.

this is what the problem was. Melo says my way or no way. Dude wouldnt even run the play? Wow. Great team guy. Tell us more how your sacrificing again and willing to only get like 25ppg if needed.

Scratch that. What I meant to say is we are lucky to have a guy so talented.

This is the year!

What I dont understand is if Melo was so jealous of Lin and wanted him gone, why did he meet with him (along with Woodson and Tyson) during the offseason to convince him to come BACK to the Knicks???

preemptive damage control

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We'll match up to a....

BILLIN Dollars

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3G, Uptown asked you in another thread if this was an actual quote from Knick Management. I can't remember if it was said or not can you confirm this on either this thread or the other?

I speak from some experience being that I used to be a journalist (no longer, am a teacher now). I wrote for independent music mags; traditional and internet based. I wouldn't be so quick to validate this article just because, for good measure the writer sprinkled the word "Source" through-out and for good measure packaged quotations around quick thoughts. Is there really a "source?" perhaps, but I've witnessed the conjuring-up of articles with imaginary "Sources" in the past and in today's new-age, social media, do anything to stand out in the overcrowded journalistic world, I wouldn't put it past anyone. You also have to question, "Who is the source?" and what agenda does said source have. Since its clear this writer has an agenda, its pretty obvious that the "source" if there is one, shares a similar point of view. And this is how you produce a one-sided argument.

I should use this article in my class tom since we are just beginning to study persuasion

Does Fields think Anthony influenced Lin’s departure?

“I never got that impression when I was there (but) I would value Carmelo’s opinion myself if I was in the organization. He’s a phenomenal player. Top 5 player in the league. I can’t speak for him. If that was the case, he’s definitely a guy to listen to,’’ Fields said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/fields_has_moved_rental_from_knicks_67Xqe7RPqhRHaBmIF6j36O#ixzz29lucv59Q