Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last year most here was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

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biglove44 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Sign On The Dotted Line

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:LOL @ how he says that he wanted to spend his whole career with the Knicks, but he thought that the NYK brass would spend $25M for a 2-year injured player with 2 dozen starts under his belt.

No, no... You made your choice, and we made ours. Good luck in H-Town.

..and Jeremy, please take with you, all those butthurt pseudo-fans who swore off the Knicks when you signed that Rockets offer sheet.

Which begs the ultimate question, if jerem Lin wanted to be with the Knicks for life - why did he sign the Houston Rockets offer sheet in the first place?

All he had to say was, "Glen, here are Houston's first set of numbers, match them and I'm yours, signed, sealed and delivered."

I believe Lin said he notified the Knicks before even signing the offer sheet, and they(Glen) told him to go ahead. The knicks had plenty of time to negotiate with Lin; two weeks had passed before he even signed with the Rockets. They negotiated directly with JR and Novak but they didn't with Lin and told him to find his market value.

If he wouldn't have signed the one offer sheet he got he would have had no contract; the Knicks weren't even negotiating with him.

It's pretty simple, Lin wasn't a part of their 3 year plan.

You have any documentation or links to back up that statement???..Because such an argument would counter the much believed argument that Dolan was pissed he signed the second offer sheet...

Yea Dolan was so pissed that he gave 15 million to Felton, 15 million to Novak, 13 million to Camby, 9 million to Kidd, 1.5 million to Kurt Thomas, sent 2 million to Houston to cover Tony Douglas salary and surrounded 4 second rounder (plus Josh Harrelson) in the process.
WOW that guy Dolan was really pissed.

I think you are misinterpreting the point I'm trying to make...The conventional wisdom is the Lin left because Dolan took his signing with Houston personally, so he decided not to match the offer...If that is true then the fact the Lin was never in the Knicks 3 year plan would blow that argument out of the water...

I understood what you said, however, I never believed that argument, how can Dolan be upset that Lin was getting 25 million from Houston while he was giving away 55 million to other (older and less talented) players in the process?
And the Knicks still will play luxury tax for some of those contracts; personally it doesn’t make any sense. Just my opinion.

Most of those players were already on the roster before Houston upped the third year of Lin's deal...I can find out which players but u know what I'm saying...OK..Let me ask u this...What if Lin didn't want to play for the Knicks??..What then??

That only makes the Knicks look worst, good NBA management first take care of the core guys before signing the role players, unless Lin was not part of the core like they say he was.

Unfortunately we will never know if Lin wanted to stay or not, since the Knicks never gave him the option to return, not before signing the contract with Houston, not after. Had the Knicks presented Lin a low offer at least, they would have looked much better, because Lin does have little NBA experience and is still a little unknown, so maybe the Knicks were not willing to over pay for his service.

The fact that they never showed Lin anything, make the Knicks the sole responsible in this breakup and maybe it’s for the better, personally I don’t think so, but we will find out in the next couple of years.

This have been discussed already..Under the new CBA, the Knick could not have made Lin an offer before another team made their offer..Now I don't know the reason behind it maybe because the money Lin wanted was above the 5 mil per threshold which was the max the Knicks could have offered him outright...But this was already presented in an article and I really don't want to dig it up...I do however maintain if Lin wanted to be here, well...

I think the jist of this is in a tread I created where it said Lin was the dumbest Harvard Grad ever...U can look it up....

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

Shump is a different player...He seems to be on his way to be a better defender than Bowen who can also drive and finish...Bowen wasn't ripping Wade on consecutive plays..Bowen stayed in front him man well...I'm hoping Shump does more than knock down a three from the corner...

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

Shump is a different player...He seems to be on his way to be a better defender than Bowen who can also drive and finish...Bowen wasn't ripping Wade on consecutive plays..Bowen stayed in front him man well...I'm hoping Shump does more than knock down a three from the corner...

Bowen was not a star. We are hoping that Shump will be a lot better than Bowen. However, on offense, Bowen had a niche and Shump does not - at least not yet.

I prefer that a shooting guard be able to shoot and shoot really well - and consistently.

I totally agree with you there...It's one of the major things missing from our offense the last two years with Fields...

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

So you are ready to say that Faried is a better pick than Shrump without seeing how they pan out??...Shrump is a diamond in the ruff, one could argue if done over Shrump is top 5...By the way, selecting a pick a year after they come out of school is way easier than doing it on draft day...